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[Raonak]

Judging by what sony's first party studios pulled off with the PS3 specs, make me very optimisitic for the ps4 exclusives.

uncharted 4 will look godly.

Hope 1080p is targetted for the majority of games. Locked at either 30fps, or 60 depending on the type of game.

 

[coldfoot]

That´s exactly what i have been saying. And if Durango´s OS and software feature obliterate Orbis then Sony will have very little maneuverability to do, and will be fucked feature wise. It´s very short sighted of Sony to only put 512MB of RAM to the OS. Very short sighted.

What kind of apps would you run on a console (besides games) that you wouldn't run on an iPad? Because 512MB is enough for that.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

I don't think you have to worry about the Orbis OS not having enough memory to do all the stuff you want it to do while it's running games.

Sony have learned their lesson. They're not stupid.

Ohhh, I'm sure it can do all the stuff NOW. Like, I have full confidence that we will see 360 features in the PS4. I have no doubt.

Its 3 years down the line that I worry. Sony doesn't seem to be future proofing it.

Like someone said, maybe the 720 will be able to record real gameplay and save it to your HDD to put on youtube.

Maybe you can video conference with 7 other people?

Maybe you can use skype to game with your friend? Like Picture in picture.

Maybe use the internet browser to surf the net while the game is on.

I am positive MS will come up with some cool shit. When it comes to that stuff, they have a leg up on Sony. And with 3gb, there is no way in hell Sony could compete.


edit: more shit

-Maybe you can hook up your cable somehow to it and watch tv while playing a game.

 

[thuway]

8850 is not even high-end of 2013 (8950-8970)...

I know this was unrealistic, I'm just a little bit gutted by those specs. The software will look good I suppose but I expected sooo much more specs wise.

At least things will good on the PC side. -

You must be absolutely silly to think any company would put a 8950 in a closed box.

 

[Ashes]

The only point in contention I have with the Eurogamer article is it mentioning "7970m". You cannot just take an off the shelf part and apply the logic of performance. These parts are HIGHLY customized and the base part shares similarities, but the modifications can take it to a whole other level.

What happened to your quad-core steamroller?

I only mention it because I was actually looking for good tussle between them.

 

[2San]

Nah, it's because i have 16GB of RAM. Windows uses more, the more you put in. I guess it just keeps a lot of background stuff open to speed things up a bit.

Oh that makes sense.

 

[Sid]

The vita's OS is pretty damn good and that doesn't require a lot of memeory either.

 

[PaulLFC]

Fuck me. Now I'm depressed. Wipeout in PS4 would've been GODLY.

 

[ghst]

it's pretty conclusive that neither of these machines are the behemoths required to offer up a satisfactory VR headset experience on anything more visually taxing than a current gen game.

 

[Shikoro]

The only point in contention I have with the Eurogamer article is it mentioning "7970m". You cannot just take an off the shelf part and apply the logic of performance. These parts are HIGHLY customized and the base part shares similarities, but the modifications can take it to a whole other level.

I hope that they'll at least listen to you if no one else...

 

[Eideka]

I can probably find some screenshots.

Don't bother, it does not matter in the end. What I want is a glorious looking game on PC and that's what I will get. Those specs are a good news for PC gamers, they won't need much to run next-gen game as good as those consoles if not better. Besides, ports will be easy between consoles-PC.
Nice.

it's pretty conclusive that neither of these machines are the behemoths required to offer up a satisfactory VR headset performance on anything more visually taxing than a current gen game.

Sadly.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Ohhh, I'm sure it can do all the stuff NOW. Like, I have full confidence that we will see 360 features in the PS4. I have no doubt.

Its 3 years down the line that I worry. Sony doesn't seem to be future proofing it.

Like someone said, maybe the 720 will be able to record real gameplay and save it to your HDD to put on youtube.

Maybe you can video conference with 7 other people?

Maybe you can use skype to game with your friend? Like Picture in picture.

Maybe use the internet browser to surf the net while the game is on.

I am positive MS will come up with some cool shit. When it comes to that stuff, they have a leg up on Sony. And with 3gb, there is no way in hell Sony could compete.

someone earlier in this thread said it best. The 360 has a lot of great features in its OS doesn't it? Well the PS4 will have 16x the RAM to work with for the OS. Now look at the vita, it uses 256mb for its OS and does a lot of things that people have been asking to be done on the PS4. Just think about that for a second.

512 is a lot when you know what you're doing.

 

[systemfehler]

What if that coprocessor in PS4 is modern Cell that will give backward compability and cover slow GPU ass. Plus Cell can be used for physics calculation (like Agea Physics Processing Unit).

Possible but it would take a lot of space on the die and you would still need some software adjustments to make BC possible.

