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Bioshock "Exclusive Review" IGN edition - A lot of annoyed journos (Ironcreed wow).
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ChimpBottle
Member
Can I please get someone to explain this scenario to me as if I was a child? I prefer my stories in explanation form rather than tweets that don't seem to have anything to do with each other
Voice of Reason
Banned
Do we really know what happened though? I don't know why you're assuming it's Ken that initiated it. Anyway, I do think IGN is gonna rate this game >9.5 due to exclusivity and what not, but criticizing the picture is grasping at straws.
Especially when combined.
This may just be the goddam Mona Lisa of game related shops....
Someone post that Geoff's pic alongside with Mountain Dew and Doritos!
Edit:
OMG LOL'D
Edit:
OMG LOL'D
baphomet
Member
"Journalists" are upset that a company is letting someone else talk about their free games before them.
Its a sad day when the level designer of a game has a better journalism code of conduct and can still give opinions of his views on exclusives reviews of own his game compared to the actual journalists that are being quiet or being hypocritically spiteful on twitter, write a fucking editorial or something.
Shame that Shawn and the brodeo moved on, it seem to me that at this point of his carreer he has the necessary tools to be one of the finest.
Shame that Shawn and the brodeo moved on, it seem to me that at this point of his carreer he has the necessary tools to be one of the finest.
IGN gets an exclusive window to publish their review. Being a highly anticipated game that was 5+ years in the making, it is certain to generate hits. Journalists from other outlets do not like this.
In all likelihood, some arrangement was made between 2K and IGN for this to happen. To what extent this could impact the review score is uncertain. It will be impossible to tell to if the game is received the same across the board (see: complaints about PC Gamer getting an early review of Half-Life 2, circa 2004).
People in this thread have legitimate concerns over the ethics of such a situation. Other people don't forsee there being much of an impact on how IGN's review scores compares to others. All agree Gies, Sessler, and Keighly need to shut up.
Vire
Member
Good job.
Well theyre not journalists.
Theyre gamers who get paid to write stuff essentially, and once you settle for that, it all makes more sense.
Expect nothing from them, and you will never be left wanting.
Do people even read reviews and crap anymore? I kinda just get impressions off boards and a few decent sites. Most of the rest is just noise.
Its essentially like you have the 'real news' and then they go over to the 'hollywood reporter' who isnt serious and is just smiling and super excited over everything and does terrible interviews. Thats gaming journalism, but moreso.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
This whole exclusive review thing is too funny. The only ting in question at this point is what the number is gonna be following "9." on the review score
Not really - I have never asked or pitched anyone on an exclusive review. (Although we have been offered them).
I have no problems with other outlets getting exclusive access to assets and interviews. To me the act of reviewing a game should not be subject to any negotiation or part of any coverage deal.
Vire
Member
The pope arrives!
ChimpBottle
Member
Thanks a lot
I don't see why the guy who's working feverishly on an exclusive review would intentionally drop what he's doing to ask Ken Levine for an interview. He's got the game in his hands, so what could he possibly gain from such an interview? And I can guarantee you that Ken is in full-time PR mode right now, so he's not just sitting around waiting for people to call and ask for impromptu interviews.
And that's a San Francisco-ass building if I've ever seen one, so that's got to be IGN's office. So Ken specifically devoted a chunk of his busy day to drive down to IGN and do the interview.
Are we honestly forgetting all the exclusive coverage you've done? I love how you are completely ok with everything but exclusive reviews--knowing you're guilty of all the rest in the past.
I guess the community is are where these accusations will come from.
Normally this does not impact the reviewer outside of when that person would need to post the review. Most of these publications don't any real interactions with the reviewer, although I think that if the review is done then the "Up At Noon" segments is perfectly fine.
Voice of Reason
Banned
What's the track record of this guy's reviews anyway?
Pachterballs
Banned
nailed it
Takamura-San
Member
The site is called gametrailers, they do their best to get trailers first. I don't see gametrailers as the beacon for game reviews.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Especially when combined.
This photoshop is simply too perfect. The use of triangle doritos as the deus ex revolution triangles is just a work of art.
He is not ... the most critical guy on the planet.
