Psycho_Mantis
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I believe in both of them.
OT, I am useless at tech stuff but does this give an any idea of BC on the PS4?
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Kotaku(Jan23): Have official Orbis docs; Devkit: PS4- 8GBRAM,2.2GBVRAM, Controller
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I believe in both of them.
OT, I am useless at tech stuff but does this give an any idea of BC on the PS4?
Hydrargyrus
Member
I think that the rear touch pad in the controller is a great idea, but it needs to be well implemented in games, not like they did with the sixaxis.
systemfehler
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Well I don't think you are wrong but I don't see any grave changes so far. The 10.2GB could easily result in a 4GB GDDR5 + 256MB (legacy RAM) configuration. The devkit having 8GB could be because eg. Sony Ice Team released new debug software to test or for certain developers who requested more during the development process.
Where do you see a big change?
Wolves Evolve
Member
Love a touchpad on the back. Such a great idea. Flip the controller over for menus in RPGs, navigating the OS, gesture gameplay. From the front, slide actions, camera control.
Its unusual which is why they should try it.
Its unusual which is why they should try it.
I seriously doubt that Foxconn will have anything to do with PS4. It's either GloFo or TSMC.
It's for development purposes (internal development network data sharing), it's likely to be removed in the final box.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Are you mean a die as integrated circuits?A dead Cell
What's I meant if cell is dead then what is in the current PS3 then?
This.
The Start/Select buttons could be emulated on the controller's pad surface when playing PS1/PS2/PS3 games
I'm up for change, but don't know if I could quit the feel of a PS controller at this point.
Remember we could have been playing with this for the past years.
painful fart
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Foxconn will likely be manufacturing some PS4s, GloFo and TSMC will likely be involved in producing some of the silicon in the PS4.
specialguy
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uhh, this kit is the old one.
brain_stew
Member
No. This is clearly a PC based devkit.
NinjaBoiX
Member
Most games allow you to turn it off. But yeah, I tried playing MGS3, and I couldn't walk more than three paces without whipping the knife out.
No thanks.
FIFA uses it well, it acts as the goal, so you just tap where you want to shoot on the back pad. Optional of course.
brain_stew
Member
At the high end? No, that ship has long since sailed.
Switch to video/4k content delivery which Sony don't yet have.
allways good to have some developper input on closed plateform dev :
http://timothylottes.blogspot.fr/2013/01/orbis-and-durango.html
http://timothylottes.blogspot.fr/2013/01/orbis-and-durango.html
Wolves Evolve
Member
Good read. Both platforms will be impressive if true.
gaming_noob
Member
How did you get that based on that blog? Unless I missed something, it basically says PS4 is going to be a powerhouse and Xbox720 is going to be disappointing.
Really nice insight into what more can be exposed on the same hardware in a closed box. Excite.
I think he's maybe misinformed in mentioning 720's GPU will be 'pre-GCN' though - if anything it should be the latest GCN refresh.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Pretty scathing on Durango's rumoured RAM set up.
JonathanPower
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Yeah, a single SPE can provide something around 25 Gflops and thus adding a module with 7 SPEs would mean having 175 Gflops of additional power that can be used for audio/video processing, physic, and to help the cpu with vector intensive code, in addition to provide hw backwards compatibility. It would make the PS4 a monster.
dead monkey uk
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That was a good read. With all the rumour's of possible issues with the Xbox's RAM, I can see MS working on a last minute change.
Good read. Closed console arhitectures rule, they always have great potential for extracting more performance with trazy tactics [GoW2 used audio chip for general game processing
]. Hopefully he will do breakdowns of both consoles when we get final specs.Maybe towards the end of the cycle, but I would think that initially the added bandwidth would be a bigger help than the split pool was a burden. 8GB split is still better than 4GB unified at any rate. Yes the processor would get lower bandwidth RAM, but processors aren't as bandwidth demanding as GPUs plus it wouldn't have to share the bandwidth. But I think the 8GB is just for the dev kit anyways.
Intel doesn't licence out their chips like AMD and IBM do, they keep control of them. They burned Microsoft on the xbox with that. What this means is that whoever is buying their chips is subject to whenever they want to shrink dies and whatnot, and can't customize parts of the architecture themselves.
Plus AMD would be willing to sell for lower profit margins, considering thier situation they would probably be very flexible in thier deals.
I also thought that Durango's GPU will get the GCN architecture.
Kun Aguero
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Thanks for the link. Very interesting read.
acatxo 24 January, 2013 at 13:48 Reply
Hour of the next article?
Thanks
Maynard 24 January, 2013 at 13:51 Reply
Very soon…
http://www.vgleaks.com/what-do-you-expect-about-orbis-hardware-poll-inside/
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He replied 15 minutes ago. So a few hours maybe.
Like last time it was around 15:00-16:30 CET when they posted leaks. Now it's 14:07 CET
Hour of the next article?
Thanks
Maynard 24 January, 2013 at 13:51 Reply
Very soon…
http://www.vgleaks.com/what-do-you-expect-about-orbis-hardware-poll-inside/
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He replied 15 minutes ago. So a few hours maybe.