 

[Draft]

That´s exactly what i have been saying. And if Durango´s OS and software feature obliterate Orbis then Sony will have very little maneuverability to do, and will be fucked feature wise. It´s very short sighted of Sony to only put 512MB of RAM to the OS. Very short sighted.

Or maybe they are going in a different direction.

Does anyone really want another generation of two 90% identical boxes fighting it out? The HD generation basically boiled down to whether you prefer Uncharted or Halo. How boring.

I hope Orbis and Durango are wildly different.

 

[tapedeck]

Judging by what sony's first party studios pulled off with the PS3 specs, make me very optimisitic for the ps4 exclusives.

uncharted 4 will look godly.

Yeah the first party stuff is going to be insane.

 

[ekim]

Any news in those 20 pages here?

 

[sTeLioSco]

Ohhh, I'm sure it can do all the stuff NOW. Like, I have full confidence that we will see 360 features in the PS4. I have no doubt.

Its 3 years down the line that I worry. Sony doesn't seem to be future proofing it.

Like someone said, maybe the 720 will be able to record real gameplay and save it to your HDD to put on youtube.

Maybe you can video conference with 7 other people?

Maybe you can use skype to game with your friend? Like Picture in picture.

Maybe use the internet browser to surf the net while the game is on.

I am positive MS will come up with some cool shit. When it comes to that stuff, they have a leg up on Sony. And with 3gb, there is no way in hell Sony could compete.

none of that interests me.
but might need to use the browser while in a game,just like the vita.

 

[Lmo911]

What about the illumiroom stuff Microsoft was showing with Samsung at CES? I don't think it would take ridiculous amounts of memory, but would stuff like that have anything to do with the big OS overhead?

 

[magicaltrevor]

What kind of apps would you run on a console (besides games) that you wouldn't run on an iPad? Because 512MB is enough for that.

Exactly. I can't imagine anything that would require more than 512mb that you would want to run at the same time.

I might be wrong though. Would love to hear some examples.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

So is 8 Jaguar Cores = 4 steamroller cores? Is each steamroller core actually 2x as powerful?

It would seem to me that 8 Jaguar cores would offer the overall better performance, fully optimized for every core of course.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

So do these specs meet everyones expectations?

 

[Orayn]

Any news in those 20 pages here?

One person with inside information suggests that Durango is not using the same 8-core 1.6GHz Jaguar CPU.

Another insider suggests that Orbis doesn't use an AMD 7970M exactly, though it's probably something quite similar.

 

[Eideka]

You must be absolutely silly to think any company would put a 8950 in a closed box.

That would be truly next-gen in my eyes. But as I've said the software should look amazing regardless, the next-gen PC hardware has not been taken advantage of that much.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Thread moving fast!
How official are these specs?

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Thread moving fast!
How official are these specs?

I'd say 85% accurate.

 

[Clay Davis]

What kind of apps would you run on a console (besides games) that you wouldn't run on an iPad? Because 512MB is enough for that.

isn't it about offering a one stop shop if you will. a place where you can do everything. so while you can video chat using the ipad, wouldn't it be better to video chat while you're playing a game?

there's also the game recording capabilities, which I hope feature big time on both consoles. there have been so many moments that I've wanted to capture this gen, I want the option to do so next gen.

seamless multitasking and app swapping is another.

 

[magicaltrevor]

Ohhh, I'm sure it can do all the stuff NOW. Like, I have full confidence that we will see 360 features in the PS4. I have no doubt.

Its 3 years down the line that I worry. Sony doesn't seem to be future proofing it.

Like someone said, maybe the 720 will be able to record real gameplay and save it to your HDD to put on youtube.

Maybe you can video conference with 7 other people?

Maybe you can use skype to game with your friend? Like Picture in picture.

Maybe use the internet browser to surf the net while the game is on.

I am positive MS will come up with some cool shit. When it comes to that stuff, they have a leg up on Sony. And with 3gb, there is no way in hell Sony could compete.


edit: more shit

-Maybe you can hook up your cable somehow to it and watch tv while playing a game.

All of the above can easily be done with 512mb RAM.

 

[velociraptor]

So how powerful is Orbis/PS4?

The specs seem quite weak as far as I'm concerned. I expected 'more'.

I had hoped we would see that same generational leap observed from PS2 > PS3.

 

[Kouichi]

The possibility of Infamous 3 on the Orbis excites me greatly.

 

[Ryoku]

So is 8 Jaguar Cores = 4 steamroller cores? Is each steamroller core actually 2x as powerful?

It would seem to me that 8 Jaguar cores would offer the overall better performance, fully optimized for every core of course.

