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Wii U Direct Nintendo Games 2013.1.23 - Jan. 23rd, 9 AM EST, 2 PM GMT, 11 PM JP
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lordfroakie
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I'm basically done with game journalists...gamespot joined the "what is wrong with Nintendo Direct" bandwagon. Not even going to bother linking them -_-
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Yeah, I mostly just browse GAF for my gaming info these days. For reviews, it's best to find reviewers you trust and who have similar tastes to you (I also use vooks for Aussie news and their reviews). The large gaming 'journalism' sites just aren't informative for news (GAF is usually quicker and more accurate/informative), and their tastes are mostly very different from mine (therefore the reviews aren't useful to me), so I see very little reason to visit them.
Mr. MondayNight
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The only journalist who seemed "happy" was Rich from IGN... I tend to use GAF and twitter for most gaming news so I didn't really look around.
StreetsAhead
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Oh boy...
Lies.
Lies. Infinity, Lego Marvel, Revelations, The Walking Dead in the last 2 weeks. What other games did we miss out on recently?
What a turd of an article.
Newton Crosby
Banned
Yep.
StreetsAhead
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Yup.
KillerTravis
Banned
Just scrolling through the middle of the thread, the trolls were in full force! lol
Brera and Kenka are the funniest.
Brera and Kenka are the funniest.
toddhunter
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Alright, I definitely agreed with you there on number 1 and 2.
I will be shocked if Sakurai announced SSBU Dojo at E3 2013
I am a published journalist and I know that if I were to present an opinion piece like that to my editors, they'd have sent it back questioning whether I was on some kind of narcotics when I wrote it.
People always ask Nintendo for new IPs. They deliver, however they have shifted the new, untested IPs to be on the 3DS eShop.
Plus, if this Direct was filled with new IPs, you can guarantee the same people would be asking "Where's Mario? Where's Zelda?"
StreetsAhead
Member
You can't please everyone all of the time. However, it would be nice if people got their facts straight before expressing their displeasure.
Nope on point 1.
This is aboslutely not professionnal to just move on during develoment, especially near the end of it, especially during the laucnh window of a new system.
I mean, come one, they can move on after finishing the game just a couple months after the others!
Anything that uses the "casual" and "hardcore" nonsense as if it actually meant something should be discarded and ignored.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
It's obvious what it means.
My try for release prediction:
Wii Fit U: Spring 2013
Wii U Party: Summer 2013
Mario Kart: Holiday 2013
Megaten X Fire Emblem: Spring 2014
Bayonetta 2: Spring 2014
Smash (Wii U): Summer 2014
X: Summer 2014
Retro title: Fall 2014
3D Mario: Fall 2014
Zelda U: Spring 2015
2014 will be killer, that's for sure. Titles likely to be announced in the future:
Donkey Kong (E3)
Pokemon Stadium like game (E3) -> release holiday 2013
Metroid Other M style (Team Ninja) (early 2014)
Monster games arcade racer
Dragon Quest 11 (2015)
Something Chrystal Chronicles
Fatal Frame
1st party wish list:
Kid Icarus U
Art Academy
Music Academy
Major Metroid Reboot
Everything just a shot in the wild, of course.
Wii Fit U: Spring 2013
Wii U Party: Summer 2013
Mario Kart: Holiday 2013
Megaten X Fire Emblem: Spring 2014
Bayonetta 2: Spring 2014
Smash (Wii U): Summer 2014
X: Summer 2014
Retro title: Fall 2014
3D Mario: Fall 2014
Zelda U: Spring 2015
2014 will be killer, that's for sure. Titles likely to be announced in the future:
Donkey Kong (E3)
Pokemon Stadium like game (E3) -> release holiday 2013
Metroid Other M style (Team Ninja) (early 2014)
Monster games arcade racer
Dragon Quest 11 (2015)
Something Chrystal Chronicles
Fatal Frame
1st party wish list:
Kid Icarus U
Art Academy
Music Academy
Major Metroid Reboot
Everything just a shot in the wild, of course.
Samurai_Heart
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I have no idea where this article quote came from but if you can't even get a company's name right then you deserve no credibility and their opinions will be null.
I think that series is dead after the failure of Crystal Bearers. In fact, after that game, the team was put to work on Mario Sports Mix. Fumiaki Shiraishi, lead programmer of FFCC: My Life as a King, said he wanted to make a new Actraiser when MLaaK was released. This would be a personal megaton for me. World building on the GamePad? Yes, please! Just make sure to get Yuzo Koshiro back on board for the soundtrack.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
About that...
TheUnknownForce
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1. While possible, the move wasn't set to happen until February, from the report we got before. This would not have led both games to be delayed, as I'm certain G&W was set to be released for either Jan or Feb. While it might be a factor, it could be that business decision delays were made to push games into the next FY.
