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[gofreak]

So are these 4 CUs being reserved to compensate for Jaguar's potential performance shortfall?

They're not being reserved.

They just have to be used more explicitly in your code. If I'm writing my rendering code, I make library calls, and the library and hardware take care of the rest. The GPU splits the work up per vertex or per group of fragments, or whatever, and schedules the threads and executes them.

These 4 CUs won't operate under that regime. They won't mix in 'automagically' to the work you do through the graphics libraries. You'll have to set up the work explicitly, separately, for those 4 CUs.

The work could be whatever you want that a CU can do - graphics or GPGPU. So they're not being 'reserved' per se, they're not being prescribed for any one particular use. However the motivation for splitting the CUs out of a hardware managed regime is so that if you want to do GPGPU, you don't have to leave the scheduling and context switching up to a hardware balancer that might not do things optimally when mixing graphics and compute tasks.

"I think"

 

[Proelite]

Elaborate?

The triangles, and vertices rate.

 

[Kerub]

Will this be an orb?

 

[NMFried]

Where da pics at?! Seriously though, let me see this sleek new 'evolved' DualShock.

 

[Reiko]

If these numbers are right, the Durango GPU is actually better when it comes to pure graphics.

Someone leak Durango specs NAO.

 

[Dr Dogg]

UK is definitely feeling getting bent over. :/.

Ah I'm pretty sure chatting to the folks in work we're used to getting shaft for the $ to £ conversion and now there's the € to contend with. Just look at the evolution of console launch prices (rough estimates I'm afraid but close enough):-

Megadrive - £100
SNES - £150
Saturn - £200
PlayStation -£250
N64 -£250
Dreamcast -£200
Playstation 2 -£300
Xbox - £300
GameCube - £180
Xbox 360 - £200/£300
PlayStation 3 - £425

 

[Horse Armour]

If these numbers are right, the Durango GPU is actually better when it comes to pure graphics.

How did Sony go from a 50% more powerful GPU to a slower one in less than a week.

 

[Baconsammy]

Don Mattrick in panic mode right now, changing the console's RAM as we speak

Yeah, I'm sure Don is in a real panic. LOL. Anything we're finding out about today, they've each known about each other for months.

 

[phosphor112]

Seems like the Cell parts some hoped for aren't int there Too bad.

They aren't final.

Spoiler

believe =[

 

[Radec]

So...

What did they unveiled?

 

[Pistolero]

If these numbers are right, the Durango GPU is actually better when it comes to pure graphics.

Expected to say the least. It shouldn't much of a problem for Microsoft to outperform Sony going by these specs. The meltdowns will be glorious!

 

[Orayn]

So what is the orbis? Basically a ps4?

Current codename for the next PlayStation console, yes. Some people think it might not be called the PS4, just like the Vita wasn't the PSP2.

 

[iceatcs]

Maybe it is what MS seeing.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

I would honestly not be surprised, but I don't think it'll happen. It's too late for a change. Unless... does anyone know when it is that Microsoft doubled the 360's RAM after Epic and others pushed for it ? How close were they to launch ?

2004. A full year before launch.

 

[DopeyFish]

Huh.... how interesting.

but orbis would have advantage in physics/tessellation though

durango advantage in shaders

unknown about texturing or geometry yet tho, but assume orbis advantage on both

The triangles, and vertices rate.

or not

 

[Takamura-San]

Actual serious question:

All these specs are fine and dandy.

Do we have any documentation about how easy is this to develop for?

If i'm not mistaken Ps2 and Ps3 were development hell.

 

[FrankT]

The triangles, and vertices rate.

Do tell.

 

[ShdwDrake]

Where are my 16GB of RAM?

GAF told me they could get that for cheap on newegg.

DDR3 ram this is GDDR5 which is crazy fast.

 

[Reiko]

How did Sony go from a 50% more powerful GPU to a slower one in less than a week.

When reading rumors and not final specs it might seem that way.

Assuming whatever we read is final.

Specs go up or down.

 

[Korosenai]

Current codename for the next PlayStation console, yes. Some people think it might not be called the PS4, just like the Vita wasn't the PSP2.

Oh ok. I havent really payed any attention to the next gen consoles so I wasnt sure exactly what it was.

 

[Dragon]

Expected to say the least. It shouldn't much of a problem for Microsoft to outperform Sony going by these specs. The meltdowns will be glorious!

I don't even...yeah.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

It's all rather irrelevant. What I want to know is will the system still be home to the linear, cinematic snoozefests that plagued this generation. Specs by themselves are meaningless. Power won't necessarily correlate to creativity.

It'll also depend what's in Microsoft's box. The lower-spec machine will be the standard. Publishers aren't going to gamble on one platform with development costs being what they are.