It don't work like that. The 4 Steamroller cores would probably still out-do the 8 Jaguar cores.

 

[King_Moc]

Exactly. I can't imagine anything that would require more than 512mb that you would want to run at the same time.

I might be wrong though. Would love to hear some examples.

Maybe something to do with Smartglass streaming to a tablet? I still don;t know where the 3GB comes from though. If their PC based Windows OS only needs 1GB, then it makes this figure seem a bit off. Unless Kinect 2.0 has gone past detecting individual fingers and has moved on to individual molecules or something crazy.

 

[Eideka]

So how powerful is Orbis/PS4?

The specs seem quite weak as far as I'm concerned. I expected 'more'.

I had hoped we would see that same generational leap observed from PS2 > PS3.

I think we will still get it, PC graphics have not advanced that much. We don't know what modern hardware is truly capable of and hopefully those consoles will demonstrate that.

 

[PaulLFC]

Ohhh, I'm sure it can do all the stuff NOW. Like, I have full confidence that we will see 360 features in the PS4. I have no doubt.

Its 3 years down the line that I worry. Sony doesn't seem to be future proofing it.

Like someone said, maybe the 720 will be able to record real gameplay and save it to your HDD to put on youtube.

Maybe you can video conference with 7 other people?

Maybe you can use skype to game with your friend? Like Picture in picture.

Maybe use the internet browser to surf the net while the game is on.

I am positive MS will come up with some cool shit. When it comes to that stuff, they have a leg up on Sony. And with 3gb, there is no way in hell Sony could compete.


edit: more shit

-Maybe you can hook up your cable somehow to it and watch tv while playing a game.

This post is ridiculous.

1. You have no idea how "future proof" the PS4 will be. You have no idea how future proof Durango will be either. Nobody does.
2. PS3 already did the record and upload to Youtube with Just Cause 2. What's that? PS3 features in 720? I know, shocking isn't it?
3. You can already use the browser in the background while gaming on the Vita. Is the 720 copying from the Vita now? That is your logic with this "Sony copying MS" rubbish. See how ridiculous it sounds?

Also, 5 GB > 3 GB... I notice while making this calculation you completely overlooked that the 5GB is DDR3 and the 3GB is GDDR5. It's been stated that the systems from what we know so far will be very comparable, but don't let that get in the way of your blind MS devotion.

 

[M.D]

One of the VG247 rumors talked a bit about the UI

The UI, however, has been revamped. It was said today that players will now be able to press the PS button mid-game and travel “anywhere” on the system. An example given was buying DLC from the PS Store mid-game then seamlessly returning to play.

“They’re trying to make it as fluid as possible,” our source said.

We were also told that the machine will be designed to accept system and product updates in the background, and that it’ll “always be in standby mode”. When you set the console up, we were told, you’ll be asked if you want to allow background downloads. You can, of course, disallow them.

VG247

 

[thuway]

What happened to your quad-core steamroller?

I only mention it because I was actually looking for good tussle between them.

Things change mang. Sony made a decision sometime later to change the CPU I suppose.

 

[VanWinkle]

Ohhh, I'm sure it can do all the stuff NOW. Like, I have full confidence that we will see 360 features in the PS4. I have no doubt.

Its 3 years down the line that I worry. Sony doesn't seem to be future proofing it.

Like someone said, maybe the 720 will be able to record real gameplay and save it to your HDD to put on youtube.

Maybe you can video conference with 7 other people?

Maybe you can use skype to game with your friend? Like Picture in picture.

Maybe use the internet browser to surf the net while the game is on.

I am positive MS will come up with some cool s***. When it comes to that stuff, they have a leg up on Sony. And with 3gb, there is no way in hell Sony could compete.


edit: more s***

-Maybe you can hook up your cable somehow to it and watch tv while playing a game.

You're just saying random things. Don't worry about it. 720 will need more RAM because of Windows OS underneath it's interface. 512 is plenty.

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

it's pretty conclusive that neither of these machines are the behemoths required to offer up a satisfactory VR headset experience on anything more visually taxing than a current gen game.

Pretty much. This is a very nice leap from PS360 but nothing monstrous about it. Hell isn't the north end of GFX cards in 2013 clocking in at 10 TFLOPs? This pretty much falls in line with what I expected of next gen: respectable performance without breaking the bank, and with the differentiating aspects being services/gimmicks. I'm just happy that the boxes will be efficient so maybe my console won't die 3 years into the cycle *glances at 40 GB Phat Triple*

 

[BruiserBear]

So how powerful is Orbis/PS4?

The specs seem quite weak as far as I'm concerned. I expected 'more'.

I had hoped we would see that same generational leap observed from PS2 > PS3.

