I'm perplexed on the usage of the word "promises" here and in the article being discussed. What exactly do you mean by delivered something? From what I saw of the Nintendo Direct they announced some software for the console and to me that's them delivering something. I think the wway that word is being used here is to purposely denote negative connotations but this is basically what every company does when they announce a game.
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Edge: "Nintendo Direct - promises, promises"
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I'm perplexed on the usage of the word "promises" here and in the article being discussed. What exactly do you mean by delivered something? From what I saw of the Nintendo Direct they announced some software for the console and to me that's them delivering something. I think the wway that word is being used here is to purposely denote negative connotations but this is basically what every company does when they announce a game.
I also love how EDGE implies that Sony and MS will have a blitzkrieg of big titles available at launch, and that it won't be the same as every launch ever. One or two standout titles at launch, followed by a general drip feed of titles for the first few months, with momentum building towards the first christmas and a ton of trailers for TBA games. This is how games have worked for generations.
Nintendo is missing that key 2-3 other titles they needed to really have a good launch lineup. That isn't suddenly changing today.
Nintendo is missing that key 2-3 other titles they needed to really have a good launch lineup. That isn't suddenly changing today.
Its a 'too late' issue. A lot of us actually wanted the Wii U to succeed, but if they don't bring their A game this holiday season, they are going to get drowned out by the new look/smell of Microsoft and Sony's offering. The reason 3DS was able to rebound (at least in Japan) was not just the price, but games, games, games and consequentially drowned out the Vita instead in its launch window. I suppose I was just hoping the new games they were going to talk about were unannounced games they were holding back that were due this holiday season, but instead I was treated with games that are in development that are so far away from finishing production they couldn't even bother to give a vague 'Q2 2014' and the like. Hopefully they are saving something for E3 that they didn't show here because at this point I want something concrete that I will see this year. Not next year, this year.
This is fair. I would've rather them shown titles for this fall as well. The likely reason they aren't is that the titles this fall are the big titles being shown at E3. They need them to have the most impact there to deflect at least a smidgeon of the hype surrounding the other consoles if they arrive. Perhaps they should not have had this ND at all, as the existence of further out games only brings focus to the gap of this year that we still know nothing about yet.
ArtHands
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I read it but still no.
345triangle
Member
the announcements were mostly non-announcements. i don't think i know any more about a 3D mario and mario kart for wii u than i did a week ago. the event was nintendo simply reminding people it exists and has a bunch of great games it can toss out whenever it feels like it.
can't wait for the new 3D mario, but i agree with the edge article entirely. without concrete details, i find it hard to get excited about pretty much anything announced last night.
though i'm day one for yoshi's epic yarn.
can't wait for the new 3D mario, but i agree with the edge article entirely. without concrete details, i find it hard to get excited about pretty much anything announced last night.
though i'm day one for yoshi's epic yarn.
lol. This is great.
Yep that is what I have been getting at. Its a perception issue, its nice I like to see new games in development, but it doesn't change the core issue they have right now, it actually highlights the concern. Then again Nintendo really hasn't been very good with this stuff so maybe I expect too much from them, and I really hope its just an 'in development first look' and they are saving the 'bombs' for E3. But part of the other reason I am bitter is well... Nintendo and E3 save for one year really don't go well together as far as announcements go. I don't have much faith in them to turn it around at E3 :/. The meme "Wait for Spaceworld" rings in mind whenever I even contemplate saying something like that.
So just bitter?
This is very good advice.
There's no excuse for a Wired writer not to know what vaporware is.
ArtHands
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Its really not nintendo style to pin a release window if that's so far in the first place. Smash bros wii U/3DS was the only game that was announced prematurely recently imo (for 3DS reassurance sake) when sakurai was still working on kid icarus and they have nothing to show at that moment (and even then, sakurai keep telling everyone not to expect new SMash bros news so early to keep the expectation to the ground).
