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VG247 Rumor: PS4 > Xbox 720; NowGamer Rumor: Xbox 720 > PS4
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So you're saying there's a chance?
bullshit
max payne 3 maxed out looks better or at least as good as Watch Dogs. I also forgot about its fluid animation, 1313 doesn't look that impressive anymore compared to that. Yeah, they added volumetric lights (Metro 2033, BF3, Planetside 2, Crysis 2-3), so what? Crysis 3 looks insane too and it's out soon.
So no, these games look good but they are essentially beefed up PC versions. Show me Fallout 4 with Max Payne 3 animation quality, God of War polycount on every NPC and Ass Creed town population then I'll be impressed. Until then I see no real improvements.
Reserve that post for E3.
-Pyromaniac-
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wwwyki
But this info don't come from Gaf.
No, it doesn't. Really. Watch dogs has much greater fidelity and it's an open world title.
As soon as I read the part about a blitter it became quite clear that this information came from GAF/B3D.
Sounds bullshit. Currently working? The fuck does that mean? They aren't the ones breaking the NDA.
civilstrife
Member
Not to be a stickler for details, but no it isn't. At least not the version we saw. That was clearly a vertical slice of a game that wasn't anywhere near completion. There's no way that slice contained anything resembling an open world. Make no mistake, what we saw was carefully constructed and constrained. We have no idea if that quality will hold up over an entire city.
ThreeSixty
December 16, 2009. 4:00 AM. THE LIGHT FIELD is the force. The mind. That guides. Controls.
And so the leaks begin. I'm more inclined to believe the VG247 rumour over NowGamer. Something about it just reads as more believable. It could be my subconscious that just wants Xbox 3 to be more powerful than the PS4. It could be the note in the VG247 article stating that Microsoft spent far more on the Xbox 3; and Sony just doesn't have the funds to heavily invest in R&D for the PS4. We all know Sony's financial situation. That statement makes alot of sense. Microsoft's wallet is the largest in the world; whilst Sony's been in the red for years. It would make logical sense that Microsoft would injest vast sums of cash in developing an Xbox successor (just look at how much money they spent on Halo 4). Either rumour could be true. Both rumours could be untrue.
For now I'm going with the VG247 rumour. The NowGamer rumour seems a tad unbelievable. 3 and 4 Teraflops? Isn't that close to super computer processing power? Seems overpowered. I'm not that educated on the subject but I can't see the next generation systems being that powerful. Again, the VG247 report is more believable. The exciting factor we can derive from all of this is that the true leaks should begin soon. I have a feeling we'll be hearing more; much more about the new consoles from Microsoft and Sony in the coming weeks and months. I would have thought that Microsoft would be determined to make their system more powerful than the PS4 given the power advantage that the PS3 had over the 360. We shall see.
For now I'm going with the VG247 rumour. The NowGamer rumour seems a tad unbelievable. 3 and 4 Teraflops? Isn't that close to super computer processing power? Seems overpowered. I'm not that educated on the subject but I can't see the next generation systems being that powerful. Again, the VG247 report is more believable. The exciting factor we can derive from all of this is that the true leaks should begin soon. I have a feeling we'll be hearing more; much more about the new consoles from Microsoft and Sony in the coming weeks and months. I would have thought that Microsoft would be determined to make their system more powerful than the PS4 given the power advantage that the PS3 had over the 360. We shall see.
les papillons sexuels
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this. That "slice" was very much in the same vein as splintercell conviction. A sandbox, yes, but open world, unlikely. In all likelyhood it's running on an updated version of the SCC engine.
The information present in the VG247 article is almost certainly directly ripped off of speculation from here and B3D, the part about the blitter is a dead give away.
Yeah. It is. I saw that demo three times, covering different ground for parts of that demo each time.
have you played it maxed out? Because judging from E3 video polycount in Watch Dogs is on Max Payne level and all other stuff (smooth shadows, IQ, DX11 DOF, high res textures and so on) are present in Max Payne 3. So I see just a cross-gen game, not next-gen game.
Compare vanilla Morrowind and Skyrim. Now that's an upgrade.
I agree about WD being open world though. I wonder how it will look on 360.
specialguy
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Not really. From all I know Durango/Orbis should be "close" despite one having 50% more flops. Dont forget Durango has more RAM apparently, and there's scuttlebutt about some stuff that could make it be more efficient.