2. You can think that, but it would be a terrible decision on Nintendo's part to have an HD remake and Wii Sports U and a completely new-to-the-US IP fight off against the launch of Durango and Orbis (or at least one of them). Those launches are going to be massive, and if Nintendo can't release anything to stave off buyers, they are in a bad bad place. And Tomodachi Collection 2 is staying in Japan. It is a huge seller, but it is way too focused on Japanese culture. Nintendo knows all of the above, and regardless of the timeframe involved, they *will* get one of the two games out for the holiday, one way or another. They got both Mario 3D Land and MK7 out in a year-and-a-half time or so before...
3. In another post you mentioned how we didn't see certain people from the SMG1 and SMG2 teams in a while. Well...this could be the game they were working on. SM3DL is going to be 2 years old this holiday, which would be a bit short of a timeframe for a new from-the-ground-up Mario title. New franchises would be nice, but new IPs don't just happen in Nintendo's highest development areas, especially when they need people to buy their systems.
4. Agree. GREZZO is either making a Majora's Mask 3D or a brand new handheld Zelda with Nintendo supervision. Or they could be doing all the legwork for WWHD.
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On that note, here is what I see happening going forward.
LEGO City Undercover (by TT Fusion) - March, already confirmed.
Game & Wario (SPD & Intelligent Systems) - April, game has been pushed at previous NDs as though it were coming soon, now it has a release date in JPN, etc.
Wii Fit U (EAD Group 5) - May, game boxart has been released, NDs have shown Fitmeter and Miiverse features, showing game is very near completion. Won't be at E3.
Pikmin 3 (EAD Group 4) - Could be released June, post-E3, Nintendo has shown Miiverse elements and originally said Pikmin 3 was Q2 as of the early December ND. Could slip to August if Nintendo finds another June release. E3 or March ND will fully disclose more features.
Wii U Party (Nd Cube) - July/August, said this ND to release this summer, gameplay looks almost entirely complete. Does this confirm 2 teams at Nd Cube with Mario Party 9 released only a year and a half earlier? Or is Wii U Party that quick a game to develop?
The Wonderful 101 (Platinum Games) - July/August, the game looks more polished but still has no completed logo or other elements disclosed such as possible multiplayer or Miiverse. Nintendo might do fuller blowout at E3 amid the other big hitters. Could swap places with Pikmin 3, too.
The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD (EAD Group 3 / GREZZO / ??) - September/October, this game is set for Fall this year, and looking at models, the game is not being fully remade. I do think it will not have new dungeons but will surely have a few added tweaks and whatnot to make the game better near the end. This was supposed to be E3 unveiled as the game was shown in very early screens this week.
Yoshi's Yarn/Land (Good-Feel / Tezuka Supervising) - October/November, filling in the 2nd-tier Nintendo game for the holiday is Yoshi, it will have been 3 years since KEY, so it is a fitting time frame, game has been rumored since late 2011. This was an E3 reveal as there was only beta videos with barely any gameplay displayed.
I think those are pretty close to correct and anything else is purely going to be unknown at this point.
New 3D Mario (EAD Tokyo) - While SM3DL is only 2 years old, there could have been more development of Wii U Mario in the background, or there is some collaboration this time around, too.
New Mario Kart (EAD Group 1) - MK7 will have been 2 years old by this holiday. Could have more Retro assistance. Also, like MKWii, could be released in mid-2014 to fill the gap in that period.
Bayonetta 2 (Platinum Games) - Game is very early yet. Will see another teaser at E3. Expect 2014 release.
Smash Bros. (Sora / Namco-Bandai) - Still early, so much so we only see screenshots this E3. Suspect Late 2014 release. 3DS game might release first.
X (Monolithsoft) - This was not a hasted announcement, as there was a full trailer prepped for this game's unveiling. Perhaps it was meant for a couple weeks later, but it was ready to reveal unlike WWHD and Yoshi. Game has been in development for about 2.5 years. Expect release in Japan by late 2013 or early 2014. US release mid-to-late 2014.
SMTxFE (Atlus / Intelligent Systems) - Concept teaser, mid 2014 at earliest.
New Zelda (EAD Group 3) - Discussion of game, no info, late 2015 expected.
That leaves a few Nintendo developers unattended: Retro Studios (2-3 year development), Alpha Dream (3 years missing, 3DS), some SPD groups (3DS most likely), Monster Games (2 years hidden, could be 3DS/Wii U), NST (Crosswords does not make them, but might be a year off from next bigger game).
Considering that, I think Retro's Game and the New 3D Mario game will fill the year end schedule for Wii U.
Good post, agree with your conclusion on the big holiday games, though I also suspect Nintendo will have Wii U Sports or something similiar for the expanded audience.
I don't get it... what is the point of this?
Lord_Byron28
Member
Agreed with everything in general.
