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VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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MikeE21286
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No I understand inflation. Also look at the Wii.
The console space I feel is different than before with outside pressures. Plus they psychology of it all...
XtremeXpider
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And I'm saying we don't know all details, I'm not saying they will change they plans.
Iacobellis
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Yes I said that, but specifically for graphics, the 4CU outside the GPU will be far better at GPGPU.
Maybe the specs leaked for Durango are wrong?
PC Gaming Sucks
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Genji 3: more giant enemy crabs
launch title for PS4. You heard it hear first folks.
launch title for PS4. You heard it hear first folks.
Paddington Bear
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Hell yes!!!!! I love it
R10Neymarfan
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I really wish the GPU was halfway between an 8850 and 8870, but console specs do change constantly and maybe, just maybe we will see the new HSA GPUs in the final product.
Some guys do rubber ducks... some guys do tattoos...
BruceLeeRoy
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Get excited baby!
I'm expecting more actual games to be shown that were used to.
Can Crusher
Banned
Same here. I'm kind of hoping for an official announcement shortly before E3 with tech demos then have E3 be a game blowout. If it's launching within 6 months of E3 a lot games have to be in a good state to show by then.
Manmademan
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apparently you don't. this is the way inflation works.
everything was cheaper back in 1991, and people made less money on average. So spending $199 was *just as painful* as spending $351.00 today. "psychology" included. At some point inflation will hit the point where we're all paying $1000 for a console, and people will look back and say the PS3 launching at $599 was cheap, because consoles all cost $1000 now. NO.
As for the Wii, it's price is higher than it's specs would suggest, because nintendo decided to focus on an expensive tablet controller. No one really knows how much it's costing them, but another gaffer was charged $280 for a replacement, so that should be a hint.
Honestly i don't know. But i doubt psych x cards were amazing in hardware spec. Just dedicated hardware for only phys should be very big boost same as didicated hardware for audio is much better than build in.
Honestly, if Sony wants a huge edge, they'd need exclusives.
With MS being so much more resourceful than Sony, that's not gonna happen.
1st party Sony games will be amazing.
For the rest, it's going to be the lowest common denominator all over again.
Unless we got major batrayaltons by Japanese developers, somekind of a revolution.
I mean, how much better would a PS4-exclusive Final Fantasy be ?
Excite !
With MS being so much more resourceful than Sony, that's not gonna happen.
1st party Sony games will be amazing.
For the rest, it's going to be the lowest common denominator all over again.
Unless we got major batrayaltons by Japanese developers, somekind of a revolution.
I mean, how much better would a PS4-exclusive Final Fantasy be ?
Excite !
BruceLeeRoy
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Tripp Daily
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I'm a little behind on my reading, so excuse my question if it has been asked.
How much more difficult does this make development? This sounds more labor intensive when you have to code for the individual cus.
(I know next to nothing about programming)
oversitting
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What ever makes people sleep easier at night.
AMD have multiple teams for the GPUs and cpu. The CPU is x86 so I think they can only do so much due to the way intel holds the rights to x86.
I wouldn't really say the Wii won yet either. It has been pushed to release a year earlier. And it has won by a very small margin compared to the previous gens.
Incomparable because physX is pretty broken. Probably a 650 or something if you really want to compare. With low level hardware access, they can do much more than physx.
That would be awesome. I'd love it if devs could talk freely about next gen goals and tech at GDC.
THE:MILKMAN
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Not gonna happen. Games have been worked on for 2 years plus. They will be finished by Nov and Sony can't afford to have finished games hanging around gathering dust or paying devs to twiddle their thumbs.
These Consoles could have been launched last autumn remember.
moneyman232
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1313 looks more next gen than watch dogs IMO, look at things like trees in watch dogs, if they can pull MGS: Ground Zeroes on current gen they can do watch dogs as well. The 1313 models look way too good to be doable on ps3/360
oversitting
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Well, Sony can announce some games but I think they still have a lot of current gens this year which means they might be a bit late for first party next gen games.
MS and Sony have their own targets, AMD is just an enabler.
iceatcs
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Well if GC vs xbox. That is quite different too. 8 Gflops vs 5.8 Gflops. 43MB vs 64MB
Well I'm imagining it'll be to some degree more like threading on CPUs than on GPUs, where on the latter it's transparently handled for you.
So yes, that's one of the tradeoffs - greater programmer burden to use those CUs effectively.
edit - actually, that could well be an incorrect assumption. There may still be hardware balancing, just independent of the other 14 CUs. But you would still have to address that group of CUs separately in one way or another, so that is 'more work' vs throwing everything through one interface.
Sony couldn't use the processor they were originally aiming for so they went with one that would enable easier porting between the machines.
Psychotext
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Better get ready to make a ton of sandwiches next gen.
8x the memory, only 1.5x to 3.0x the read speed on the blu-ray drive.
