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[Raist]

You were just referring to GAF? Well, then no. That conversation will likely end with this thread. I thought you were referring to the gaming market as a whole, which has proven time and time again that they care a lot less about graphics than enthusiasts.

It's not just GAF. I mean, that's why sites life DF exist.
People who bought a Wii for wii sports etc won't give a shit to begin with.

But we did get to a point where people looked at that japanese garden demo and were already talking about how the WiiU is going to blow the PS3/360 away. Then you get that X.gif thing constantly.

So yes, in that context, the discussion "Is WiiU good enough to best the HD twins' graphical showcases?" is very lively, and both sides keep it going, but by the time that question is concretely asnwered, people will most likely have moved to a whole new standard.

 

[maquiladora]

You don't get rid of your junior any quicker by kissing ass.

Classy.

 

[Mondriaan]

Even when Wii had decent looking titles compared to the generation before it didn't change peoples mind. Nope not in the least bit those who wish to hate nitnendo on this subject have the ammo they want. Nothing will help them in this area unless they have a system equal in spec power and have the real results to show otherwise. That's not a reality most of us can fathom at this point.

There are titles that pretty much end up defining what the expected look of a system's games will be.

For the 360 you had Halo and Gears of War. For the PS3 you had Gran Turismo and Uncharted. For the wii you had Wii Sports. I don't think it had anything to do with hate or the system's perceived power.

 

[DrWong]

You don't get rid of your junior any quicker by kissing ass.

Pachter wants you for his next show.

 

[Zoramon089]

There are titles that pretty much end up definitively defining what the expected look of a system's games will be.

For the 360 you had Halo and Gears of War. For the PS3 you had Gran Turismo and Uncharted. For the wii you had Wii Sports. I don't think it had anything to do with hate or the system's perceived power.

Since when was GT a defining look for the PS3? Uncharted yeah but GT didn't release till way later

 

[AzaK]

Somewhere between 100% and none?

Do some of the people in this thread posting strong opinions realize they're making asses of themselves?

Notice those asses are ones who have been absent from Wii U threads until now.

No.
The Wiiu GPU is an heavily customized one with a lot of parts in it that are not "standard" that are very difficult to calculate however this GPU also have standard parts the same one you likely find in any modern gpu for consoles and pc and so easy to calculate, these parts are a very small part of the Latte and so when calculated they give an even lower number than those of ps3 and 360 but when added to those non-standard parts (the so called fixed functions) they give more power than a PS3 or a 360.
That said since those are non standard parts only the ones who works exclusively on these will gain from their advantages so that makes the work for third parties very hard to porting a title on it and that's probably the reason that multiplatform titles (will) look bad or will not ported at all to the Nintendo console.

TL;DR
Nintendo games will look better than any ps3/360 game, multiplatforms will look the same as ps3/360

Well we don't actually know this. As I think Durante pointed out, there's about as much "extra" stuff in there as a 4870 die just in different locations.

It's not "more detailed", it's showing something completely different. The one they have on sale is only showing the metal layer above. They've sent us that photo as well, it would have been completely worthless. Chipworks went back to the lab and made "real" die shots showing the actual silicon for us. I'm really grateful for that, as what I suggested to buy would have been a huge waste of money. That would have been quite embarrassing...

Phew!

He was sentenced to work for High Voltage.

Nicely done.

I just find it hard to believe that with all the emphasis on gaining third party support...they would do a 180 whoopsie doodle and throw a wrench into all their "hard work". Surely there's something we're missing here...

Not necessarily. The stuff we don't know might be pretty prosaic, and there could be 40 shaders per SIMD which would being it up to about 340GfLops which is in the ballpark of speculation and what we see.

I think there are actually 37MB of memory embedded in the GPU. The small eDRAM pool above MEM1 consists of four blocks, so that's most likely 4MB. And the 32 identical blocks in the top left corner should add up to 1MB of SRAM.
Not really. It's apparently made by Renesas (Chipworks thinks so as well), so almost definitely UX8 - 40nm CMOS. And I'm pretty sure it's manufactured at the Renesas Yamagata plant.

