James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I'll reserve judgment until I see the trailer, but looks like I was right about KZ:SF...that game looks significantly better than BF4 visually (although to be fair BF4 is supposedly running at 60 frames)
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Can Crusher
Banned
Lots of birds=Next Gen?
HD birds man, HD
Actually the only thing that makes KZ look better is the city. (so far)
Character models, lightning etc didn't look any better. Comparisons will make sense as soon as we see a city.
jacksepticeye
Member
Really? I think KZ looks great indeed but I dunno, this seems more detailed in the character models. KZ looked a little muddy on clothing etc.
But it is comparing two games that will change before release and if BF3 and KZ2 are anything to go by, they will look worse by launch.
Portugeezer
Member
This is too much.
shaderhacker
Banned
How are textures 'last gen"? You either have good textures or you don't. The lighting wasn't last gen. TR has Global illumination and even dynamic lighting. The fire casts secondary bounces. SW1313 did not blow it away. The characters in SW were definitely less detailed and of course, the environments are much better in TR. In fact, there isn't anything that C3 has over TR except the detailed texturing up close. Even particles are light sources in TR just like C3. Tremendous tessellation of objects (I can't find a single angular surface). Furthermore, the hair simulation plays a huge role in the graphic fidelity of TR. To not include it is just dumb. The hair destroys framerates because it looks so good. And it adds to the tech of the graphics.
BF4 can compare very easily to C3. Both of their engines can do the same thing. What the artists decide to do with them is a subjective choice.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
There's no current gen version of Killzone, either. I think it would make a difference if BF4 only targeted PC and next gen consoles. That said, I do think it looks pretty damn good. I think the problems people are having with the appearance of the game are more artistic than technical.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
The lighting looks better to me (the reflective surfaces on KZ:SF were crazy)
I think the character models are about equal in both (not quite that impressive). KZ:SF wins on sheer size and activity of the levels. The city shots looked like CG to me.
It's very hard to judge without seeing BF4 in motion though, a lot of KZ:SF's effects are really pronounced in motion.
shaderhacker
Banned
The reflective surfaces are all fake. There isn't any real dynamic true reflections like in C3 or TR.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Everything is "fake" when it comes to graphics, so I don't really buy that argument. What matters is the visual impact.
Stellactic
Member
Faces, birds, melting, bla, bla, bla. Just don't add that silly filter that makes everything dark and blue. And please don't make the shadows so dark. I was so hyped for BF3, but it was just so damn hard to see anybody with the millions of distracting dark shadows from shrubbery.
I better hope those faces are placeholders. Like I said... Very rough and cartoony.
But compared to the PS3 games... It's a step up.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Faces look similar to the shots from BF4...they're not impressive.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I wasn't talking specifically about the faces, in general.
shaderhacker
Banned
What matters is how 'close" you can get to realism. Fake reflections have been done before and is easy to implement. Real reflections is next-gen.
The woman in that shot looks like she is made of plastic.
It's too early to be making comparisons though. KZ4 still has a ways to go.
shaderhacker
Banned
Faces do look horrible. They will probably touch those up before release. I'm expecting more of subsurface scattering model like in C3, FC3 and TR.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
So do the dudes in the BF4 shots
Again, you don't need to have dynamic reflective mapping for it to look real.
This looks insanely impressive to me. On a macro level, Killzone: SF delivers.
Although I agree with some complaints that when the action gets more intimate, the visual impact loses its luster.
terrdactycalsrock
Member
Is it true they are not using Frostbite 2 as their engine? If so what are they using?
Frostbite 3
GreggTheGrimReaper
Member
So do the dudes in the BF4 shots
I wonder if this black guy has some form of vitiligo or why does he have those white blotches on his face? It's especially noticeable around his eye. Maybe it's just a weird graphical effect.
terrdactycalsrock
Member
Oh wow that was a quick turn around time! I was expecting Frostbite 2 to be like UE3 and Cryengine 3 and be around for a while
iceatcs
Junior Member
I know, it does look weird. I think it is because that we don't seeing like that. It is only affect to camera.
ESP Battlefield 3 have so much things on the screen that we don't see like that in real life.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Yeah but any game using it will be just as hamstrung like those above for old generation consoles.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Poor Agron :/
jacksepticeye
Member
So do the dudes in the BF4 shots
Again, you don't need to have dynamic reflective mapping for it to look real.
This looks insanely impressive to me. On a macro level, Killzone: SF delivers.
Although I agree with some complaints that when the action gets more intimate, the visual impact loses its luster.
Let's hope the game actually looks like that at launch. My money bets it won't though
Sentenza
Member
It's... just light refraction on sweated skin?
I can't even tell if you guys are being serious or not at this point.
lol, he is looking out of the window, its supposed to be the sunlight reflecting
Killzone? It'll probably look better.
GreggTheGrimReaper
Member
Weird graphical glitch or facepaint.
There goes all my hope of playing as Michael Jackson in a military shooter.
It reminded me of that news reporter that talked about his vitiligo on live TV:
paradise_circus
Member
that weapon in the ego view has a weird scope on the side. it seems like a failure or i am just stupid.
Eclectic Jabber Monkey
Member
Until I see a Killzone running on PS4 hardware or videos captured from the retail version I am wary of Sony's KZ demo. Sony's bullshot videos from previous console announcements have shown they flat out lie to look good. I hope it KZ: SF looks that good at launch, but seeing is believing.
Speaking of KZ, they need to hire some better VO actors for SF. Killzone 3's were terrible.
not sure what picture you're talking about, but if its the one I think then you rotate the gun 45 degrees to switch between scope and iron sights
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Wait, you really think that KZ:SF footage is fake? They were playing it live and recorded it from a PS4 dev kit during the unveiling.
They even appeared on Jimmy Fallon playing the game live.
There was no CG trickery there.
Boss Man
Member
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Vulcano's assistant
Banned
well in a sense, that's one of times when the war is more fair, otherwise someone would pull the gameplay card to justify the graphics.
Target renders are totally different. Sony's never done what you're accusing them of right now which is fake a playable demo on stage and on a late night talk show.
paradise_circus
Member
Ah, thank you... It still looks stupid and i just probably overthink too much.
The lensflare is still a no go, though.
Bomb has been planted. Terrorists win.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
Thank goodness for common sense. I facepalmed at the question you responded to.
Also, via twitter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xb4iJFRS4Mw (crappy quality)
jacksepticeye
Member
Crysis 3 walks all over it still. BUT frostbite 2 is tailored to online first I'd imagine, and it runs pretty freakin well too. It's a great engine but not nearly as good as some of the stuff CE3 can pull off. but they both try to do different things
You could be right but a lot of games look worse when they launch t what we see first of it
Can't unsee, goddamnit.
shinobi602
Member
Hah, it'll look even better when it launches.
Eclectic Jabber Monkey
Member
Yeah I knew they were actual demos. To clarify I didn't mean they were CG like the KZ2 video, but weren't the demos shown running on a PC? Who knows what hardware was in there. Or was the PC theory debunked?
Jimmy: "This PS4 is, uh, much more memory.."
Herman: "We have 8GBs..."
Haha.
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