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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos

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Oersted said:
The best example of a guy making junk up was on CVG.com. That guy Pat Garratt wrote a story about a game conference in Japan that featured Hideo Kojima. Anyway, Garratt wrote it in the first-person and claimed to have actually attended the conference.

As it turns out, Garratt didn't attend the event because it didn't happen. When confronted by this news by Daily Radar (of all places) as well as some other sites, Garratt explained it all away as a translation error.
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Nice. It reminds me of this one time when one of our most prominent music critics wrote a detailed review of a concert that never took place. I don't remember whether it was just postponed or outright canceled, but he clearly made the whole thing up.
 
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Sorry to shy away from the actual quality research and good discussion, but toddhunter posted this in the Tomb Raider thread.

She/he made this:

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into this:

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Lancehead said:
"they're not selling vaccinations or aids medication. they're selling video games. get over it."

The key to understanding Arthur Gies respected game journalist.
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And yet he felt compelled to wax philosophical about Far Cry 3's colonialist tropes. Not complaining, just seems inconsistent.
 
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Oersted

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Oh, have one from the category videogame-"journalism" and industry to close together.


Matt Casamassina who was writer for N64.com, which soon became the Nintendo 64 section of IGN. Telling: he was a character model in the N64 video game Perfect Dark. Also telling: Ended up at Apple.
 
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spirity

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Lancehead said:
"they're not selling vaccinations or aids medication. they're selling video games. get over it."

The key to understanding Arthur Gies respected game journalist.
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Diablo 3 is almost evil in how high a bar it's set for every PC action RPG to follow, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that bar remain for a very long time.

Diablo 3 is the first game to render Diablo 2 obsolete.

There's a relentless logic behind Diablo 3.

And everywhere Blizzard has eliminated one thing, they've seemingly added two. For example, loot has always been Diablo's deepest rabbit hole, and Blizzard has added an even more complicated system of tunnels to get lost in.

10/10
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http://www.polygon.com/game/diablo-3/2579
 
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I always wonder if some even played the Game they are reviewing. But Games like MMOs or also Diablo 3 are pretty time-consuming and I do not think you can write a review by just playing 5 hours or so.
 
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Oersted said:
Matt Casamassina who was writer for N64.com, which soon became the Nintendo 64 section of IGN. Telling: he was a character model in the N64 video game Perfect Dark.
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Stuff like that still hasn't died yet, in Sega's London Olympics 2012 game, they named fictional character(s) after game some journalist(s), only changing a letter here and there. Harmless, but considering developers are selling naming rights in Kickstarters these days for lots of money it puts the practice into a different light.
 
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Chairmanchuck said:
I always wonder if some even played the Game they are reviewing. But Games like MMOs or also Diablo 3 are pretty time-consuming and I do not think you can write a review by just playing 5 hours or so.
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I've wondered this too for some games. To me a game heavily multiplayer focused -- CoD, Gears of War, etc. -- cannot or should not be reviewed until a community of some sort is formed. The campaign can be reviewed early, but the MP should be held-off until they play against more than just other reviewers.
 
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NateDrake said:
I've wondered this too for some games. To me a game heavily multiplayer focused -- CoD, Gears of War, etc. -- cannot or should not be reviewed until a community of some sort is formed. The campaign can be reviewed early, but the MP should be held-off until they play against more than just other reviewers.
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I can't agree with that, as long as they're not reviewing the community but the mechanics of the multiplayer itself, then it makes no difference if you're playing in a pool of 100 people or 100,000.
 
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Oersted

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Lancehead said:
"they're not selling vaccinations or aids medication. they're selling video games. get over it."

The key to understanding Arthur Gies respected game journalist.
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Well, he is absolutly right. They don´t do that. But it doesn´t matter. We can say about almost every industry that "hey, they are not that important". That doesn´t make bad business moves all the sudden good ones. And well, its the job of a journalist to name the bad ones. Not defend them with "get over it".
 
