ProfessorMoran
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There's so many more details you can see, like the smoke trails from the flying vehicles, the petals from the tree, all the burning cinders flying around, the material quality shows up so much better...
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Killzone Shadow Fall (PS4) announced, launch title [1080p/30fps]
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There's so many more details you can see, like the smoke trails from the flying vehicles, the petals from the tree, all the burning cinders flying around, the material quality shows up so much better...
Absolutely. Came here to post this. Really surprised I had not seen this version before. Best version by far. Game is looking amazing. The guy playing here is so much better. He deals with all the helghast like a bad ass mofo. Also love the fact that he cooks the grenades, they leave a wonderful whitish smoke, looks amazing. So to recap, this is not the same video as before. It's the demo played in a whole different way.
No amount of optimization would double the framerate.
I'd be ok if this was the boxart. Though I imagine it'd be Mature lol.
Looks like Spawn's cousin and it's both impactful and menacing.
That is truly disappointing. Looks like once again, GG may fail to leverage the lore it has helped build around the game.
Maybe it's already running at 40 fps but capped at 30.
BadAss2961
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Playing as Helghast would be a huge mistake. KZ3 already diluted their intimidation qualities and mystique a bit. Playing from their perspective, or just going out of their way to make people feel sorry for them would kill that off completely... Also, the Helghast are great enemies that play a big part in separating the series from other shooters. The ISA would be much less interesting to face and kill than the Helghast. Playing Helghast for maybe one level as a surprise to drive home a plot point could be pretty effective. But they shouldn't take it much further than that.
GG's probably at their best when they don't listen to gamers for input too much and just go ahead with their own vision. Killzone 2 was brilliant.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Already voiced my opinion several times in this thread already, but since it's being discussed again here's the abridged version: Playing from the Helghast perspective is the wrong direction for the franchise.
Saberus
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That video rocked, been looking for a large mp4 game play file.. the quality for this (pre-Alfa)? build is out standing.
iamvin22
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I want to hear your honest reason why?
JCreasy
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EDIT: HOLY SHIT!
Everyone needs to watch this now!!
Just WOW!
Had no idea how much detail was getting lost in shitty compressed versions we've been seeing.
Someone suggested the very appealing alternative of forcing both factions to team up to fight a common enemy, too powerful to defeat as standalone factions.
I forget what they were called but they basically created the ISA. They actually exist in the lore and it's scary how powerful they seem to be.
Would be an interesting story to tell.
Guerrilla has made many mistakes with regards to failing to substantiate their extensive lore into the video games, but I don't think not allowing us to play as the Helghast is one of those mistakes. The fact is, the Helghast are just a much more visually interesting enemy than the ISA. I don't want to fight the ISA. They just look too generic.
I've talked at length, but yeah, playing from the Helghast perspective is something that isn't a good idea at all. I would have been ok with dual 'shadow marshals' in Killzone Shadowfall, but a full on 'against ISA' campaign is the wrong way fo the franchise to go. The hlghast aren't the good guys, or 'equally as wrong' as the ISA.
Hydrargyrus
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Both, ISA and Helghast are equal. No one are right and both have reasons to fight.
But as enemy, the Helghast are much more charismatic and have an aggressive look with those red glowing eyes and his masks.
But as enemy, the Helghast are much more charismatic and have an aggressive look with those red glowing eyes and his masks.
Well you're wrong on the first part and right on the second; the helghast are much better as enemies than the ISA. The Helghast are not misunderstood people that are simply portrayed as the bad guys, if you read the timeline it's clear that they are a far more heinous and repressive society than the ISA.
Cheesecakebobby
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They should give us 60fps with the feel of 30fps then
SapientWolf
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60fps with triple digit input lag would be... interesting.
Cheers. Person playing is better as well.
1:52 along with the petals on the ground really shows an aggressive LoD system, but even then the 'bad' ones don't look bad at all.
You were expecting that? I don't think they have ever done that.
The console has unified memory address space.... so that doesn't matter.
Downloaded the video, still looks compressed though - do you need to sign up to get the full uncompressed 1080p version?
cheers
Kun Aguero
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I hope we get some multiplayer details leaked soon.
electroshockwave
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Hydrargyrus
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That would be awesome!
DeFiBkIlLeR
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The fact that it never once dropped a frame below 30fps in the Digital Foundry evaluation shows the PS4 has some slack in there, so is capable of running it higher than 30fps, just not enough to run it @60fps.
Canis lupus
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Where can I find these videos, any place to watch them online?