Wsippel, how do I read that orange stuff above MEM1? It looks like 8 blocks to me, or even 16 if you split into the smaller units. Is the 4 interfaces the thing that gives it away?

 

[DragonSworne]

Doesn't SRAM have a little less latency than eDRAM? Would that be worth the added silicon for faster texture access?

It's probably the memory responsible for streaming content to the pad.

It would make sense to use SRAM for that, no?

 

[Baki]

In what universe are you and others living in. Two generations now they could've gutted BC for a better system and they didn't. They won't and regardless if we agree on that won't change their minds.

Lol? I'm bit trying to change their minds! Haha..just stating my opinion.

 

[Version 3.0]

Sounds like they sacrificed spec for BC. They should have given up on BC and gone balls out on the specs instead.

Maybe they did, I don't think this proves that, though. I would say it's pretty clear that BC was important to them, but I don't think you can say that you couldn't keep it and still have better specs. I agree that they don't need it.

 

[Thraktor]

Some thoughts on the off-die interfaces.

We have three varieties of interface:

- One on the bottom half of the right side and the right half of the bottom side. I assume this is the DDR3 controller.

- One along the entire top side and on the top half of the left side. At a guess (although purely a guess) this is the interface with the CPU.

- One on the bottom half of the left side and the top half of the right side. This might be to interface with other components (streaming module, etc?), but it seems odd to have two near identical interfaces on opposite ends of the die.

 

[JaseMath]

You don't get rid of your junior any quicker by kissing ass.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

I bet you could build a PC at the same price that'd be more powerful than the Wii U.

Oh, look, I did:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£86.70 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61N-USB3 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£57.13 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Crucial 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1066 Memory (£8.89 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£36.32 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card (£21.05 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case (£32.38 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £277.79

Premium version is £299, so throw in a cheap taiwanese tablet for under 30 quid and you're good to go. Throw in as many free games you can find in place of a copy of Nintendoland.

Jokes aside (though someone should sell PCs at the price of Wii Us), it is a massive disappointment to hear that Nintendo has made a seemingly absurd decision. It doesn't really matter if they have a ton of custom metal in there, as the more they have customized it the less likely it is to be pushed to its fullest by most developers.

 

[phosphor112]

32 + 4 + 1, so 37MB. I guess.

So is that "3" up top actually a 4mb? Also, where's that 1 coming from?

 

[Version 3.0]

Anyone else think we owe some apologies for "lazy ports"? Maybe there was more work put into those than we thought, to get them running (relatively) decently on this hardware. It doesn't look particularly port-friendly at this point.

 

[Proelite]

Why the hell are we still obsessing over the specs when we have actually games to look at? X looks better than the best of what this generation has to offer.

 

[Zoramon089]

I bet you could build a PC at the same price that'd be more powerful than the Wii U.

Oh, look, I did:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£86.70 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61N-USB3 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£57.13 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Crucial 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1066 Memory (£8.89 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£36.32 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card (£21.05 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case (£32.38 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £277.79

Premium version is £299, so throw in a cheap taiwanese tablet for under 30 quid and you're good to go. Throw in as many free games you can find in place of a copy of Nintendoland.

Jokes aside (though someone should sell PCs at the price of Wii Us), it is a massive disappointment to hear that Nintendo has made a seemingly absurd decision. It doesn't really matter if they have a ton of custom metal in there, as the more they have customized it the less likely it is to be pushed to its fullest by most developers.

Wouldn't this use way more power? Build an equivalent machine that uses around 35w average power

 

[spekkeh]

This thread is one of the reasons why Neogaf is the premier gaming forum on the internet.

No BS, no hyperbole, just the facts laid bare for us to see.

 

[phosphor112]

Why the hell are we still obsessing over the specs when we have actually games to look at? X looks better than the best of what this generation has to offer.

Nope.

 

[Durante]

Why the hell are we still obsessing over the specs when we have actually games to look at? X looks better than the best of what this generation has to offer.

1) That's really hard to say from one video, one way or the other. Some aspects of it aren't very convincing
2) You just came into a thread for discussing specs to complain about people discussing specs, and go off on an unrelated tangent

 

[Thraktor]

Jokes aside (though someone should sell PCs at the price of Wii Us), it is a massive disappointment to hear that Nintendo has made a seemingly absurd decision. It doesn't really matter if they have a ton of custom metal in there, as the more they have customized it the less likely it is to be pushed to its fullest by most developers.