Bidermaier
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it feels nice to know there are hardcore games coming. Had Nintendo showed the same attitude towards the wii I wouldn't have given it away. Hype is good
Especially not the founder and editor of Wired's gaming section. It's a pretty egregious oversight.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I have that feeling too. For a long time now, Nintendo has been getting a lot of derision from "games journalism". Some of it was fair, but a lot wasn't. I think this kind of negative spin is exactly what Nintendo Direct is designed to bypass.
The best example of this in action was Iwata literally trolling the gaming sites by unboxing the Wii U "officially" in a previous Direct, one day before the game sites were allowed to do so.
Mango Positive
Member
I agree to a point. I was pumped for the next Nintendo system. In HD! OK, it was last generation's HD, but NINTENDO IN HD! Right? I was horrified by their launch line up. I moved to PC about 4 years ago and graphics DO matter. To me. I like game play too, but I get that with good graphics in spades. It's not an either / or. I'm still going to get the system once a proper 3D Mario and a Zelda I haven't played already 8 years ago become available. Hopefully there will be a price drop before then. Right now through Fall at the absolute earliest? I don't care. And that's OK, right?
Flakster99
Member
Yeah really. Wtf.
And every console ever released has suffered from a sparse release list it's first year, some worse than others. It happened to the 360, it happened to the PS3 and it happened to the Wii, and on and on. This isn't Edge's first console transition, they should know better.
IrishNinja
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from what im seeing, OP isnt a great look at the article, prolly to be expected
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They have a point, but I'm not really sure what Edge (specifically the writer is Neil Long, but it's featured as an Edge article) is arguing here. The majority of the article describes what happened in the Direct. Suddenly in the end, it states that Nintendo fans are growing impatient and uneasy and wonders whether the fanbase are still interested. The reason this question asked is because MS/Sony will have their next gen console out.
A 3-4 months game drought will not be cured with this ND that focuses on games that are still months or years away, I agree.
But the last paragraph? It's combining something everyone knows with a question everyone can ask. Instead of having some data or insight of how the fanbase will react, it just...asks a question without any ground. Seeing from that point, this is like a glorified forum post. I'm not sure why Edge categorized this in its "Features" section. This kind of article belongs in a personal blog.
A 3-4 months game drought will not be cured with this ND that focuses on games that are still months or years away, I agree.
But the last paragraph? It's combining something everyone knows with a question everyone can ask. Instead of having some data or insight of how the fanbase will react, it just...asks a question without any ground. Seeing from that point, this is like a glorified forum post. I'm not sure why Edge categorized this in its "Features" section. This kind of article belongs in a personal blog.
ArtHands
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I wouldn't say its bitter, but its lol at them being bias here. So lol
Baconsammy
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That's cool, but I find it funny that someone who wants to "enjoy my passion" refuses to buy Wii U games if they don't make use of offscreen play. Seems like someone passionate about the Wii U would support console games even if they were limited to playing on a TV.
Kobun Heat
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Oh, you guys. Of course I know what vaporware means.
I honestly do not understand what else you would want or expect from something like today. Mario Universe coming out in May? Not everything they showed today will be out this year, but I bet you a decent amount will. Just because no date was given today doesn't mean it won't come this year. I am 99.9% sure 3D Mario or Mario Kart will be out this year and I bet others will make it out as well.
Yes, the "launch window" sucked, but extrapolating more than that based on today strikes me as foolish.
StreetsAhead
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Iwata said both will be playable at E3 so one of them being available by Christmas would be unsurprising.
Lee Chaolan
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Nailed it. They have track record of quality. You don't rush that.
Right. In years past the big holiday titles were just not discussed yet- this is where I think Nintendo was trying to preemptively placate investors. Right now I would bet on Mario Universe in November, Mario Kart in the Spring. I also strongly believe Retro's game will be out this year as well.
Probably Mario Kart, I can't imagine those games having terribly long dev cycles.