Also, I agree that if Sony is only releasing one SKU and it doesn't follow the subsidy/subscription model, they're setting themselves up for a world o' hurt.

 

[mrklaw]

1.8TFs was bad enough, now we're down to 1.4? Eugh... What did gamers do to deserve this?

developers can probably use it for rendering too, so you're back up to 1.8 if you don't need the power for physics or other stuff.

Interesting if Durango also has a reserved CU. Starting to get very similar other than RAM choice.
- 8 Jaguar cores at 1.6GHz
- 12/14 GCN CUs for graphics
- 4CUs for 'other stuff' (compute/GPGPU)
- ancillary hardware for audio/decompression/video encode&decode.

 

[LuuKyK]

Expected to say the least. It shouldn't much of a problem for Microsoft to outperform Sony going by these specs. The meltdowns will be glorious!

Wishful thinking?

 

[The Omega Man]

Yeah, I'm sure Don is in a real panic. LOL. Anything we're finding out about today, they've each known about each other for months.

 

[Krabardaf]

Sony should should put 16Gig flash on all SKU's and sell one with no hard drive so we can add our own. At least with 16 Gig, you can still use the system if you stick to just Blu-Ray discs until you feel like adding a drive. This let's them have a cheaper SKU.

This will never never happen, not even in the craziest dream. It's 2013 and all games will be released online. No way all units, even entry price, doesn't come with a big HDD.
Although i agree a SSD could have been neat, but most likely a costly extra.

 

[i-Lo]

They're not being reserved.

They just have to be used more explicitly in your code. If I'm writing my rendering code, I make library calls, and the library and hardware take care of the rest. The GPU splits the work up per vertex or per group of fragments, or whatever, and schedules the threads and executes them.

These 4 CUs won't operate under that regime. They won't mix in 'automagically' to the work you do through the graphics libraries. You'll have to set up the work explicitly, separately, for those 4 CUs.

The work could be whatever you want that a CU can do - graphics or GPGPU. So they're not being 'reserved' per se, they're not being prescribed for any one particular use. However the motivation for splitting the CUs out of a hardware managed regime is so that if you want to do GPGPU, you don't have to leave the scheduling and context switching up to a hardware balancer that might not do things optimally when mixing graphics and compute tasks.

"I think"

That was a satisfactory explanation. Thank you.

The triangles, and vertices rate.

A Pitcairn derivative being outperformed by Cape Verde derivative. This one needs to be seen.

 

[BloodMoney]

Sony should should put 16Gig flash on all SKU's and sell one with no hard drive so we can add our own. At least with 16 Gig, you can still use the system if you stick to just Blu-Ray discs until you feel like adding a drive. This let's them have a cheaper SKU.

I totally agree, but think it very unlikely. I just hope the system retains the ability to swap the drives.

 

[orientalNoodle]

What is the use of all this power when the PS4 will have no game?

 

[BaroqueSampson]

Someone leak Durango specs NAO.

Uhhhhhhhhh

http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durango-unveiled-2/

 

[lilbaby Jesus]

How many WiiUs is this?

POST of thread. SHUT it down!

 

[Reiko]

Wishful thinking?

Maybe. But this isn't the first time this has happened.

DF articles were a painful read for PS3 multiplats in the beginning.

Uhhhhhhhhh

http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durango-unveiled-2/

Not full specs...

 

[mrklaw]

Seriously this article looks like it was written by fanboys. GAF points out that 14CUs makes no sense and magically the article is updated with new info that says there are now 4 extra compute CUs to make 18.

I don't believe VGLeaks after this and getting the Blu-ray spec wrong.

or they're just clarifying because us and other readers were confused?

 

[MaulerX]

not really.
since this whole 14 + 4 CUs thing is new, durango could be 8 + 4.

Durango doesn't have Compute Units. They have Shader Cores. LOL. At least that's what they're calling them. "12 Shader Cores providing a total of 768 threads". Not sure what that means though...

 

[Orayn]

It's all rather irrelevant. What I want to know is will the system still be home to the linear, cinematic snoozefests that plagued this generation. Specs by themselves are meaningless. Power won't necessarily correlate to creativity.

It'll also depend what's in Microsoft's box. The lower-spec machine will be the standard. Publishers aren't going to gamble on one platform with development costs being what they are.

Also, I agree that if Sony is only releasing one SKU and it doesn't follow the subsidy/subscription model, they're setting themselves up for a world o' hurt.