Would you honestly expect most developers to push the console even if it were a 100% "normal" architecture? This strikes me as a console designed to do what Nintendo wants it to do, with third parties allowed along for the ride.

 

[Deszaras]

/reads thread

 

[wsippel]

So is that "3" up top actually a 4mb? Also, where's that 1 coming from?

I think it's four, not three, as there are four identical blocks, and memory macros are usually partitioned that way. The 1MB SRAM are to the left of the top eDRAM pool.

 

[ozfunghi]

AlStrong seems to think it's 320 SPU's... meaning 352 Gflops.

 

[frankie_baby]

I bet you could build a PC at the same price that'd be more powerful than the Wii U.

Oh, look, I did:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£86.70 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61N-USB3 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£57.13 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Crucial 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1066 Memory (£8.89 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£36.32 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card (£21.05 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case (£32.38 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £277.79

Premium version is £299, so throw in a cheap taiwanese tablet for under 30 quid and you're good to go. Throw in as many free games you can find in place of a copy of Nintendoland.

Jokes aside (though someone should sell PCs at the price of Wii Us), it is a massive disappointment to hear that Nintendo has made a seemingly absurd decision. It doesn't really matter if they have a ton of custom metal in there, as the more they have customized it the less likely it is to be pushed to its fullest by most developers.

Needs a bluray drive

 

[SmokyDave]

Kudos to the guys that made this happen, this is some interesting stuff.

 

[pestul]

I bet you could build a PC at the same price that'd be more powerful than the Wii U.

Oh, look, I did:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£86.70 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61N-USB3 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£57.13 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Crucial 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1066 Memory (£8.89 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£36.32 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card (£21.05 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case (£32.38 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £277.79

Premium version is £299, so throw in a cheap taiwanese tablet for under 30 quid and you're good to go. Throw in as many free games you can find in place of a copy of Nintendoland.

Jokes aside (though someone should sell PCs at the price of Wii Us), it is a massive disappointment to hear that Nintendo has made a seemingly absurd decision. It doesn't really matter if they have a ton of custom metal in there, as the more they have customized it the less likely it is to be pushed to its fullest by most developers.

So the zero latency gamepad tech was free I guess? And where's your gaming OS.. oh yeah, linux. Good luck with that (for now).

 

[LCGeek]

There are titles that pretty much end up defining what the expected look of a system's games will be.

For the 360 you had Halo and Gears of War. For the PS3 you had Gran Turismo and Uncharted. For the wii you had Wii Sports. I don't think it had anything to do with hate or the system's perceived power.

Which in no way was as good as Red Steel, Mp3 or SMG Your side loses that argument when you think Wii sports which is casual focus and not a system pusher is an argument best looking when other titles were out. We can knock red steel for shit gameplay but it had some areas that in the generation before we never saw on those console. Everything you mentioned came out a year or two in the cycle of these systems and had the focus of the companies making them.

Despite graphics being the point of what you mentioned not a single titled you mention had the sales of Wii sports. Maybe devs should realize graphics have a real point to a title but aren't the only ones.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I bet you could build a PC at the same price that'd be more powerful than the Wii U.

Oh, look, I did:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£86.70 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61N-USB3 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£57.13 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Crucial 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1066 Memory (£8.89 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£36.32 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card (£21.05 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case (£32.38 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £277.79

Premium version is £299, so throw in a cheap taiwanese tablet for under 30 quid and you're good to go. Throw in as many free games you can find in place of a copy of Nintendoland.

Jokes aside (though someone should sell PCs at the price of Wii Us), it is a massive disappointment to hear that Nintendo has made a seemingly absurd decision. It doesn't really matter if they have a ton of custom metal in there, as the more they have customized it the less likely it is to be pushed to its fullest by most developers.

Crysis 1680 High 4xAA
Radeon HD 5450
5.4fps

I think I'd rather get a Wii U.

 

[v1oz]

I bet you could build a PC at the same price that'd be more powerful than the Wii U.