8x the memory, only 1.5x to 3.0x the read speed on the blu-ray drive.
BTW this is old demo for Ageia Psych X (fully playable for people who bought their cards).
It is old but scale of physic considering it is still normal looking game is amazing.
I think those 4CU could do better job now for physic than old Ageia cards
It is old but scale of physic considering it is still normal looking game is amazing.
I think those 4CU could do better job now for physic than old Ageia cards
MikeE21286
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No I absolutely do. I know what the CPI is etc.
What I'm saying is that the external forces on people's discretionary income (that would be used to buy a console) are different than what they were before.
Also, when I said Wii, I was talking about the "Wii" not the "WiiU"
Wrong .. how is PhysX broken? Also 4CUs != 650, so many assumptions in there ..
Exclusives on PS3 tend to interest me way more compared to 360, if Sony keeps it up for next-gen I'll be happy.
I'm thinking that those 4CU's arent actually gimped, they'll just require a little more special care/handling if you want to use them for graphics rendering. I think that they're just equipped with specialized hardware to help them do GPGPU tasks better. The only "gimped" aspect about them is the extra care that would be needed to use them in more traditional ways.
Manmademan
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Not really. "external forces on discretionary income" don't really change, unless you're talking recession specific pressures, and there were recessions in the late 80s and the 90s as well.
And if you were speaking of the Wii and not the WiiU, you'd know that nintendo built a significant profit margin into the hardware on that, whereas microsoft and sony do not. It's price is ALSO inflated.
Clay Davis
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haven't they been confirmed by a number of insiders?
one of thuway's sources. it's posted in the thread.
on paper maybe, but it wasn't noticeable in game visuals. resident evil 4, remake, star wars titles, etc.
Death Dealer
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I don't think you do. Your original post implied the nominal prices are what's important..
And then I brought up inflation and you said:
"$249 in 2006 is about $280 today"
So what is your point, anything higher than Wii launched at in 2006 is too expensive ?
I don't think so.
Wii-U cost $350 at launch and some people are whining about potentially paying $400 for a PS4 ?
Get out of here. Get a second job etc...
AgentP
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I fail to see your logic. Unless you are talking about teams that are working on current gen games now (Santa Monica, 1/2 of Naughty Dog, ???). There are plenty of 1st party teams who have been strangely silent for a year or two.
SneakyStephan
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Sorry this thread is moving too fast.
Yeah I'm not disregarding the GPUGPU cus, as I tried to explain earlier.
The 1.8 TF downclocked 10 percent cut 7970m rumor was already quite underwhelming, and that was under the assumption that the 'gpgpu' bits would be a bonus on top of that figure, not a part of it.
This news (if it is correct) just made an already underwhelming gpu a bit more dissapointing to me.
Going to say one last time where I'm coming from here:
Downclocked, cut version of 65W small die gpu that in it's uncut laptop form barely compares to an almost 1 year old now 150 euro mid range gpu (don't forget about the jaguar cores on the cpu side) in a console destined to not even be out for another 10-12 months?
All this combined with a basic understanding of the current state of the gpu market which is hugely dissapointing in it's own right.
That is a lot of layers of lowered expectations and dissapointment combined. Somehow if you seperate and isolate them they seem to become easier to accept for a lot of people.
This thing better be cheap.
They probably won't be used for rendering. Physic and helping CPU will be their task. Mainly i think physic.
Grinchy
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I'm so late to this but I'm glad to see Sony isn't going the "shit hardware for profits" route.
Now I'm really pumped to find out what the 720 will be. I feel like MS is going to try to go for Sony's jugular which could be great for us consumers. If MS goes crazy and doesn't put online gaming behind a pay wall, I would be very excited to buy one of their consoles again.
Now I'm really pumped to find out what the 720 will be. I feel like MS is going to try to go for Sony's jugular which could be great for us consumers. If MS goes crazy and doesn't put online gaming behind a pay wall, I would be very excited to buy one of their consoles again.
AgentP
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Or 12-20x for Durango...
You do realize that the Xbox and GC were pretty comparable, much like PS3-360, don't you?
Insane Metal
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It doesn't look that impressive anymore. GT5 looks better than that.
Lord Error
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Where did he say that, and why would that even be the case?
Xenon
Member
It's just weird to go from completely different CPUs to standardized for next gen. I would assume MS and Sony would have been aware of this fact before the decided to use the chips.
R10Neymarfan
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lol they don't even make slow blu ray drives anymore. At least:
4x speed for Durango
6x speed for Orbis, and 4x speed for BDXL
fuzzyreactor
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I'm sure we will see some new franchises. TLoU is prob going to have a sequel on PS4. Hopefully they revive some older franchises like syphon filter, jak, dark cloud, Mark of the Kri, wild arms, jet moto, etc. Can't wait to see Killzone 4