Think that there is also the PS3/Vita/WiiU multiplatform or ports possibility.I am guessing that Sony is relying on PS4 downports to PSV. It seems that the PSV is much more similar to PS4 arch than PS3. It would make sense for Sony to try and link PSV & PS4 together. Maybe the PSV could double as a controller for PS4.
Think that there is also the PS3/Vita/WiiU multiplatform or ports possibility.
PS3 + PS2 Q4 = 6.8
Called it.
70.2 end of September (previous 6 months including PS2) + 6.8m = 77m.
Then th MC cost...People are more inclined to react to permanent price drops. It'll have the software. 3DS did not take off until a near $ 100 price drop.No not every handheld, the 3DS does just fine. But that´s about the only platform that can succeed in this environment. There is no place for other dedicated gaming handhelds anymore.
And as i said earlier, the Vita is available for 199 including a game, that´s about the price region of the 3DS.
Shouldn't they be doing much worse with R&D on PS4? Or will that come later?
Sony seems to be following a strict roadmap. They'll drop the price when it tells them to. Vita need to be marketed differently, it cant be played on a handheld card. Its a media device and thats how it should be angled with a $160 tag. Be the cheapest gaming tablet on the market.I think the main issue is 3DS has Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter etc etc and Vita doesn't. What's a price cut going to do? Make a handheld that most people don't want more attractive, when what people probably want is a reason to buy one. Perhaps streaming cloud-based gaming is the answer. I'd hate to see the Vita just get price cut after price cut and slowly die (literally death by a 1000 cuts).
FYI, shipments do not have to correlate 1:1 with retail sales. If the prior quarter had a depleted stock (which seems to be the case since Sony let the older PS3 model dwindle down significantly prior to releasing the new Slim), then shipments in subsequent quarters can compensate for a lull in the prior quarter, and vice versa.
You just suggested that PS2 sales had to be at least 1 million this quarter, which is absolutely false. Last year PS2 only sold .9 million, and this year the PS2 was discontinued in this quarter.
My estimate of 95% PS3 sales is probably not too far off the mark, especially when last year PS3 sales accounted for nearly 90% of combined PS2 + PS3 sales.
I think that has been accounted for in previous reports honestly. They never specify R&D so its hard to tell but the GAME division has seen some strange quarters.
Your complete and utter guessing (always as in Sony's favour as can be) is funny. You think they were flat YOY in Q4 despite being down in Japan, Europe and US to the sum of 1.1m. Ok.
Sony seems to be following a strict roadmap. They'll drop the price when it tells them to. Vita need to be marketed differently, it cant be played on a handheld card. Its a media device and thats how it should be angled with a $160 tag. Be the cheapest gaming tablet on the market.
This!! Deserves a new thread. IDC needs to be called out before next gen shenanigans are inbound.
Plus all the people who doubted yu along the way.
The Vita will neither be 'saved' nor discontinued. It will limp along for years doing mediocre numbers and turning a small profit.
That's my bold prediction.
If it works over the internet, then you can play your PS4 games on the Vita even if you're away from home. Who wouldn't want that?
It´s not going to work that way.
that would be fantastic.
And work only with extreme lag. Not going to happen.
The Vita will neither be 'saved' nor discontinued. It will limp along for years doing mediocre numbers and turning a small profit.
That's my bold prediction.
Wow, terrible numbers.
I could be wrong, but wouldn't R&D for PS4 have already been spent, and hardware have not yet been bought? I don't think the PS4 development could be blamed for the low profit.
I'm not bold enough to predict the number of software releases over the next few years. What made you arrive at that figure?I agree it's quite bold. how will it survive with only about 20-30 games being released per year?
Indeed, though in decreasing numbers.do you really expect retailers to order more units after the struggle to sell past inventory?
I'm pretty sure you're way off here. My prediction doesn't seem so bold now.not happening imo. the first price drop will be down to $50 when it gets discontinued after PS4 launches.
for some games, it doesn't matter.
source?
Wow, terrible numbers.
Common sense.
First question in the q+a was about Vita and game, asking what they'd be doing in FY13 to improve Vita's situation and looking the Feb 20th, if the next generation would have more aggressive action on promotion than Vita had after its announcement.
It was pretty much the standard answer - said that they shared the view, Vita results are lower than expected, but it's a platform business, longer term horizon etc. etc. That they would strengthen the software lineup, and that marketing/pricing is being kept in consideration but that they couldn't discuss that today. That they will combine all possible measures to 'reactivate' PSVita. In terms of Feb 20th and next generation, they - again - said they couldn't talk about that today, but that Game was a core business for Sony and that they will make due injection of resources and investment this FY and next FY. Depreciation of yen will facilitate those efforts.
