dreamer3kx
Member
All this sad wiiu news and I'm loving my wiiu by the day, guess I'm the only one, well purchased it for the first party stuff anyway.
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Dice Summit: "nobody talking about the new WiiU projects they started, only canceled"
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well... poor marketing + slowest shopping season of the year doesn't really translate into huge sales you know?
Always-honest
Banned
No, you're not the only one. NSMBU is glorious. Nintendo land too. Can't wait for more girst party stuff.
Come on pikmin!
It seems more like they decided just to stop airing commercials. People obviously didn't like the ads and IIRC they got pulled in the UK for certain reasons so I want to see what they bring out when Wii Fit U or their holiday games come out.
Pachterballs
Banned
yes this. ipads are selling aren't they. and they're not exactly cheap
ipads are cannibalizing laptops and desktops, much more expensive devices.
and hey, ipad minis are cannibalizing full ipads! who would've thought
Pachterballs
Banned
they really can't compete with the install base of mobile - say iOS+android. that said, I bought gripshift + shatter. is blood drive out? Your site links to activisions and its not there.
There are mayflies that live longer than that title survived at retail.
Pacman vs says no...
Cod 2 was a xbox 360 console exclusive. I think the ps2 version was called big red one pr something
If it is Epic Failure 2 then they only have themselves to blame, wiiu version was worst of them and they ran out of time and cut features..remote + nunchuck control for mickey, off tv play etc.. There was a backlash on miiverse which wouldn't encourage other wiiu gamers to get it when even the standard wii port is reportedly better...
What about speed racer. I kinds always wanted to pick that one up
I think the lead platform was wii.
I feel bad that they churned that out without proper quality control
We had to nerf a couple of cool things to get it through cert (GAF would hate that story which I can't tell), but it still held up. Reviews ended up a bit mixed http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/942716-speed-racer/index.html (unsurprising for a kids game), but we sold over a million units. I was pretty happy with it.
heard the same reasoning when 3ds wasn''t selling at 250, pricedrop sure fixed that.
Ipads/apple stuff can''t really be used as a yardstick in this regard, those sell anyway, regardless of their price.
BruiserBear
Banned
Yes, they'll both be taking losses on every unit, just as they've done for all of their consoles at launch. It's adorable that you think that's a new thing.
Knock them all you want, but they're going to be capable of some pretty amazing things. Even exceeding what you're seeing on the higher end of PC gaming today.
So they're both launching at the same time and you think one of them is going to say "here, just take the price advantage at launch"? The fact that they're both launching at the same time is exactly why I think they'll both be $400 at launch. Neither is going to give their direct competitor that big of an edge.
Many companies buy employees ipads for work too.
IrishNinja
Member
i bet sony thought this was a great justifier for the $600 PS3, with the iphone around the same time
that went well
I just discovered some of the prices for iphone here in Portugal and they're imoral quite frankly, 1099 for an unlocked iphone 5 16gb, really???
these games will be cross-generational this holiday.
I just want to your explanation for this. COD is popular due to it's online multiplayer, correct? Now what will the next-gen consoles offer to that experience that will make one buy it for the next-gen consoles? All of their friends still are on PS360, so they can just buy a current gen COD and still play for the reason why they play it, to play multiplayer with friends.
WiiU failing being bad for Sony and Microsoft might be counterintuitive but it failing would be about as bad as saying to companies like Wal Mart "Ok, basically people really are not interested in consoles anymore, go ahead and cut the game shelf space in half and put cell phone accessories all over the place instead", even if Sony and Microsoft come with hot goods later those companies that actually sell the things might need a lot of convincing before they order lots of units, so the "real" start of next generation will be so neutered from the start that it is set up for failure.
Well they've consistently failed at getting third parties to step up to the plate so far.
Casuals might lap up Mario Kart if Nintendo can god damn advertise it... and it it actually presents an immediately apparent leap forward from MKWii. I imagine MKWii U is gonna be Nintendo's first major online multiplayer game for the Wii U. They gotta really not fuck that up, preferably by presenting a significant evolution of the "communities" concept they introduced with MK7.