There's a lot to be excited for, and a lot to fear. I feel that if Sony and/or Microsoft open things up on the DD front and catch up to some good practices currently employed by Nintendo and Valve, we'll see more and better independent games which will take the sting out of the current direction of retail software. If MS and Sony remain obstinate and things stay the same or get worse, well... I hope people like $60 games with $50 season passes and microtranscations everywhere.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

Ah yes, Dragonball Z power level comparisons, the universal language.

 

[RoyalFool]

Don Mattrick in panic mode right now, changing the console's RAM as we speak

I'm pretty sure they all know each others plans pretty well, the dev kits are in plenty of hands and it'd be commercial suicide to attend E3 with a new console if you don't already have some idea of what your competitor is going to show, from what I'm aware they basically visit bars and buy people a lot of drinks until they get some specs.

After all, it's in the developers interest that both machines can run the same games without too many changes - so leaking the specs helps pretty much everyone.

 

[AranhaHunter]

I wonder if sony or wiiu will add voice control. Most of what the kinect does outside of games is voice control. Sony already has the pseye. It would be a way to cut into that market without the expense of kinect.

Sony already did it for Singstar in 2009. I think it's out now if you have the Singstar game, obviously they could work this to work with The Eye HD and the PS4 OS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TaUsSy-f0Y

What are the advantages of a smaller but faster ram over a slower but bigger one?
would 8GB GDDR5 be very expensive? And 6GB?
I think that Microsoft with their living room console media box needs an huge amount of ram to run an heavy OS like a Windows Xbox.
Anyway why 5GB GDDR3 are inferior to 3.5GB GDDR5? The difference in speed is so relevant? And what's the role of the fast EDRAM?

I want to know this also.

IMHO, I still think it's a huge mistake for Sony to not include more RAM. 8GB DDR5 might be overkill, but 6GB DDR5 with 1GB (before optimization) dedicated to OS would be the sweet spot.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Maybe. But this isn't the first time this has happened.

DF articles were a painful read for PS3 multiplats in the beginning.

Well that won't be a problem this time should be rather close .
Nothing new or amazing in these specs .

 

[The Omega Man]

I would honestly not be surprised, but I don't think it'll happen. It's too late for a change. Unless... does anyone know when it is that Microsoft doubled the 360's RAM after Epic and others pushed for it ? How close were they to launch ?

yo might be right, but if a desperate buff if needed while not much time left, the RAM is the cheapest and fastest way to go.

 

[Piggus]

Expected to say the least. It shouldn't much of a problem for Microsoft to outperform Sony going by these specs. The meltdowns will be glorious!

I don't know why you think this. Sony already said they'd let Microsoft make the first move. I don't think Sony wants to be in the position of having subpar 3rd party games again, and with the similar architectures this time around I don't see them having that issue. You also need to consider the possibility of the next Xbox having Kinect in every box. If that happens, what makes you think they can sell a more powerful system at a reasonable price without taking a big loss?

 

[LukasTaves]

VGLEAKS updated their latest Orbis article! More GPU info:
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-orbis-unveiled/

That vertex rate seems in line with GCN... I was hoping that they (they being both Ms and Sony) would modify the tessellation engine for better performance :/

Guess not XD

 

[Valnen]

If these numbers are right, the Durango GPU is actually better when it comes to pure graphics.

Disappointing. REALLY disappointing.

 

[nib95]

The triangles, and vertices rate.

Don't think those figures have been released for Durango.


Side note people, bare in mind

attention: for some reason the ROPS and the texture units are devided by 4.

8 backends x 4 ROPs per backend = 32 ROPs.
18 texture units * 4 = 72 texture units.

 

[brandonh83]

That vertex rate seems in line with GCN... I was hoping that they (they being both Ms and Sony) would modify the tessellation engine for better performance :/

Guess not XD

the way that gif you quoted played out with the way I read your post was amazing.

 

[ShinAmano]

Ah yes, Dragonball Z power level comparisons, the universal language.

Lol ..I have no idea what any of them mean at all. Never saw or cared to see any dbz.

 

[DopeyFish]

Disappointing. REALLY disappointing.

not really, both are beasts with different strengths

 

[Razgreez]

If these numbers are right, the Durango GPU is actually better when it comes to pure graphics.

Expected to say the least. It shouldn't much of a problem for Microsoft to outperform Sony going by these specs. The meltdowns will be glorious!

Proelite seems to know very little for someone who indulges in a know-it all attitude (winks, vaguely assertive comments, flip-flop stances...), me thinks...

Fine to accept what he's typing when you agree with it. The contrary when you don't

 

[starchild excalibur]

I've stopped thinking i understand how powerful a system is since the dropping of "bits" as a measure of power.

But from what i do understand this looks quite nice.

 

[Phonomezer]

Where are the Durango leaks? I thought MS was the "leaky ship"