Heck as was pointed out on B3D, even 50% more flops likely doesnt translate into anything like 50% more framerate, as you could be limited by countless other things along the way. Like ROPS.
Now the nowgamer article, yeah, seems total bullshit.
Well, ThreeSixty perhaps you do want to believe Xbox 3 is more powerful than PS4
But lets look at a few of your points.
'Sony doesn't have the funds to invest' : yes they are in financial difficulties overall, but PlayStation is a successful product and they will invest what they need to. MS doesn't get a free pass on this. Even though the company makes lots of money, their shareholders will want a return on investment and will not simply write a blank cheque
'Look at how much MS spent on halo 4' : look at how much they didn't spend on many other first party exclusives. They pushed in the first few years, then left it to third parties. They don't row money around because they can, they target the spend where it counts.
3-4 TF is likely to be unrealistic, but it isn't supercomputer territory. Top end gaming PCs will be there this year.
'MS would be more determined' : why? By your earlier comment Sony should be more determined to succeed to have a product to bring in some money. And both are huge companies, its a bit simplistic to suggest one isn't determined.
The NowGamer article does seem farfetched though. We are rapidly reaching silly season so hopefully we will have more concrete leaks or info to calm the randomness a little before the proper reveals.
catotheyounger
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I saw the demo at E3 as well. I was in the same demo as aegies, as a matter of fact. WD is the real deal, though. While MaxPayne has a ton of bells and whistles on PC, it none the less is a linear shooter. For WD to do what it does AND be open world is remarkable. And considering that WD is more than likely a launch window title, fidelity in nextgen titles will only get better. Just as it says at the top of GAF, believe.
well, yeah, it's impressive quality for an open world. But we really need to drop the shackles of this gen. While Watch Dogs may look cool it will play like another GTA or AssCreed title. They just can't improve on gameplay substantially when they have to deal with 512 megs of RAM.
ii Stryker
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The demo vid hinted at simultaneous asynchronous cooperative gameplay through the campaign so I fail to see how it'll play anything like GTA or AC.
Rumors, leaks, blah. Mostly meaningless until they come from an official source anyway since there will always be doubt about the veracity. Made worse by liberal and varied interpretations of the facts presented (see the RAM argument where you can divide opinion on it down fan lines almost 100%) when it gets posted here, the faux-insiders that swell in numbers at the start of each generation, the real-insiders who don't post anything substantive... and yet I consume all the information anyway and come back for more.
Sony/MS, hurry up :x
Sony/MS, hurry up :x
Stephen Colbert
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The bigger deal than graphics is VR, what's MS going to do on this front?
Sony could easily partner with (or outright buy) the people making Oculus Rift to make out of the box PS4 support for it at launch a reality.
Alternatively, Sony already has it's own VR headset....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZ-EXZUjro
...though without some of the features Oculus Rift offers that makes the Rift better to use, but there's no reason Sony can't fix those problems and release an upgraded VR headset for the PS4 that is on par with the Rift but at a higher resolution to boot (720p per eye).
If you like this idea, upvote it on the Playstation Blog Share site that Sony developers frequent...
http://share.blog.us.playstation.com/ideas/2012/08/14/oculus-rift-head-mounted-display/
The Blog Share was how fans managed to get Kevin Butler at the E3 conference last year, so there's no reason they couldn't do something similar with the Oculus Rift this year.
Sony could easily partner with (or outright buy) the people making Oculus Rift to make out of the box PS4 support for it at launch a reality.
Alternatively, Sony already has it's own VR headset....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZ-EXZUjro
...though without some of the features Oculus Rift offers that makes the Rift better to use, but there's no reason Sony can't fix those problems and release an upgraded VR headset for the PS4 that is on par with the Rift but at a higher resolution to boot (720p per eye).
If you like this idea, upvote it on the Playstation Blog Share site that Sony developers frequent...
http://share.blog.us.playstation.com/ideas/2012/08/14/oculus-rift-head-mounted-display/
The Blog Share was how fans managed to get Kevin Butler at the E3 conference last year, so there's no reason they couldn't do something similar with the Oculus Rift this year.
Can Crusher
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Dude is crazy.
Xdrive05
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Well, ThreeSixty perhaps you do want to believe Xbox 3 is more powerful than PS4
But lets look at a few of your points.