You forget that people actually want Orbis/Durango.
Glorified G
Member
I wasn't knocking the specs. I'm just confused how anyone based on the rumors would be surprised if the next gen consoles launches under $400.
Herb Alpert
Banned
people here on neoGAF yes. Average joes and soccer moms doesn't know of their existence yet.
(you will say that they don't know about wii U neither and you will have a point, but it's a different matter).
In this case the price doesn't matter. Or does it ?
Again, it might be a hard pill to swallow, but GAF and the rest of the videogame enthusiasts are but a microcosm in the overall gaming population. Jesus, get it through your head.
Average Joe and soccer moms are not the target group for a 400 console launch, so it doesn´t really matter what they know or don´t know. They will buy the consoles when they are down to 300 or less, like all the generations before.
Herb Alpert
Banned
That's preceisely what will be very interesting to see with this situation of simultaneous launch. has this ever happen before? I mean, 2 consoles aiming at the same target released in the very same window?
Pachterballs
Banned
lol at D+O detractors. The 1.6 million of so x360 units sold over xmas says that people want these consoles. wiiU sold the worst out of all 3. Even PS3 tripled or doubled its numbers.
Once you walk into a game store and see an amazing looking next gen game, you'd want to own the console. Happens every gen. One of the highlights of any console launch is checking out the graphics in a shop and standing there being blown away. We might not that GRAW (?) looks amazing now but it was amazing when it launched.
I'm not a COD fan at all - in fact I've never played 1 - but I fully expect these to be system sellers. Next Battlefield and new COD will move D+O. and that's third party.
ME4? Next Dragon Age? New Morrowind game? Crysis3?
Yeah. Third party up the wazoo. Its exciting to be a gamer on both consoles because you'll get lots of games and it'd be cutting edge
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Once you walk into a game store and see an amazing looking next gen game, you'd want to own the console. Happens every gen. One of the highlights of any console launch is checking out the graphics in a shop and standing there being blown away. We might not that GRAW (?) looks amazing now but it was amazing when it launched.
I'm not a COD fan at all - in fact I've never played 1 - but I fully expect these to be system sellers. Next Battlefield and new COD will move D+O. and that's third party.
ME4? Next Dragon Age? New Morrowind game? Crysis3?
Yeah. Third party up the wazoo. Its exciting to be a gamer on both consoles because you'll get lots of games and it'd be cutting edge
(for consoles)
Pachterballs
Banned
The exclusives and circumstances/details of each console will determine their desirability. If MS limits used games. Yeah, its probably going to flop.
That is saying just one thing. People love bargains.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Never realized that 650,000 units was double or triple that of 400,000.
Learn something new every day.
No it says they want x360s and ps3s, not next gen systems, besides the ones who buy systems like that now do it cuz theyre cheap enough with a huge catalogue of games to play through, not the kind of people to rush out at a launch as early adopters.
So you think the people who bought PS3s and 360s last Christmas are going to buy next-gen systems at launch?
Then again my reading of this post had a sarcastic tone to it, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Lambda Pie
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they won't, unless you're swimming in paper. most folks will settle with one or another.
Lol chill son. You are getting worked up for no reason. Let me put it like this: do you believe Wii U is going to be higher than Orbis/Durango on Nielsen's Top 25 this holiday season? I don't think so.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Pachterballs said:
Being the active system with the ancient tech and cheapest prices, X360 is in the Wii spot of 5-6 years ago.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
How real can it get? More first party announcements of the same games we see on every Nintendo platform?
As long as the next gen COD is a big enough improvement, then it will make many people jump to the new consoles. Maybe not right away but they will eventually.
An improved game with much better graphics can make the online gameplay more impressive.
For example, take Madden on the PS2. Madden on the PS2 had a large online community... Especially during 2004-2006. Madden on the PS2 kept being made up until Madden 12. However, many Madden players bought a 360 or PS3 years before that. The recent 360/PS3 Maddens have large online communities.
So again, as long as the games are big enough improvements on next gen consoles, then people will make the jump.