The analyst came back on Vita and asked more specifically what they would do to increase the software strength and third party development, noting a decline in western development resources (for Vita, I guess he means). Mentioned that 'Nintendo is spending so much money'. Sony guy said that they will work with 3rd parties, that when they launch a platform they don't simply open up licensing to third parties and leave it at that, that they develop a collaborative structure to help development, joint marketing and business promotion deals, and that they'll continue to do that.
First question in the q+a was about Vita and game, asking what they'd be doing in FY13 to improve Vita's situation and looking the Feb 20th, if the next generation would have more aggressive action on promotion than Vita had after its announcement.
It was pretty much the standard answer - said that they shared the view, Vita results are lower than expected, but it's a platform business, longer term horizon etc. etc. That they would strengthen the software lineup, and that marketing/pricing is being kept in consideration but that they couldn't discuss that today. That they will combine all possible measures to 'reactivate' PSVita. In terms of Feb 20th and next generation, they - again - said they couldn't talk about that today, but that Game was a core business for Sony and that they will make due injection of resources and investment this FY and next FY. Depreciation of yen will facilitate those efforts.
The analyst came back on Vita and asked more specifically what they would do to increase the software strength and third party development, noting a decline in western development resources (for Vita, I guess he means). Mentioned that 'Nintendo is spending so much money'. Sony guy said that they will work with 3rd parties, that when they launch a platform they don't simply open up licensing to third parties and leave it at that, that they develop a collaborative structure to help development, joint marketing and business promotion deals, and that they'll continue to do that.
What has that got to do with anything? Are you trying to start some fanboy pissing war or something, I couldn't care less they 'beat' the 360 it has no relevance here.
I just said we don't know PS2 numbers, all we have is PS3 numbers and they show it was down, in all major regions, practically every week of the year.
The fact that Sony was down all year and thus wouldn't have their best year for shipments.
The Vita will neither be 'saved' nor discontinued. It will limp along for years doing mediocre numbers and turning a small profit.
That's my bold prediction.
Most likely result I expect!
First question in the q+a was about Vita and game, asking what they'd be doing in FY13 to improve Vita's situation and looking the Feb 20th, if the next generation would have more aggressive action on promotion than Vita had after its announcement.
It was pretty much the standard answer - said that they shared the view, Vita results are lower than expected, but it's a platform business, longer term horizon etc. etc. That they would strengthen the software lineup, and that marketing/pricing is being kept in consideration but that they couldn't discuss that today. That they will combine all possible measures to 'reactivate' PSVita. In terms of Feb 20th and next generation, they - again - said they couldn't talk about that today, but that Game was a core business for Sony and that they will make due injection of resources and investment this FY and next FY. Depreciation of yen will facilitate those efforts.
The analyst came back on Vita and asked more specifically what they would do to increase the software strength and third party development, noting a decline in western development resources (for Vita, I guess he means). Mentioned that 'Nintendo is spending so much money'. Sony guy said that they will work with 3rd parties, that when they launch a platform they don't simply open up licensing to third parties and leave it at that, that they develop a collaborative structure to help development, joint marketing and business promotion deals, and that they'll continue to do that.
First question in the q+a was about Vita and game, asking what they'd be doing in FY13 to improve Vita's situation and looking the Feb 20th, if the next generation would have more aggressive action on promotion than Vita had after its announcement.
It was pretty much the standard answer - said that they shared the view, Vita results are lower than expected, but it's a platform business, longer term horizon etc. etc. That they would strengthen the software lineup, and that marketing/pricing is being kept in consideration but that they couldn't discuss that today. That they will combine all possible measures to 'reactivate' PSVita. In terms of Feb 20th and next generation, they - again - said they couldn't talk about that today, but that Game was a core business for Sony and that they will make due injection of resources and investment this FY and next FY. Depreciation of yen will facilitate those efforts.
The analyst came back on Vita and asked more specifically what they would do to increase the software strength and third party development, noting a decline in western development resources (for Vita, I guess he means). Mentioned that 'Nintendo is spending so much money'. Sony guy said that they will work with 3rd parties, that when they launch a platform they don't simply open up licensing to third parties and leave it at that, that they develop a collaborative structure to help development, joint marketing and business promotion deals, and that they'll continue to do that.
Fixed.So in summary Sony have nothing concrete in place to change the fortunes of PSVita, and everyone should sit idly by and wait for it to be discontinued.
Half a billion op profit, Game profitable, PS3 highest selling home console of the year again. Considering Sony's recent form, this news is anything but terrible.
Sure vita is not where they'd like it to be, but it doesn't seem to be dragging Games figures into red territory.
I was talking specifically about the games division operating profit vs sales. A profit margin of 1.7% is pretty bad, no?
So in summary Sony have nothing concrete in place to change the fortunes of PSVita, and everyone should sit idly by and wait for things to happen.
Ridiculous.
So in summary Sony have nothing concrete in place to change the fortunes of PSVita, and everyone should sit idly by and wait for things to happen.
Ridiculous.