velociraptor
Junior Member
Why? The assets are all the same. Photomode is simply 1080p, loads of AA, and a dash of post-processing (motion blur, depth of field).
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Pro elite has been off before, and he's waffled around on specs so many times. Plus he allegedly works for Microsoft. I don't think he's the best objective source.
Noisepurge
Member
i just assume 3gb´s is what the full Windows8 takes that they are cramming in there.
Why? Just the ram in the next gen systems alone is going to make life miserable for anyone hoping for a quick downport.
I think "happy wii u" would have been more like Orbango being ps360 1.5.
shinra-bansho
Member
It's a fun fact but I'm not sure how much bearing that has on what a manufacturer pays per unit to have their GPUs fabricated.
Can Crusher
Banned
It might just be the case that Sony 1st party wanted 4 GB of GDdr5, and studios like Crytek and Dice wanted 8Gb of ddr3 + esram.
I guess that if Ryse or whatever Crytek is doing for the console, looks better than Uncharted 4...it will mean something. If Uncharted 4 looks better though, hard sell to believe that Sony didn't went the best way.
I guess that if Ryse or whatever Crytek is doing for the console, looks better than Uncharted 4...it will mean something. If Uncharted 4 looks better though, hard sell to believe that Sony didn't went the best way.
i didnt compare it to 720 but to PS3... so PS4 vs PS3, 10x improvement?!
Thats a lot. First party is already looking great on PS3 right now, mainly lacking ram.
10x improvement in raw speed, 8x more RAM? Thats a lot.
Re 720 vs PS4... i am thinking PS4 might be more expensive. Question is can they show users why it is more expensive.
I dont really understand 720's RAM situation at all... it makes no sense to have that much RAM and to have that much reserved for OS.
I speak with Proelite on a daily basis. His view is that its mostly a wash. Different engines will shine on different platforms. If developers want something with more detail and variety, Xbox will win hands down. If developers want 60 FPS, and better effects - PS4. It's not even that simple- there are too many variables.
The more important thing is you understand that they will be in the same ballpark, but you will have to choose what you like better. Better effects/deffered rendering or more detail/textures etc.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
dusted so many BMW's and Porches with my turbo charged 92 Luda, so yeah I agree Sony customizing+ closed platform will lead to great things, cannot wait
Proelite
Member
Sweetvar26 said AMD said the Durango was a super computer and felt the Durango was "more powerful".
That's the only thing that I have really. If Sweetvar26 didn't say that, my viewpoint would be different.
Knowing Sweetvar26, it is possible that AMD said the exact opposite and he just mentally swapped it by accident.
I'm reading, i'm reading... But those videos are locked at 720p and they're pretty blurry. The Battlefield 3 video is really muddy and blurry, BF3 doesn't look that bad on my PS3 on my Panasonic VIERA tv. Why talk about great power and 1080p when your fucking video don't show it!
velociraptor
Junior Member
I've got a reasonably powerful PC (2500k, 8GB, 6950), and Uncharted 3 looked incredible to me. Some console games, as an overall package, look better than most PC games. Uncharted 3, Killzone 2/3, Halo 4, Gears Of War 3, God Of War 3 etc have all impressed me. Even Reisdent Evil 6 doesn't look bad. But the downfall of these games is the crappy IQ. 30FPS doesn't bother me as long as it's locked. No AA, AF and 720p however can make a game look worse than it actually is. So hopefully 1080p is mandatory next gen, because something as simple as resolution makes a big difference on screen.
yes, it should be easy to do for PS4.
Err, where did I say it wasn't? A 7970M would be still quite expensive at retail (if it were) when compared to console prices. That's why I said it would be cheap for Sony/MS due to the sweetened AMD deal. These are not expensive machines to put together at all.
pieatorium
Member
Gears 1 looked super good on PC, still bitter they didn't port the rest.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Who is Sweetvar26?
According to this article Orbis is better. So yeah...
alexandros
Banned
Probably not. As a matter of fact I do have a PC from around that time, a P4 @ 3GHz with a 7600GT and 2 GBs of RAM. It runs some multiplatform games decently, at the level of console visuals, others not so much. Good ports run decently, bad ports do not.
However, I mentioned earlier on this thread that we can't draw parallels to the current gen in order to judge the next one. These new consoles are practically PCs, so the porting overhead should be much smaller, which means good performance on comparable hardware. Also, both the 360 and the PS3 had high-end hardware, Orbis and Durango clearly do not.
