phosphor112
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Once again spot on with that insider info. You don't mess around.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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Once again spot on with that insider info. You don't mess around.
8 chips on 512mb. 4Gbit chips are going into production this quarter.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
That target was more about finding the lowest IQ they could put out before consumers started to complain about it. And it probably has some margin in it.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Remember it is shared by the CPU (though that is a good thing) AND also needs to be used for caching (well caching is a bad word if it doesn't have to be moved) data in advance (something the system ram is normally used for).
In a a regular pc game your ddr3 ram will usually be storing 1-2 GB of data to be moved to the vram when required so it's not exactly the same as having 4GB vram on a pc unless I'm misunderstanding how it works.
Considering the compromises MS is making (if these rumors are true) on the gaming side, Sony is doing the right thing and MS can't see the forest through the trees anymore apparently.
I'll take good gaming performance and versatility over multitasking if I have to choose. (ideally you wouldn't have to choose, that's why most of us have a pc... )
lol, no. 1080p is very much in the cards.
grimshawish
Banned
Doubt it. They'll lead on PC and port to both I suspect. The architecture is there; they just need to restructure dev teams behind it.
If MS has actually got that OS down then they should be comparable, personally am quite excited to see the PS3 stuff, its sounding like the better system to me.
Though am sure this will be all dependent on individual games as oppose to 'lead' platform stuff.
Uhm...we don't know this at all. Can't pluck things like that from thing air.
It is Sony who supposedly have been looking at a touch screen controller after all.
EDIT: People are coming in too strong for 1080p, that jump from 720 will use up a lot of resources, with the competition to appear the best the resolution will fall. Some launch games 'might' be since they were probably developed for lower specs just because of the constantly changing hardware as it gets pinned down.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Of course, but the OS has no idea what you are going to do in the future, why not cache the whole game state and then you are free to jump to another game or app.
Mikey Jr.
Member
-Trophies
-In game XMB
-Background downloading
-Motion controls (move)
-Triggers on the DS3
-Ingame music
Thats off the top of my head and the big ones. I'll write another list with some other ones I think about.
Thats not including things that the PS3 just outright cannot do because of hardware, ie cross game chat, it also has beacons, and the ability to launch your games from your current game, plus more shit I really don't feel like outlining.
Microsoft is currently on the line, you will have to wait.
Any apps besides gaming will not take a lot of memory. An iPad can juggle between lots of apps with only 512MB of memory.
Haha.
No, but that should be enough to have wonderful looking games. Beyond everything we see today (including PC).
I hope.
Glorified G
Member
I assume your not just talking about the gpu alone? I'm wondering about that as well.
SneakyStephan
Banned
A wheel came off on the freeway, if only I had been driving slower.
That's some weird logic.
systemfehler
Member
I like how everyone ignores the customization done to the components.
What has been customized exactly? We really don't know much about custom parts and designs. If the GPU is really a 7970m with less CUs, less MHz and also less TFlops I rather would have no customizations at all unless it now only needs 30W and is the APU GPU and we still get a HD8000 series discreet GPU aswell.
grimshawish
Banned
Trophies were a copy. A lot of that however was the direction of the industry.
Do you think MS didn't take from the industry when they joined? Co'mon.
MS have brought PC functionality to consoles. Their biggest innovation has been digital, where I'd say Sony remains behind.
Either way, 1080p seems very likely.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Prices are going to be very interesting.
Bunch of launch games coming in at 720p will be underwelming ton. 1080p with locked 30fps being the standard next-gen should be base. The very base.
total power. Epic games mentioned that number. 1.8 is fine I guess.
edit
O well Samaritan looked cool...
pieatorium
Member
Crysis not a good example? they had to do alot of work to bring that back to console levels and even then they left out multiplayer, CDproject gave up on trying to do it for The Witcher 1.
They had to use new/modified engines for the sequels and build them with an eye towards porting for them to be more easily multiplatform.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Yes, but you could chose to go from Game A to Netflix to Hulu to Web to Facebook to Game B to Game A. The memory is going to get fragmented and you may corrupt your game if either the memory or the HD cache has a issue. Seems like a nightmare IMO, but I don't code OSes.
Midnight Phoenix
Member
APU is twisted SoC (it's uses some parts of SoC design, with combining CPU+GPU). Pure SoC is superior. Less distance between moduls - less heat/time delay/energy consumation, but harder for manufacture/more cost.
There is AMD plans for first real SoC in 2013 http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd_unveils_new_apus.aspx
Do we know what Vita's on-board 4GB Flash memory is used for ? Store the firmware, security data, and act as OS working storage (e.g., VM and temp files) ? Most Vita specs only talk about the 512MB system RAM and 128MB VRAM.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I wonder what will be the lowest common denominator developers will end up coding for?