March-Lego City
April- Game & Wario
May- Wii Fit U
June- Pikmin 3
July- Wii Party U
August- The Wonderful 101
September- LoZ: WW HD
October- Yoshi
November- New 3D Mario
Early 2014- Mario Kart
Mid 2014- Bayo 2 & X(released in japan for holiday season 2013)
Late 2014- SSB and SMT x FE (released in early-mid 2014)
There's still some surprises in regards to what they are developing. 3D Mario or Mario Kart has to make it out by this holiday season or Nintendo is in far worse shape. If they release 3D Mario for the holiday season I suspect a casual title will also be released. There also I suspect is a small number of 3rd party surprises (emphasis on small).
They would have a problem with announcing it if they wanted to keep some cards close though. Mario, Zelda, Smash, and Kart were all games that we knew were coming (and some have been already confirmed in case we couldn't guess it), so talking about them in the Direct wasn't too big of a deal. Retro's work and Metroid's status as a franchise have been a total unknown in comparison, warranting some secrecy still.
lunchwithyuzo
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I still think Diddy Kong Racing Returns might be real, in which case Mario Kart 8 would likely get pushed out to 2H 2014.
Why do you think that? There is not even a hint of that game, and if it is in development we would have already seen it in the last ND
No it doesn't mean we would have seen it in the last ND. We know Retro is working on something, but we haven't seen it in the ND. It could be an E3 surprise.
Retro is working on Diddy Kong Racing Returns lol
Would they make it for Wii U and 3DS if Diddy Kong Racing Returns and promote the connectivity?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
We didn't see any Retro games in the last ND, I guess they don't have any in development then.
Hell, I think DKRR might actually be a 2nd Retro project, rather than Monster Games (which was the rumor).
But retro making a racing game? I refuse to believe lol I think they are developing a metroid game and maybe a star fox one. I feel like the diddy kong racing franchise is dead and there are more different racing IPs that Nintendo is able to use if they want to offer something that is not mario kartWe didn't see any Retro games in the last ND, I guess they don't have any in development then.
Hell, I think DKRR might actually be a 2nd Retro project, rather than Monster Games (which was the rumor).
BruiserBear
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I think that's a convenient excuse, but spacing out releases has been Nintendo's tactic for more than a decade. I think those delays are purely to fill out 2013, because they only have a handful of exclusives to go around.
For further evidence of this look no further than their recent Virtual Console announcement. They admit they've got their NES emulator up and running, so what do they do? They release a single game in Balloon Fight. At a time when the console desperately needs content, they chose that as the first priority. Then we'll get one game per month from there.
You would think they would react by having a great year one lineup ready, starting with the launch, but in fact they delivered a launch that was notably lacking compared to the GameCube and N64.
Nintendo does not learn from mistakes. They are literally repeating the exact same mistakes they made with the 3DS. Very high price, lacking launch lineup, no virtual console day one, and a sparse lineup for year one.
lunchwithyuzo
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Retro's recently taken stewardship of DK with the amazing DKCR and they recently helped out EAD1 on Mario Kart 7. They've also expanded quite a bit over the past couple years, to the point where they now have two fully functioning R&D teams. Put two and two together.
I feel like if Star Fox U happens, it'll be Kamiya's game after W101.
Sorry, I had forgotten that they helped with mario kart 7, then it makes sense having a diddy kong racing, but maybe they'll rename it donkey kong racingRetro's recently taken stewardship of DK with the amazing DKCR and they recently helped out EAD1 on Mario Kart 7. They've also expanded quite a bit over the past couple years, to the point where they now have two fully functioning R&D teams. Put two and two together.
I feel like if Star Fox U happens, it'll be Kamiya's game after W101.
casinoman921
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Mario Kart and 3D Mario likely playable at E3 stood out to me the most. Sounds like they've been working on these for a while. Maybe Mario Kart will see a December release, like Mario Kart 7 did for the 3DS.
Retro's recently taken stewardship of DK with the amazing DKCR and they recently helped out EAD1 on Mario Kart 7. They've also expanded quite a bit over the past couple years, to the point where they now have two fully functioning R&D teams. Put two and two together.
I feel like if Star Fox U happens, it'll be Kamiya's game after W101.
Has this actually been confirmed or are we still simply assuming their 'expansion' (which we've only really heard about from LinkedIn snooping) has now got to the point where they can manage two teams on two different in-house projects?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
With a 2-3 year dev cycle for the more elaborate games, I find it doubtful that Nintendo could have done anything to reorient many aspects of Wii U's launch due to the reaction to the 3DS launch - despite a great deal of effort in many quarters to classify NSMB U and Ninendoland as disposable trash or at least completely mediocre, those are not insignificant titles.