"Unfortunately, the game’s quest log is a broken mess; it’s our chief complaint about an otherwise immaculate piece of software." -- Taken from OXM's Mass Effect 3 review
Do we really want to berate him into not posting here any more? I'm not above poking a little fun but I don't think he appreciates being teased every time he posts anything.
Besides, this photo seems more damning than the Doritos one. Geoff is more a victim of circumstance and an unintentionally goofy facial expression.
Vire
Member
I like Keighley, I thought the Phantom Pain interview was good fun and his "Final Hours" work is great, but the whole Mountain Dew/Doritos nonsense wasn't his finest moment.
I'm just teasing. He's been a pretty good sport about it all though, I'll give him that.
Saint Gregory
Member
Especially when combined.
This post is absolutely not for the weak of heart, I'm so glad that I've cut down on my cholesterol or I'd be stone dead.
GotchaForce
Member
Nah, lets re-use memes over and over and over and pat ourselves on the back constantly. It makes our arguments seem a lot more valid.
I'll agree, despite the fact that the memes of this thread have been completely worth the lack of integrity on our part.
WrenchNinja
Member
This picture may have been relevant a couple of months ago when everyone was joking about him but what does him and Deus Ex have to do with anything now
baphomet
Member
Agreed. It's his job to get as many exclusive previews or interviews as possible. If he was telling the public to rush out and buy games then I could see there being a problem. Even the Doritos and Dew thing was overblown (albeit funny). Most of the footage we get for unreleased games come from relationships like Geoff has with publishers, and it does have it's place in the industry.
Totally agreed. Ironcreed just went legend with that pic. So tempted to avatar-ize.
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Deleted member 80556
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I am glad you don't do that, Geoff. But yet it still happens, whether it's obvious or not, reviewers are being bribed with exclusive 'press kits', 'press events', and are even limited through guidelines (happened with MGS4 which made EGM not review the title until a later date if I'm not mistaken).
In the present time, websites like to disclose to their readers when they're assisting to these events, what they receive, and they actually even give it away. But it's all very worrisome that publishers even try, because while some publications do say when they're presented with these situations, there are others that don't say anything and accept it. Not to mention that these sites are maintained with advertisements, that can relate to the game that is being reviewed. Wasn't there a case where a game was met with a harsh review, and the publisher pulled the ads?
airmangataosenai
Member
Well he's the one who entered the discussion criticizing someone else. I agree with his side on this, but it is funny as hell seeing him of all people implying that someone else is a shill.
Yup. Awesome thread.
Especially when combined.
Im really glad I took the time to read this thread after shaking my head way too hard at some of the tweets in the OP (Seriously, Gies?)
Incredible
The One and Done
Member
What the fuck is up with this "Review in Progress" bullshit.
Barkley's Justice
Member
Whatever. Fuck this industry.
MikeE21286
Member
Did he actually call him a shill and I missed it? There's a huge difference between offering exclusive news or promotion and buying a critic's opinion.
Jake Tower
Banned
Geoff, give GAF the exclusive.... CG OR REAL?????
Was he shilling, though? As far as I know, someone led him into that room to conduct an interview. His only mistake was neglecting to ask them to get rid of all that stuff before they started. And if the snack food was GT's idea then I just sort of feel bad for him that he was forced into such an awkward situation as a part of his job. But with Doritos and Mountain Dew co-marketing alongside every major game release these days, I can see how he wouldn't be immediately taken aback. It's such a common sight that he would have to be dodging junk food ads all the time to avoid getting photographed alongside them.
Did Geoff ever say his piece on that? He mentioned that he had a lot to say about it and then I never got to read it.
He IS a game reviewer. He has just long since passed on duties to his GT underlings as he climbed up the personality food chain.
He deserves to get the Mona Lisa of tags for this glorious post.
Geoff, sorry dude I know you are getting tired of this pope nonsense but even you must admit this is god tier. Love you guys at GT, no worries ill still be watching your review cause I like yours better than anyone else. Your voice over guy is amazing.
I bet you have a deal with Joakim for an exclusive review of The Phantom Pain.
Don't lie, Geoff!
I agree. He never asked for this.
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