It's powerful enough to run games like Crysis 2 on very high settings at 60fps and 1080p, at the very minimum. There is reason to believe it will be even more powerful than that, but as a baseline you can be sure of that much.

Here is a Digital Foundry analysis video of Crysis 2 running on a laptop that has the same GPU the PS4 will have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWyXWSsg5LU&feature=player_embedded

 

[ekim]

One person with inside information suggests that Durango is not using the same 8-core 1.6GHz Jaguar CPU.

Another insider suggests that Orbis doesn't use an AMD 7970M exactly, though it's probably something quite similar.

Merci

 

[phosphor112]

I don't know about that, that sounds weird.

In any case Crysis 3-level visuals are to be expected at launch, that should be possible.

1920x1200

Sub 800mb. CryEngine 2 as well, which is less optimized.

Max Payne 3 with ALL SETTINGS MAX INCLUDING MSAA 8x

Max Payne 3 with MSAA off

We'll be fine in terms of RAM.

 

[Mario007]

That Commute module aka special sauce sure does sound very close to Cell.

 

[magicaltrevor]

This post is ridiculous.

1. You have no idea how "future proof" the PS4 will be. You have no idea how future proof Durango will be either. Nobody does.
2. PS3 already did the record and upload to Youtube with Just Cause 2. What's that? PS3 features in 720? I know, shocking isn't it?
3. You can already use the browser in the background while gaming on the Vita. Is the 720 copying from the Vita now? That is your logic with this "Sony copying MS" rubbish. See how ridiculous it sounds?

Also, 5 GB > 3 GB... I notice while making this calculation you completely overlooked that the 5GB is DDR3 and the 3GB is GDDR5. It's been stated that the systems from what we know so far will be very comparable, but don't let that get in the way of your blind MS devotion.

I think it's the other way around.
He probably prefers PS3, but envies the cool stuff on Xbox (you know, cross-game invites, party chat, etc).

Don't worry. It will all be there.

 

[Maztorre]

it's pretty conclusive that neither of these machines are the behemoths required to offer up a satisfactory VR headset experience on anything more visually taxing than a current gen game.

I wouldn't have been hopeful about VR on consoles this gen even if the hardware did have the muscle to power a 720p60 VR display. VR is hugely dependent on factors like latency and framerate which console devs throw under a bus all the time so they can throw more shit on the screen. By the end of next gen they would be trying to sell you 20-25fps sub-HD games with input lag everywhere.

The only way VR will work on consoles any time soon is if minimum framerate, resolution and input lag are mandated by manufacturers as a QA standard.

 

[thuway]

80% of the staff at Liverpool is still at Sony. The redundancies have been cut. You can still expect the talent to crank out games.

 

[JoshHood]

isn't it about offering a one stop shop if you will. a place where you can do everything. so while you can video chat using the ipad, wouldn't it be better to video chat while you're playing a game?

there's also the game recording capabilities, which I hope feature big time on both consoles. there have been so many moments that I've wanted to capture this gen, I want the option to do so next gen.

seamless multitasking and app swapping is another.

The PS3 does video chatting and video recording in its current OS footprint. Plenty of games use the former, Just Cause 2 and the PixelJunk games use the latter. The Vita does seamless multitasking too.

 

[nib95]

That´s exactly what i have been saying. And if Durango´s OS and software feature obliterate Orbis then Sony will have very little maneuverability to do, and will be fucked feature wise. It´s very short sighted of Sony to only put 512MB of RAM to the OS. Very short sighted.

Tbh, I'm glad they're going in that direction. I'm all about the games. I don't care for gimmicky add ons, move, kinect, recording gaming videos, YouTube integration or anything like that. Sonys going after my sort of target market. Focus on the games and amazing looking, technically benchmarking stuff. GDDR5 over DDR3 is foresight on that front. Not saying Microsoft won't be doing that, but it's clear their goals are slightly different. Microsoft probably being more social and media orientated.

The difference in direction is great for the consumer, as we'll have a slight variety in what each platform offers.

 

[m.i.s.]

Oh!

 

[velociraptor]

It's powerful enough to run games like Crysis 2 on very high settings at 60fps and 1080p, at the very minimum. There is reason to believe it will be even more powerful than that, but as a baseline you can be sure of that much.

The PS3 uses a 7600GT variant right? To be honest, that is pretty weak, even for 2006. I had an 8800GTS back then!

So, how many 'x' is the PS4 more powerful compared with the PS3? I know PS2 > PS3 was touted as '10x'.

 

[tapedeck]

One of the VG247 rumors talked a bit about the UI
VG247

Very nice.

 

[Eideka]

Merci

And here I thought you were german...