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Oersted said:
Well, he is absolutly right. They don´t do that. But it doesn´t matter. We can say about almost every industry that "hey, they are not that important". That doesn´t make bad business moves all the sudden good ones. And well, its the job of a journalist to name the bad ones. Not defend them with "get over it".
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Not only that, but he's blatantly telling people that they're spending their hard-earned money on useless stuff, so they'd better shut up about what they dislike from their purchase.

Yeah, it's kinda ironic for a games "journalist" to say "You shouldn't complain, it's only games" when that's exactly his job: to criticize games, point out their flaws and strengths, and inform his readers about everything good and bad with this hobby.


I somehow don't imagine a musician whose last album was terrible telling his fans to shut up, that it's only music and not the cure for cancer, and that making an album is expensive therefore they should suck it up and pay. Why is it that many people working in gaming media nowadays can say shit like this and not get fired on the spot for doing so?
(yeah I know, not a perfect analogy, as journalists don't develop the games they talk about... but still I think my point stands all the same)
 
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There may be others I've missed making the same announcements / comments, but as it was mentioned within this thread that not enough credit is given to sites that are transparent: both Polygon and The PA Report have posted articles explaining that their reviews of Sim City aren't likely to reflect the true experience of play due to the heavily controlled environment in which they played with regards to the online functionality / DRM.
 
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Oersted

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RionaaM said:
Not only that, but he's blatantly telling people that they're spending their hard-earned money on useless stuff, so they'd better shut up about what they dislike from their purchase.

Yeah, it's kinda ironic for a games "journalist" to say "You shouldn't complain, it's only games" when that's exactly his job: to criticize games, point out their flaws and strengths, and inform his readers about everything good and bad with this hobby.


I somehow don't imagine a musician whose last album was terrible telling his fans to shut up, that it's only music and not the cure for cancer, and that making an album is expensive therefore they should suck it up and pay. Why is it that many people working in gaming media nowadays can say shit like this and not get fired on the spot for doing so?
(yeah I know, not a perfect analogy, as journalists don't develop the games they talk about... but still I think my point stands all the same)
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I guess you are closer to the truth than you think. Because, one of the biggest problems is, they often enough don´t see themselves as journalist. We want to be part of the gaming industry. Our notorious Keighley for example again http://instagram.com/p/WfPP2AosJ5/ .
 
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I really feel like I need to rip Arthur Gies as next apart. His corporate apologist bullshit has gone to far.



https://twitter.com/aegies/status/310282795564015616
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Considering his Mass effect 3 review and his (lack?) of logic for that Dead Space 3 review, I dont see the point of ripping him apart, just let the problem short itself out by waiting until he gets a community manager gig at EA. Loving the follow-up messages from the journalists from IGn and kotaku, its been a couple of days without Vgjournalist circle-jerk.
 
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Oersted

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JDSN said:
Considering his Mass effect 3 review and his (lack?) of logic for that Dead Space 3 review, I dont see the point of ripping him apart, just let the problem short itself out by waiting until he gets a community manager gig at EA. Loving the follow-up messages from the journalists from IGn and kotaku, its been a couple of days without a glorified blogger circle-jerk.
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The thing is, he keeps on giving:

they're not selling vaccinations or aids medication. they're selling video games. get over it.
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And it looks he keeps defending bullshit.
 
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Big-E

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Oersted said:
Should I start a thread^^?
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That would be good I think. Polygon is becoming this popular site and their reviews editor is a complete corporate shill slime ball. There is no real defense to his actions and his site should be shunned by the hardcore for being run by complete and utter douchebags.
 
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Ironically, reputable journalists with a litany of verified 'inside sources' is how most real investigative journalism gets done.

But for the Gies' of this industry, unless it's served up to them in a nice .zip file from a publisher's press site, they don't know what to do with it.
 
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What pisses me off is certain game critics/journalism show zero appreciation of the employment they are in, I do feel at times with certain individuals they are very fortunate to be in the position they find themselves
 
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