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Tomb Raider |OT| Lara's Misfortune

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Lime

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The fact that people are comparing it to the Uncharted type of game design speaks volumes about Tomb Raider's game design in itself :(
 
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Miles Quaritch

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Lime said:
The fact that people are comparing it to the Uncharted type of game design speaks volumes about Tomb Raider's game design in itself :(
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Indeed. I'm hopeful people are making an arbitrary comparison and that the games don't share too many similarities in game design, structure, etc.

It's inevitable they will share some, but Tomb Raider should be considerably better than Uncharted in a number of departments, not least in game design, structure, exploration, combat, platforming, etc.
 
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truly101

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Miles Quaritch said:
That's hardly an achievement. Uncharted has been on a sharp decline since it abandoned its roots from the first game and headed in a more scripted, linear, action oriented direction.
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uhhh, there's no exploring in the first Uncharted, its wave after wave of brown people to shoot with minor platforming bits. The other two games were just as consistent, just better paced.
 
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Miles Quaritch

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truly101 said:
uhhh, there's no exploring in the first Uncharted, its wave after wave of brown people to shoot with minor platforming bits. The other two games were just as consistent, just better paced.
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There's quite a bit of exploration in Uncharted 1. Not massive expanses, but most of the locations provide a certain degree of exploration compared to the far more linear and scripted sequels.
 
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SkylineRKR

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I think the Vita version is actually the best Uncharted game. The writing and characters are worse, as are the gimmicky touch controls and there is less polish overall but I felt the game had somewhat of a more complex level design. I really enjoyed GA in hindsight. I replayed UC2 afterward at a friend who couldn't get past the shitty stealth section and I felt I wasn't having fun with it at all.
 
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haikira

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Can anyone confirm if the difficulty level can be lowered after beginning the game? I want to give the game a shot on hard, but have the option to lower in case I whimp out.
 
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Miles Quaritch

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SkylineRKR said:
I think the Vita version is actually the best Uncharted game. The writing and characters are worse, as are the gimmicky touch controls and there is less polish overall but I felt the game had somewhat of a more complex level design. I really enjoyed GA in hindsight. I replayed UC2 afterward at a friend who couldn't get past the shitty stealth section and I felt I wasn't having fun with it at all.
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It was more reminiscent of the first Uncharted. The jungle locale, the platforming, etc, it felt like a return to the series roots. I hope it continues and doesn't follow the mainline Uncharted games to become a scripted and ultimate shallow experience.
 
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Montresor

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worldrevolution said:
Prolly 30-40 hours assuming no boosting.
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Nemesis_ said:
Mulitplayer seems like it will be a drag, and it's not the most enjoyable experience. I've been playing for about an hour or so.

but you need to get to Prestige 3 - Levevl 59 or something. That's crazy.
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That's crazy. Well I'm in it for the single player. Hopefully I end up liking the multi, because if I don't, I won't bother chasing of those crazy achievements.

I'm pretty excited to grab this!
 
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Phonomezer

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derFeef said:
is it just the setpiece or also what do you within? Uncharted impresses me the most with what you do right now and shit is happening left and right. Boat for example :)
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Hmmmm, bit of both, but more of the former.

Nemesis_ said:
!!!!!!

I want to know where you are at now ;_;
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I was at that (spoilers)
windy fucking palace/temple section OH MY GOD so good. That is until the shanty town.. gross
 
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Danny-Boy

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This is an uncharted clone from top to bottom. Doesn't try to bring its own style, it's a straight up copy. Even the way Lara moves, it's the female version of Nate. There's no exploration to be had, you might get one alternate path here and there, but the bigger areas is just an illusion. Make no mistake you've got one path with plenty of enemies ahead of you. Puzzles consist of open the gas pipe, open the wind tunnels, or rock something back and forth until a scripted event takes place and opens the way forward. Platforming is okay but most of it is very easy jumps that you can't miss, the shimmy across ledges which has been a simple left to right, and climbing up walls with your pick axe. No risk taking.
 
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MrCookiepants

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That whole
burning building
set piece. Probably one of the most memorable moments for me this gen. Naughty Dog and Santa Monica have some competition.

How are they gonna top THAT for the endgame?
 
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Slacker

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G_Berry said:
God the mp is woeful. Took me half an hour to find a game (ps3) and when I did, a 2 vs 1 tdm, the guy on the other team was invincible!!!!!!!!

Is anyone even online playing this? Would love to see the numbers lol.
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Uh, game's not actually released yet. Give it a couple days.
 