Thanks!
http://presscenter.playstation.com
Username: SCEA
Password: SC3APR
Go to the Events tab to find stuff on Playstation Meeting 2013.
SniperHunter
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The game is in development, I am sure they will add those things. I mean even Killzone 2 and 3 had it.....
The_Hitcher89
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I don't want to play as the Helghast, but I would like to see the ISA continue down the path of making them look like the wronged party
Portugeezer
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I think the story in this one has potential, I hope they don't fuck it up, the divided land seems interesting, I hope they make each area look very diverse and unique.
I think God of War 3 was one of the few games to uncap the framerate, but only during combat I think which got a bit heated.
When games dip under 30fps many times is when you know a machine is struggling, Crysis on consoles is a good example, and sadly there are many consoles games which regularly run under 30fps. Next gen is needed.
Well it's 30 with no dips, so it probably runs a lot higher average, but not 60fps so console games always cap at 30fps to maintain better image quality (I prefer better framerate, I cap games at 45fps on PC sometimes and it doesn't bother me, if they could cap KZ SF at 40fps I would take that).
I think God of War 3 was one of the few games to uncap the framerate, but only during combat I think which got a bit heated.
When games dip under 30fps many times is when you know a machine is struggling, Crysis on consoles is a good example, and sadly there are many consoles games which regularly run under 30fps. Next gen is needed.
shinobi602
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It's the same video as before...
Considering it's from GG and running that steady on beta dev kits screams to me that the final game is going to look substantially better. Not saying that I don't think it'll be a smooth 30, it's just insanely steady for a game so far from final.
It's not the same video. Different then the one from the Sony presser. Game is played by a different guy, once you watch it you can tell.
It's the same as the Youtube clip but that one was a different playthrough from the press conference and the Faebook upload.
shinobi602
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Oh, I only watched the YouTube version. Watched the whole thing and didn't see any differences.
Very nice. Very nice indeed.
Pertaining to visuals I noticed two inconsistencies (well the latter is part of an existing problem):
Observe: In this picture how the whole screen zooms in on the target when only the sight from the scope ought to undergo the process:
Observe: In this picture we see clipping in a melee kill which KZ3 was also susceptible to. Granted it is a ephemeral occurrence but when seeing these animations multiple times, minor details such as these become more apparent. Given that this is next gen and the melee kill animations are finite, I was hoping for better cloth deformation via pre-designed animation if not procedurally generated one.
Observe: In the picture below, you see particles of smoke clipping through solid object within the red rectangle. It is quite noticeable in motion. Hopefully, in time, they can fix it.
Observe: In this picture how the whole screen zooms in on the target when only the sight from the scope ought to undergo the process:
Observe: In this picture we see clipping in a melee kill which KZ3 was also susceptible to. Granted it is a ephemeral occurrence but when seeing these animations multiple times, minor details such as these become more apparent. Given that this is next gen and the melee kill animations are finite, I was hoping for better cloth deformation via pre-designed animation if not procedurally generated one.
Observe: In the picture below, you see particles of smoke clipping through solid object within the red rectangle. It is quite noticeable in motion. Hopefully, in time, they can fix it.
Youre absolutely right. I noticed the overall lack of particles and the one they had lacked much collision. They need more gun sway and recoil as well. Mb needs to be amped up and the hit response needs more exaggeration. But its early so. Hey did anyone noticed near the end of the trailer there was a clip of kz1s intro playing on the helghast side of the wall? It was when lucas lands on top of the wall, the helghast has billboard screens with the intro playing.
Two counter points:
1. I thought that the amount of particles was far greater than anything I have seen on either current gen console and frankly was overwhelmed. However, as both of us have witness, the collision issues affect some of them. As you aptly put, these are early days yet and I suspect they didn't program those "inaccessible" portions with collision detection. But given its presence, it requires repairing.
2. While I absolutely agree on the recoil part, given the nature of the gun, it may not fit. However, more traditional weapons that fire solid projectiles accelerated by rapidly expanding gun powder should replicate KZ2's spread and ballistic profiles.
Finally, I think was the one of the first people to notice that long time back. You've got a good eye.
shinobi602
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I think everything looks amazing so far, and can see the inconsistencies you mentioned, however being around 8 months away, I think all of that will be rectified.
This is wild speculation but why kz1s intro and not 2?
Tallshortman
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Killing Rico is the right direction for the franchise. If anything let us play as helghast for like 20 minutes on a kill rico mission.
The Tofunator
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That would give him more significance than he deserves. Rico needs to be killed by accident in an easily missed scripted event.
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