But other leaker
The ninjas got him/her.
Imagine that most of Sony's first party studios started work with the assumption of <2GB GDDR5 RAM due to OS, and by the looks of 512MB of it, leaving an effective 1.5GB. The launch games, as impressive as they will be, the forthcoming project developers, now armed with the knowledge of having at least 3.5GB may do some truly amazing things to outshine their predecessors.
OT: Thanks. I didn't know there was a term related to that. The potential of being exposed to new info each day is proven to be true again. And do note, that I am in no way asking for the the memes to be taken down. One has the right to mock and another has the right to be offended. I can look at both points of view.
OT: Thanks. I didn't know there was a term related to that. The potential of being exposed to new info each day is proven to be true again. And do note, that I am in no way asking for the the memes to be taken down. One has the right to mock and another has the right to be offended. I can look at both points of view.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
:lol
Fair point. I still stick by my predition regarding Durango superiority, though.
Relative to the WiiU, they ABSOLUTELY are, I'm afraid!
a "sacrifice" for knowledge.
Chuck Norris
Banned
So do they actually know or is that their opinion?
Proelite
Member
I really only believe in Sweetvar26 and two others that shall not be named.
Another guy who should have a accurate tag.
Can Crusher
Banned
One of the reasons why I don't think MS is going lightly on the hardware side, and how it translates into game performance is ShockingAlberto (who has been right before).
They are going batshit
They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system
SolidSnakex
Member
http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/local/hk-zh/data2/movie/20101225/gt5_ags2010_pv.mov
If GT6 can't make it at or soon after launch, then i'll definitely take something similar in quality to the above movie. That's the only trailer that Polyphony has ever released that runs at 60fps.
Graphics Horse
Member
It's actually 1080p and ~128 individual screenshots. You probably couldn't quite replicate that in real time on PS4 but you could do a good job of faking it.
I actually finished the second one today, not played the third yet. But yeah, wasn't really impressed. Textures were mainly nice, but on a whole, the picture was destroyed by jaggies. In 1080p native with some AA it might have looked good (or on a 720p TV). My main issues with the game weren't graphics related, anyway.
My current PC is pretty new, but my previous one was still doing a similar level of performance withy most games other than Battlefield/Crysis etc...
7.75 to be precise. Every decimal to the hundredth position counts, XD.
they're modest specs. there's no way that nintendo was unprepared for this. i don't know about the RAM. it's definitely the biggest difference, and i can imagine it would be next to impossible to port if all the RAM was used in critical ways, but i have a hard time believing that it will be.
Proelite
Member
Yep, and Sony saw what MS is doing and followed suit.
Orbis could have end up being a 1.5 teraflop machine with 2GB of GDDR5 if MS didn't update their machine.
Both Sony and MS fans should send cupcakes to Dice, Crytek, Epic, etc. We lucked out.
Sweet mother mercy, that footage is awesome. GT6 will be awesome I'm sure.
Karak
Member
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Well that is mother f*cking enlightening. Wish I would have known that sooner.
Chuck Norris
Banned
I guess the real question is, what will the middleware engines like Unreal Engine 4 be more tuned towards - fast RAM or large bulks of it?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Well I am already really impressed with these specs so if Durango is even more beastly than I am even more excited.
I reckon most people would have thought that the Durango would have been much more than 3x more powerful than the Wii U.
krypt0nian
Banned
You may want to sit down...
It looks like a cleaner and crisper version of what we have today but.. somehow more.. organic. The lack aliasing definitely helps. I am pretty sure it's doable given how close GT5 has come to that vision.
the delay was definitely good.
ms previous machine from the leaked slides was a mess....
shinra-bansho
Member
Am I right in assuming in some ways the CPU will be inferior to Cell, but with regard to gaming it may end up being better overall?
Hasn't the most common complaint by devs this gen regarding console limitations been about RAM?
i am sitting down, lol. want to talk about what you disagree with instead?
i believe they did use that one, but 360/PS3 also had really low bits of RAM. wii u is an upgrade in that category, it's just not quite at this level.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Its a pretty tremendous upgrade.
If you expected anything over 200 watts in a console setting, you are a fool. This machine will be the size of the OG PS3 Fat. Which already had people jumping and yelling for its "obtuse" and large design.