Oh, look, I did:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£86.70 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61N-USB3 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£57.13 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Crucial 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1066 Memory (£8.89 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£36.32 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card (£21.05 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case (£32.38 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £277.79

Premium version is £299, so throw in a cheap taiwanese tablet for under 30 quid and you're good to go. Throw in as many free games you can find in place of a copy of Nintendoland.

Jokes aside (though someone should sell PCs at the price of Wii Us), it is a massive disappointment to hear that Nintendo has made a seemingly absurd decision. It doesn't really matter if they have a ton of custom metal in there, as the more they have customized it the less likely it is to be pushed to its fullest by most developers.

You need to add the cost of that Nvidia gaming tablet "Project Shield". Coz of the streaming tech.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

Yeah, and that's fine, but couple to a CPU that is admitedly worse and RAM undoubtedly much slower, that's doesn't really help.

Problem is, Nintendo's best teams have to now make the switch to new tech and HD graphics. 3rd parties won't bother making ports of last gen games look much better (even assuming they can) especially considering that soon the Ps4/720 will be out, and are obliterating WiiU's specs in every possible way.

So MAYBE the GPU is overall potentially better than the PS3's/360's, but by the time games actually looking better (if that's possible) come out, no one will give a shit anymore.

I like your overall point here, which is by the time Wii U is fully taken advantage of or close to it, no many will care at that point. Cause by that time Durango and Orbis will be doing things Wii U could only dream of.

But to further imply that Wii U GPU is only "potentially" better than RSX/Xenos when it definitely is better, and to say that devs wouldn't be able to make games look better or imply they might not be able to, ruins your whole post and makes you look like an ass. Even if Wii U's GPU is about equal in flops to Xenos/RSX it's much much more efficent at reaching that theoretical peak AND has a much larger feature set and supposedly a tesselation unit.

 

[Spongebob]

*Nonsense*

That has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Add the cost of a cheap tablet and Bluray drive to that.

Also the Wii U's GPU outperforms that fyi.

 

[USC-fan]

Nevermind

 

[Fourth Storm]

New info incoming. Check the OP soon for more details.

 

[Gahiggidy]

RE: Fixed-functions

Couldn't these be coded into popular game engines, such as the Unreal Engine & Frostbite, removing any additional work needed by 3rd party developers to take advantage of "Latte"?

 

[Durante]

New info incoming. Check the OP soon for more details.

Hype!

 

[Meelow]

New info incoming. Check the OP soon for more details.

Should I be scared or should I be happy?

 

[eso76]

I don't understand, so going by these pics what should I think of Wii u graphics, should I like them or not.

 

[Spongebob]

New info incoming. Check the OP soon for more details.

Years of speculation ended so quickly.

 

[FourMyle]

I like your overall point here, which is by the time Wii U is fully taken advantage of or close to it, no many will care at that point. Cause by that time Durango and Orbis will be doing things Wii U could only dream of.

But to further imply that Wii U GPU is only "potentially" better than RSX/Xenos when it definitely is better, and to say that devs wouldn't be able to make games look better or imply they might not be able to, ruins your whole post and makes you look like an ass. Even if Wii U's GPU is about equal in flops to Xenos/RSX it's much much more efficent at reaching that theoretical peak AND has a much larger feature set and supposedly a tesselation unit.

The fact that you have to argue so hard to prove that the WiiU is stronger than 7 year old hardware is kind of pathetic for the platform.

 

[CTLance]

I've already said it in the other thread, but: Thanks a bunch to Chipworks. They really bent over backwards to allow us fanboys and hobby techers to have a look at the chip. Awesome.

Also thanks to all the guys who would have paid 200 bucks just out of interest and for the sake of discussion. You done good!

 

[LeleSocho]

I bet you could build a PC at the same price that'd be more powerful than the Wii U.

Oh, look, I did:

Call me when you can do that with 40w of power a bluray drive and a pair of miracast chips
hint: you can't.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

waiting for the results will check back in a few days if this thread survives the wave of troll posting

 

[EloquentM]

I don't understand, so going by these pics what should I think of Wii u graphics, should I like them or not.