The limited ram availability (PS4) or the limited ram bandwidth (Xbox)?
The limited ram availability (PS4) or the limited ram bandwidth (Xbox)?
With current gen consoles still not below $200 across the board, I think hoping for $399 next-gen is nuts. MAYBE as a lower SKU, but $499 is definitely the right spot. People will buy it for the first few months regardless. Cut the price later if you have to, but you launch at 500.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It's only likely to be a standard if 1080p games look better to mainstream consumers than 720p games with better graphical effects or framerates. In other words, it's only likely if it's still worth it when considering the compromises needed to run at that resolution.
something fishy
Member
Fishy!
Hi Garth.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Which way? How about on a per unit basis?
systemfehler
Member
Basic process, threading, etc. mechanisms ensure that you can put a process/thread to sleep and start right back where you left off. Of course writing all the information to the HDD can take a while but nothing gets lost or fragmented IF basic rules have been followed. It happens on nearly every OS - the scheduler gives a task time and then in a context switch registers, states, etc are saved and the next one gets some time.
Even I could code (with success, speed was a minor issue) that so the people at MS/Sony who gets paid should be fine ;-)
Why launch at $500? Nothing in these boxes that we know of warrants it, and don't you think it would be a bad idea to put the main SKU at a price that really hurt PS3's early years? Times have changed. Heck, I'm not even sure if $400 would mean selling at a loss.
grimshawish
Banned
Only thing that I'd say Sony is behind MS on digital are PSN download speeds
Well quite - but that sort of service is pretty much what Xbox Live is all about.
I do think Live is maybe more engaging with devs? I don't know, am not on PSN so am not really plugged in.
Terra Firma
Banned
8850 is not even high-end of 2013 (8950-8970)...
I know this was unrealistic, I'm just a little bit gutted by those specs. The software will look good I suppose but I expected sooo much more specs wise.
At least things will good on the PC side. -
I don't know why anyone would expect that. The PS3 launched with what was effectively a Nvidia 7800 GTX at a time when the beastly Nvidia 8000 series (the "gamechanger" series after which AMD has been desperately trying to recover from) were out and about. So not only did the PS3 launch with an older generation video card but with a card that was before a huge leap in power. If any of the consoles had launched with hardware similar to the 8000 series, a lot of games would actually run at 1080p, albeit at 30fps. My old 8800GTX that I bought in late 2006 ran most games at the time at 1920x1200 amazingly well. I remember getting around 40-60 fps on a heavily modded Oblivion running at 1920x1200 back in 2006/2007.
phosphor112
Banned
Bandwidth. Look at PS3.
That would be terrible for pure 'core' gaming consoles in 2014.
If you're swapping between games, you'll expect longer loading times. But just between a game and other "apps", not so much. The OS "Apps" can all be cached into a small part of memory.
It's a good question. I guess with PS4, resources free up faster.
Even if PS4 is 5x more powerfull than PS3 [and it wont, it will be more like ~10], just look what can be achieved on 2006 tech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47tGIC2fUs0
Goddamn, GDC/E3 nextgen console reveal cant come soon enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47tGIC2fUs0
Goddamn, GDC/E3 nextgen console reveal cant come soon enough.
AgentP
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Sweet, there is hope then. Thanks.
The thing the mainstream people really aren't going to see all that power if it's hidden behind a 720p resolution either. What's the point of all that RAM if you aren't going target 1080p. Just look at something like Dark Souls, the textures are pretty good but you can't see shit because of the crappy resolution. 720p makes sense if devs are targeting 60fps.
phosphor112
Banned
They are probably pushing some stupid version of windows.
TheGreyHulk
Member
why are people thinking 1080p is out of the question?
it's going to happen, but it's all up to the developers. there's not going to be a mandatory requirement.
we had 1080p games in this gen. they weren't amazing, but we had it. what makes you think it's not going to happen next gen.
a dev needs to pick a target to run @.. 60hz or 30hz and then see what they can pump out. if they can achieve 1080p, they'll do it... if they need to drop the resolution down a bit... they'll do that. we will see 720p 30fps @ the bare MINIMUM for sure. after that, it's all on the dev. i expect to see a bunch of 1080p games at full spec and also not at full spec (ie:1280*1080p or something like that)
it's going to happen, but it's all up to the developers. there's not going to be a mandatory requirement.
we had 1080p games in this gen. they weren't amazing, but we had it. what makes you think it's not going to happen next gen.
a dev needs to pick a target to run @.. 60hz or 30hz and then see what they can pump out. if they can achieve 1080p, they'll do it... if they need to drop the resolution down a bit... they'll do that. we will see 720p 30fps @ the bare MINIMUM for sure. after that, it's all on the dev. i expect to see a bunch of 1080p games at full spec and also not at full spec (ie:1280*1080p or something like that)