This is kind of like all the people complaining Nintendo should have changed the name six months from launch - unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
High price - no, not really. $50 more than the Wii for the basic package. The perception that Wii U is horribly overpriced seems to stem from opinions that it should cost like $200 tops because it's "seven year old technology!" and the gamepad and all related tech is free. A better argument might be that if Nintendo was going to eat anything (because they're already eating something, however small), Nintendoland should have been a pack-in with the base model, and something else such as NSMB U or even Zombi U should have been a pack-in with the deluxe system in all western territories as a standard SKU.
No virtual console at launch is also a pretty legitimate complaint, though it falls into the same general category as system software and OS issues - there was probably always going to be a bottleneck there as Nintendo is having to catch up on a hornet's nest of software and OS technology and was clearly still in development of core features right up until launch week.
Sparse year one titles - remains to be seen until E3, though it remains a possibility. As has been tabulated elsewhere though, the many comparisons of "packed" launch and launch window software line-ups between Wii U, and N64, Gamecube, and Wii seem to be tilted by nostalgia. All those consoles had "droughts" to some degree in their first full year. Nintendo consoles are traditionally slow to get going.
Then there's the issue that the system's launch line up is in fact packed with major, content heavy and even mature titles - which gets disparaged often by the enthusiast crowd since many of those folks played those games six months to a year prior on their Xbox 360 or PS3. Objectively, it's still a better launch line-up than the typical console launch which involves one major title in which a lot of resources and effort were expended, surrounded by a cloud of completely disposable trash product rushed out the door and created by D-level teams.
A big gap however between December and February was not good though, there's no doubt about that. If I were Nintendo, I really would have tried to work with Capcom more to have gotten Monster Hunter out in the west in December or in January. (Yet, as we know now, Capcom has been quite busy readying a major patch with much-needed features for Monster Hunter - still, getting it out with the implicit knowledge that the additional features were in the pipeline might have helped.)
lunchwithyuzo
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I could see that, but I'd also expect them to play on the nostalgia angle "DKR Returns" would bring. Donkey Kong would still probably be in the game anyway.
I thought GAFers in-the-know had more or less confirmed the same? But I'll admit I've only paid attention casually, maybe someone keeping better track could elaborate?
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
This year is going to be fantastic. Predictions:
Rayman Legends - February - Not actually a prediction due to confirmation.
Lego City - March - Same as Rayman.
Game & Wario - April
Pikmin 3 - May
Wonderful 101 - June
Wii Party U - July - This one's a shot in the dark. Nothing was really said afaik, so I have nothing to go off of.
Yoshi Yarn - August
Wind Waker HD - September
Wii Sports U - October
Legend of Diddy Kong Acid Prime Returns (Retro Studios) - November
3D Mario - November/December
Mario Kart, Betrayalnetta, X (may release this year in Japan), and possibly SSBU - 2014
Rayman Legends - February - Not actually a prediction due to confirmation.
Lego City - March - Same as Rayman.
Game & Wario - April
Pikmin 3 - May
Wonderful 101 - June
I know ;_;
Wii Party U - July - This one's a shot in the dark. Nothing was really said afaik, so I have nothing to go off of.
Yoshi Yarn - August
Wind Waker HD - September
Wii Sports U - October
Legend of Diddy Kong Acid Prime Returns (Retro Studios) - November
3D Mario - November/December
Mario Kart, Betrayalnetta, X (may release this year in Japan), and possibly SSBU - 2014
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
In my world, Monster is reviving FZero and Kamiya is reviving Star Fox. It's lots of fun here.
Bayonetta 2 will be a 2013 title. It was in development for years prior to switching to WiiU; Platinum confirmed a great deal of work has already been done. Nintendo knows how pivotal this title is with the hardcores, hence they've been teasing it piecemeal. It's not because they have nothing to show -- in fact, JP from Platinum said here that he saw Bayo 2 footage and required a power-lifter to raise his dropped jaw! -- but E3 will mark the beginning of a deluge of media, and then it will hit in time to try and distract from Orbis/Durango.
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
Sure, it's likely that it could be released this year; I'm just not sure the timing would be right. An early-2014 release would be better imo.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
You mean, they can't just hit a button and make a game?
I think the deluxe is already attractive enough. I could argue that the base model needs to go but I'm guessing Nintendo wants to use that as a way to drop the price over time and make money. Just looking at what the deluxe gets you, it has to be a money sink or right on the button.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
As much as I love Monster, I think they'd be better suited for Wave Race, 1080° or another Excite! game.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
The Deluxe/MH3U/ZombiU SKUs accounting for 75-85% of the sales for the markets we've gotten info from tells me price or value isn't the main issue with Wii U. In fact the Basic model likely helps elevate that perception, making the Deluxe appear to be a better value by comparison. I'd expect way more price complaints were it just the $350 Deluxe on shelves, despite that being the model most want to buy by overwhelming margins.
Or a combo of them (Wave Race EXCITE!).
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