Tell me how to feel, Gaf

 

[AOC83]

I like your overall point here, which is by the time Wii U is fully taken advantage of or close to it, no many will care at that point. Cause by that time Durango and Orbis will be doing things Wii U could only dream of.

But to further imply that Wii U GPU is only "potentially" better than RSX/Xenos when it definitely is better, and to say that devs wouldn't be able to make games look better or imply they might not be able to, ruins your whole post and makes you look like an ass. Even if Wii U's GPU is about equal in flops to Xenos/RSX it's much much more efficent at reaching that theoretical peak AND has a much larger feature set and supposedly a tesselation unit.

Even if the GPU is a little stronger that hardly outdoes the hilariously bad CPU and the half 360 speed RAM.

 

[LCGeek]

RE: Fixed-functions

Couldn't these be coded into popular game engines, such as the Unreal Engine & Frostbite, removing any additional work needed by 3rd party developers to take advantage of "Latte"?

True, but the problem is if publishers won't give devs, time, talent, or skill to do so unless nintendo steps in to do so which is even more rare it won't happen. Nintendo needs to get a middleware solution that makes this easier and more direct. They should encourage or request this of devs or send help themselves. During the n64 days it was exposed they kept a lot to themselves and one way to get third parties more interested in their business is to let them be a part of the process instead of playing catch up.

 

[Reallink]

Man I feel bad for Retro's engineers. Based on their Gamecube accomplishments, you have to think they want to be producing industry leading benchmarks and are frustrated by Nintendo's continued nonsensical hardware decisions. I suppose their bean counters are happy though.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

I bet you could build a PC at the same price that'd be more powerful than the Wii U.

Oh, look, I did:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£86.70 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61N-USB3 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£57.13 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Crucial 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1066 Memory (£8.89 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£36.32 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card (£21.05 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case (£32.38 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £277.79

Premium version is £299, so throw in a cheap taiwanese tablet for under 30 quid and you're good to go. Throw in as many free games you can find in place of a copy of Nintendoland.

Jokes aside (though someone should sell PCs at the price of Wii Us), it is a massive disappointment to hear that Nintendo has made a seemingly absurd decision. It doesn't really matter if they have a ton of custom metal in there, as the more they have customized it the less likely it is to be pushed to its fullest by most developers.

Does that PC have a Wii U tablet? People seem to forget that the tablet is the main reason the price of the Wii U is as high as it is. More importantly...

When will people realize that consoles are NOT PC's and comparisons are pointless. Please show me a PC from 2005/2006 that can run Uncharted 3 or equivalent visuals, ok? GPU's in consoles will always be able to accomplish things that the equivalent GPU in the PC world would never dream of doing. How do you put a price tag on that???

Being able to code to the metal and have way less overhead changes things dramatically. A closed console environment is way different. This is the main reason why consoles are always a couple generations a head, not to mentions devs seem to be able to extract more and more as time goes on. Look at The Last of Us or GoW: A for example, or any game released at the end of a console generation.

 

[Zoramon089]

The fact that you have to argue so hard to prove that the WiiU is stronger than 7 year old hardware is kind of pathetic for the platform.

More like the fact that some people will believe otherwise regardless of what info is presented simply for the sake of argument is pathetic

 

[The_Lump]

Even if the GPU is a little stronger that hardly outdoes the hilariously bad CPU and the half 360 speed RAM.

And yet it runs ports at pretty much the same level of performance, on a 3rd of the power consumption. How odd.

Listen, let's just try and refrain for trying to insult a piece of technology. It's silly.

Can we at least disseminate the pics (or let the clever people disseminate the pics) first?

 

[Captain Smoker]

New info incoming. Check the OP soon for more details.

But it's not this?

Up: To clarify, Wii's "Broadway" GPU (inc. eDRAM) was 8mm x 9mm, or 72mm² on a 90nm process. That would only account for about 10-20% of the die space on a 146.48mm² 40nm chip, if they just slapped Broadway on there. However, given Shiota's comment here, many of the Wii BC functions should actually be handled by the Wii U's GPU hardware, so the actual amount of die space used purely for Wii BC should be very small, possibly just 5-10%.