StreetsAhead
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Generally 2~3 years. Between 7 and Wii U would be 2 years if it's out in November this year. Maybe 7 was rushed/assisted by Retro to move on to Wii U sooner?
Indeed. This was very much a pre-emptive strike against investors/financial reports & to try and generate some hype among 'gamers' to spur sales (so that they can get closer to that 5.5M goal?). I'm sure we'll see Retro's game at E3, but I'm not confident it'll be out, but I'm hopeful.
Azure Dream
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What's "Mario Universe"? I'm still catching up on the past few hours, but to my knowledge Nintendo showed nothing of several of these titles, they didn't even give them names. All they did was say "We're making installments in these series, we'll show them to you half a year from now." They did this with Smash a year and a half ago, and we're still waiting on an image, a name, anything. Now we know behind the scenes this was due to Sakurai being focused on Kid Icarus, but Nintendo was happy to announce a game that clearly didn't exist, and get the applause for it, and even now they're still not prepared to show anything about it.
So stepping in front of a camera and saying, "We totally have a Mario Kart and 3D platformer coming," and then moving on without a single drop of information... it's not that I doubt they're in development and that we'll see them at E3, but those hardly count as announcements. They could have given us anything to worth with, even just said "Super Smash Bros. Universe and 3Dverse" But they didn't even provide that much, in regard to those games.
Now, X was a nice surprise, and Wind Waker HD was certainly shocking, though odd in some respects. Yoshi Land as well. (SMT x FE was just out of nowhere.) So I'm not saying it was devoid of good announcements. But name-dropping big series without a single detail past "Wait for E3" left a sour taste in my mouth.
The Super Mario game will have probably been in development for a while too.
I think promises was exactly what a lot of people were waiting for, because the lineup looked so barren, now we know that Nintendo have a shitload going on, and the library of games is going to look very diverse. The launch wasn't stunning, but what was really worrying people was what was coming down the pipeline and and why Nintendo were so hush hush about future releases. Those worries have been put to rest, there's a lot coming up for the WiiU.
I've been one of the most critical of WiiU but Nintendo scored a lot of brownie points with Nintendo Direct. It's piqued my interest in the console again after being down on it for the last few months.
I've been one of the most critical of WiiU but Nintendo scored a lot of brownie points with Nintendo Direct. It's piqued my interest in the console again after being down on it for the last few months.
I think Nintendo has every intention of releasing these games, but I thought pre-announcements are technically considered vaporware?
How dare you to "(yawn)" Lego City Undercover!?
If you are going to call these titles vaporware you might as well call every game with a launch date more than 3 months out vaporware. Orbis and Durango are vaporware and so are all the supposed games.
Part of the point of Nintendo Direct and other direct communications is to make places like Wired and Edge irrelevant. What are they adding to the equation? Fanboy-styled opinions on videos we can all watch for ourselves, delivered by people who know less about games than I do. They have no exclusive impressions, they aren't gatekeepers of any information, they didn't do any research. They serve no useful part in the process.
If I have an internet connection and working eyes I can just watch ND myself just as easily as I can read Wired or Edge. IGN had positive impressions but the same thing applies - what purpose does reading their positive impressions serve?
someone who probably knows what vaporware is said:
Of course. Things like ND make their jobs even more irrelevant than they already are. It's in their best interest to play down things like ND if they want to cling to their role as gatekeepers.
If you do then you should redact its use in your article. But hey, I get it, you gotta get those clicks any way that you can. It's just extremely pathetic as I used to have respect for you and the gaming side of Wired... But after seeing you get called out by so many commenters in your article and then defending it with this drivel...
... I can safely say you are either a complete moron or extremely stubborn, since I have read many of your articles I know it is the latter, but again I am disappointed by the sensationalist title.
oconnomiyaki
Member
Wait, what? That's the most exciting (announced) title coming out this year, IMO.
I don't understand people.