'Sony doesn't have the funds to invest' : yes they are in financial difficulties overall, but PlayStation is a successful product and they will invest what they need to. MS doesn't get a free pass on this. Even though the company makes lots of money, their shareholders will want a return on investment and will not simply write a blank cheque
'Look at how much MS spent on halo 4' : look at how much they didn't spend on many other first party exclusives. They pushed in the first few years, then left it to third parties. They don't row money around because they can, they target the spend where it counts.
3-4 TF is likely to be unrealistic, but it isn't supercomputer territory. Top end gaming PCs will be there this year.
'MS would be more determined' : why? By your earlier comment Sony should be more determined to succeed to have a product to bring in some money. And both are huge companies, its a bit simplistic to suggest one isn't determined.
The NowGamer article does seem farfetched though. We are rapidly reaching silly season so hopefully we will have more concrete leaks or info to calm the randomness a little before the proper reveals.
My mid-range $260 GTX 660TI is over 3TF already. It's very possible.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Dude... Is it really worth spamming for?
Psychotext
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I think I might use my four different accounts to do some downvoting when it's back.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I think I might use my four different accounts to do some downvoting when it's back.
I'm going to downvote it just to piss him off.
Can Crusher
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I think you should stop the whole Max Payne thing. I play that game maxed out, and let me tell you Hitman Absolution looks way better so I don't even understand the fixation with that game in terms of visuals.
Watch Dogs is open world, and looks like a top of the line linear shooter.
CryoLombax
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Strangely this is the most substantive piece in the whole thread.
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Sony's R&D budget is similar to Microsoft, and Sony has had one of the biggest R&D budgets in the world for last 10 years or so... I think Microsoft may invest less money than Sony in next gen consoles, as they have many other priorities.
Now I am not saying one is more powerful than another, thats question of other things (sellability at the price mostly).
Sony has had huge R&D for all this time, it is just question of how well was money spent in the last years as they didnt have many hit products.
no it wasn't
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-ps4-in-deep-first-specs/
" AMD R10x series GPU @ 800 MHz (Tahiti)
aggregate 10x RSX performance, 1.84 TFlops
DX11.5″
cheap branching
18 compute units, focus on fine grained compute & tessellation"
http://pastebin.com/j4jVaUv0
"The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops."
like I was saying it didn't come from Gaf.
Psychotext
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Depends how you define similar. Microsoft's R&D budget last year was $9.6bn. Sony's was $6.0bn. Relative to the size of the companies Sony spends more though.
Can Crusher
Banned
Does R&D include software? Sony has a way larger line of hardware products.
systemfehler
Member
Is that for the whole company or just the specific (gaming) division?
Psychotext
Member
Whole company for both of them, and yes, that would be software and hardware. R&D covers both (for Sony and Microsoft).
At one point is must have been, but seeing as they upped the RAM for XB3, other things might have changed too.
That was lowest of Sony R&D for past years, but even then - a lot bigger portion of Sony's go into gaming than Microsoft's. 33% of Sony's workforce works in R&D
. Microsoft spends a LOT of money into R&D overall but I doubt a lot of that goes into gaming especially into hardware.Main problem for Sony was not that they were not spending money on R&D, but that it didnt lead to successful products. So "all" they need to do is focus better, maybe easier said than done but still true. Good thing is that they never cut back.
I found one of the older graphs about R&D.
Samsung for instance has only recently started to invest into R&D and they cover far wider area of investment too.
1) This is from over a year ago so specs could easily change and
2) I call bullshit since Sony would have to be have to be clinically insane not to include a HDD in the PS4. Why they would back it out in the next gen makes no sense since PS+ and pretty much all of PSN needs the hard drive and I am quite sure Sony wants people to continue to buy up PS1/2/3/Minis through their digital service.
Neutering the console when they've been bending over backwards to get people to sign up for PS+ is not happening.
Psychotext
Member
I remember reading that Sony had 3 different designs
1. Wii like upgrade
2. Mid-Range
3. High-End
& it was looking like the Mid-Range was the PS4 they was going for at the time but now it seems they have moved towards the High-End design.
me too
.Sony also increased R&D for 2012, despite lower sales and profits. It is just question of managing it properly which Kaz might do better these days.
Then again, Nokia had the same problem, they had 8000 people working on their Symbian OS, almost 10x more than Apple, didnt end up well I guess.
its outdated too.. i think Apple had some crazy revenue for FY2012 - 156 billion or so
(checked it now, damn).Very profit driven company, which is why they will never build game console...