Like last time it was around 15:00-16:30 CET when they posted leaks. Now it's 14:07 CET
Insane Metal
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LoL, came here to post this. Well, we can just wait. I hope the wait is worth it though
Dark Octave
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I wonder what the AMD R10xx is capable of. What range does that fall in next to say a GTX 660-ti.
I also wonder how the CPU stacks up against a standard Intel i7.
I also wonder how the CPU stacks up against a standard Intel i7.
did you even read the article you quoted?
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
R1000 is Southern Islands i think which could mean anything from 73xx to 79xx. If the rumours are true and its 7970M based GPU then they are about on par performance wise.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, Little Big Planet is another game that supports is as well indeed
I wonder why more game doesnt support it, especially Call of Duty Black Ops 1, Modern Warfare 3 and Black Ops 2. Three games that are really popular and supports split-screen online.EDIT: Seems that Black Ops 2 supports it.
Most of it went over my head but pertaining to audio processing on PS4, this is the day I learned that the GPU can handle that without needing a dedicated DSP.
dead monkey uk
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shinra-bansho
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They may be targeting a certain bandwidth and a certain amount, but without finalizing how to get there - i.e. from the other thread it was discussed that either 4GB of GDDR5 or 4GB of stacked RAM can achieve the same bandwidth, but with pros and potential drawbacks for either. The most crucial for the latter being whether it will actually be ready for a console shipping late this year.
FlyingTeacup
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I think you read the wrong article
yeah, there are nice comments on orbis and i thought it's a bit critical on the ddr3 nature of the durango, in spite of the esram.
ed, engadget picked up this story from kotaku, i'm assuming they did some cross checked... i wonder how 'old' is this devkit. I assume earlier version....
I wouldn't really trust engadget that much. They probably just saw the Kotaku story and went with it.
iamshadowlark
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Funny to hear one of the things he seems most excited for regarding sony, are the tools. Even though I hear that PS EDGE or whatever it was that the ICE team released, was pretty good.
He says alot of things I've been saying though.
Boss Man
Member
I don't mind them experimenting with something new, but I really hope that there will be a DualShock 4 alternative.
Also, I just thought about how ridiculously cool the OS could look if it were to focus on that rear touch pad. Imagine a background that looks like a curtain and your fingers move through it like an etch-a-sketch. So cool. To be honest though, it would probably be pretty aggravating to navigate like that.
Either way, I'm expecting the OS in these new systems to be one of the most exciting things about them. I feel like that will separate them most from this gen, even though I expect the graphics to be no less than what you'd expect from a generational leap.
My main wish from Sony with Orbis (outside of games), is a more cohesive platform. Being more open about requirements and stuff has its advantages, but I don't think it's the right philosophy for a console. It's mostly little things. For instance, next time you get bored take a look at the different trophy icons and names between games. I'm not saying that games should not be able to choose their own icons for trophies, but they should have to meet certain quality requirements. Demon's Souls is actually an offender here, even though it may have been my favorite game this generation.
There are a lot of other little things, and I don't think any of it is really that offensive so it's hard to actually point things out from the top of my head. But there is definitely an overall sense that 'PSN' or maybe even 'PS3' does not really mean anything.
Also, I just thought about how ridiculously cool the OS could look if it were to focus on that rear touch pad. Imagine a background that looks like a curtain and your fingers move through it like an etch-a-sketch. So cool. To be honest though, it would probably be pretty aggravating to navigate like that.
Either way, I'm expecting the OS in these new systems to be one of the most exciting things about them. I feel like that will separate them most from this gen, even though I expect the graphics to be no less than what you'd expect from a generational leap.
My main wish from Sony with Orbis (outside of games), is a more cohesive platform. Being more open about requirements and stuff has its advantages, but I don't think it's the right philosophy for a console. It's mostly little things. For instance, next time you get bored take a look at the different trophy icons and names between games. I'm not saying that games should not be able to choose their own icons for trophies, but they should have to meet certain quality requirements. Demon's Souls is actually an offender here, even though it may have been my favorite game this generation.
There are a lot of other little things, and I don't think any of it is really that offensive so it's hard to actually point things out from the top of my head. But there is definitely an overall sense that 'PSN' or maybe even 'PS3' does not really mean anything.
Not out of the realm of possibility. The other day when proelite mentioned that ms refers to the compute portion of the GPU as shader cores instead of compute units the possibility of a VLIW based architecture sprang to mind. It's not necessarily a disadvantage because when it comes to graphics workloads WLIV is just as (if not more) efficient as GCN which was introduced mainly so AMD could compete in the high performance computing market.
Durangos architectural details must have been finalized a while back. Older rumors (oban) suggest it was in the pipeline for a long time.
Insane Metal
Member
DevKit, dude.
It is the old dev kit, used to simulate the sum total GDDR5 of 2GB, according Thuway. So the dev kits would have changed now to reflect the 4GB (3.5 usable) GDDR5 UMA.
Each day I want to see Guerrilla's new fantasy IP more and more.
And each, I wonder what if one of Sony's studio made a non linear sci-fi RPG.
I've given up.
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