Gamers that play shooters and sports games care about graphics a whole lot. -- And it makes sense. These genres of games are usually known by many as being realistic.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Seriously, replace "Orbis/Durango" with "Vita" in this thread, and you will be transported back to NeoGAF in the months before the Vita launch. Anything can happen, but if I were to actually put money down, I would bet against those two lighting the charts on fire.
ThreeSixty
December 16, 2009. 4:00 AM. THE LIGHT FIELD is the force. The mind. That guides. Controls.
I completely agree that the Wii U is in trouble. There's signs everywhere that the console isn't selling well and third parties are abandoning the platform. This however translating to Nintendo being "doomed" or becoming a third party publisher does not make logical sense. Sega were broke at the time they stopped production of the Dreamcast. They only stayed in business because of a last minute loan from the president of Sega's then major shareholder CSK. They had no money whatsoever hence they were forced to leave the console market.
Nintendo however just released the most successful portable of all-time (DS) and one of the most successful home consoles of all-time (Wii). This allowed them to generate cash reserves of what is reported to be over 10 billion dollars. Even if Nintendo were to take a loss of 500 million dollars every year for the next twenty years (improbable and almost impossible) they could still function as a business. Yes the Wii U is not selling to expectations but Nintendo; with their epic cash deserves are simply not going anywhere anytime soon. They can roll with the punches for years.
Nintendo could potentially survive for three or four more console generations before they find themselves in Sega's position. The 3DS is also doing moderately well for them and will likely explode in sales when the Pokemon bomb drops and more Nintendo software comes out just before the Christmas rush. The Wii U having a slow start does not mean that Nintendo's going to go anywhere at all. Even if the Wii U does end up doing a GameCube there's multiple console generations where Nintendo would have the potential to recover. All they would have to do is successfully innovate for one of those generations and they would be successful again.
Nintendo is not doomed. The statement is just mathematically incorrect.
Nintendo however just released the most successful portable of all-time (DS) and one of the most successful home consoles of all-time (Wii). This allowed them to generate cash reserves of what is reported to be over 10 billion dollars. Even if Nintendo were to take a loss of 500 million dollars every year for the next twenty years (improbable and almost impossible) they could still function as a business. Yes the Wii U is not selling to expectations but Nintendo; with their epic cash deserves are simply not going anywhere anytime soon. They can roll with the punches for years.
Nintendo could potentially survive for three or four more console generations before they find themselves in Sega's position. The 3DS is also doing moderately well for them and will likely explode in sales when the Pokemon bomb drops and more Nintendo software comes out just before the Christmas rush. The Wii U having a slow start does not mean that Nintendo's going to go anywhere at all. Even if the Wii U does end up doing a GameCube there's multiple console generations where Nintendo would have the potential to recover. All they would have to do is successfully innovate for one of those generations and they would be successful again.
Nintendo is not doomed. The statement is just mathematically incorrect.
Yes, it's exactly the same. Vita had the support from all the major players of this industry and blew it before launch.
Steve Youngblood
Member
As flimsy as it sounds, I'm at about 50/50 right now in terms of how confident I am that one of the new platforms is going to really soar right out of the gates. I could easily see both launching to middling success. However, if the parallel you're drawing carries with it that the Wii U is destined for a great holiday 2013, I'm certainly not willing to accept that as a foregone conclusions either.
I expect a major game or two ready by Nintendo, but the marketplace is going to be more crowded this year. If Sony or Microsoft can get some "next-gen" software ready for launch, there's that to steal some thunder. But also let's not forget there'll be some big fall releases on 360/PS3. At the very least, we know that the Wii U is not slated to get GTA V. Basically -- and I'm not sure if that's where you're going anyway -- I'm kind of skeptical that all they need to do is get Mario Kart out, drop the price $50, and Bam!, we're back to the "it prints money" gifs with Miyamoto and Iwata.
Pachterballs
Banned
some people might have bandied the phrase "doomed" out - but "in trouble" is the phrased used in the OP.
So.. looks like we're going to play the "where precisely did I say that?" game again.
Go on. Indicate where I think that this is a new thing.