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Frillen

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So been playing the 360 version for a couple of hours. Stunning looking game. Can't believe I'm seeing this on a 8 year old hardware. Gameplay is fun and pacing is good. Action segments -> Exploration segments -> Action segments -> Exploration segments. It seems to follow that path which is not a negative thing for me. Controls are tight and rarely annoy me. No screen tearing and framerate is pretty solid.
 
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Phanatic8390

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Woah Amazon released the keys for preload? Is this the first time they've done that? I can't recall anyone mentioning them having done that before but this is my first pre-order from them so I have no prior experience
 
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eshwaaz

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Frillen said:
So been playing the 360 version for a couple of hours. Stunning looking game. Can't believe I'm seeing this on a 8 year old hardware. Gameplay is fun and pacing is good. Action segments -> Exploration segments -> Action segments -> Exploration segments. It seems to follow that path which is not a negative thing for me. Controls are tight and rarely annoy me. No screen tearing and framerate is pretty solid.
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Hallelujah. Thanks for that tidbit. Screen tearing has become the bane of my video game existence.
 
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I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
DukeBobby said:
Really?

The multiplayer looks alright, but I can't imagine it being anywhere near as good as the single player.
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Let's be honest for a sec. The actual gameplay will probably be a snooze. I'm sure the set pieces, characters, checklist nature of collectibles, and so on will make for a fun romp - just like Uncharted - but these games don't take much skill or thought, whether it's the shooting (prolly cover), the platforming (prolly sticky), the exploration of looking behind every corner for a jewel, ammo conservation.. Throwing in upgrades doesn't make it a deep game.

The mp however, like UC or AC, will actually let the combat and traversal bloom. Fighting humans is always totally different than being locked in an arena with 4-5 npcs (most likely the combat design of this game as well). I understand not everyone wants that level of challenge though.
 
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Steve McQueen

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Going for the PS3 version. If the engine is the same as in Absolution or in Deus Ex HR, the PS3 version has a slight advantage ( sharper textures ). At least...according to the face-offs of DF.
 
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iratA

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Ok so I just had to stop playing to come in and talk about this shit.

*Impressions Below - very mild spoilers*

Soooo just finished the room with the Big Bell thingy. Holy Shit Son! I'm just speechless atm. I'm one of ND's biggest supporters, but damn if this wasn't designed as an Uncharted Killer! I mean seriously, what the hell did I just play!

People who love Uncharted SP are going to flip out and really owe it to themselves to buy the shit out of this.

Some of my key thoughts:
* This game has some of the best visuals on PS3 (yes I went there) there are some incredible things going on here but the art direction and level design are supreme. Don't even get me started on some of the particle, fire and lighting effects in this game. Its visually arresting in places to the point I very, very often find myself stopping and just looking around to soak it all in. Which leads me to my next point.
* The atmosphere in this game is so soooo good. This game has an atmosphere quite unlike anything I've ever felt before, again art direction places a huge rule here.
* The voice acting from Lara. Love it, it feels so raw and you really hear every subtle little gasp and so on. Yes I want to protect her (yep went there too)
* Presentation and Polish for games in this genre have a new very high benchmark. Again not taking anything away from the Uncharted series that I love dearly, but ND stand to gain a lot from playing and taking some cues from this game. I think this game really gets you on an emotional level that Uncharted could use a bit more of.
*The pacing feels god tier for me. The more I think about it, I think its the pacing of its set pieces and how smoothly they are wound into the environment and the general flow, that makes the whole thing work.

So yeah loving this game. Haven't touched the MP yet and I came for the SP anyway and so far I'm thinking this will be a gem long remembered well into next gen.

Oh and so based on the bell thingy can anyone tell me as a rough percentage, how far through I am?
 
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I'm an expert

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The atmosphere is really the only thing drawing me to this game. It looks like a darker UC, and I can get behind that. I also think a female protag is fun to play every now and then.
 
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iratA said:
If your coming for the atmosphere. Your in the right place my friend ;-)
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I will be in a few weeks when it's half price! But good atmosphere and checklists ain't enough for a day one. =/
 
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iratA

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worldrevolution said:
I will be in a few weeks when it's half price! But good atmosphere and checklists ain't enough for a day one. =/
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Sure. I just hope this game sells well enough to get a sequel that builds and expands on the game design used here. I haven't finished it yet, but I already know I'm going to be needing more of this in the not too distant future. This is a great action/adventure game with the kind of production values we just don't see enough of.
 
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