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Adam Orth no longer with Microsoft

I really do not understand the schadenfreude over this.

Did you take this man's 'insult' against you so personally that you now have to celebrate him losing his livelihood over it?

I don't like that part either, but yeah, people will see this as a victory for sure and celebrate it and he should have seen that coming. Doubt he will go that long without a job, at least don't hope so, even if he was being an idiot on twitter.

Now if only Polygon punished their workers for being twats on the internet.
 

Ironlion45

Neo Member
Well, the guy messed up big time...and right away put Microsoft on the defensive about Durango; not a good place to be when it is already defending the Xbox's title as console champion.

It's kind of funny people are defending him; but look at it from Microsoft's point of view. The guy antagonized the media, and more ore less wantonly stirred up the shit when it was completely unnecessary. It was irresponsible for him to do in his position, and potentially damaged Microsoft's reputation, that of the Durango project, and definitely made it a little more difficult to market the product.

That's from a business point of view. From a practical point of view, the guy's jerkoff attitude and behavior doesn't change the underlying problems: Microsoft is not good about connecting with its customers on its best day, and if the Durango requires an always-on connection the firestorm of unhappy people is only just getting started.
 
I created the Quickmeme page.

The dorky hipster profile pic. Those priceless, misguided analogies. It fit together perfectly.

And I have no regrets. If anything, I'm glad people used it as an outlet for their satire and viciousness against the idea of Online-Only and Orth's patronising trolling.

Not to mention, some of those pics are comedy gold.
 
This story made it to the Guardian. Including a NeoGAF shoutout.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

Sorry if old.

I can't believe The Guardian made a factual error on this story.

GI was pretty clear that it hasn't been confirmed if he voluntarily resigned or was terminated.


The Guardian then referenced GI with this:

After a week of controversy, GameInformer reports that Adam Orth has now voluntarily resigned from the company..

Never thought I would see the day where GI is more accurate than The Guardian.
 

Ingeniero

Member
He made a big mistake that cost him his job, he was a douche in his tweets but maybe he was really just joking with his friends, I kind of feel bad for him.

I hope he can bounce and resurrect his career.
 
His actions of having an opinion and sharing it publicly? Oh no :(

Yea, with the way you talk, I could see you easily getting fired by your own employer for the same thing. ;)

Anyway, I agree that it still doesn't make it right -- though we don't have confirmation he was fired as far as I understand.
 

Rich!

Member
I fired an employee last year for mocking the company and various customers on his Facebook.

Good employee, but the policy for social media sites with regards to mentioning the company was made very clear in each contract.

I don't know why people are shocked by this. If you attack your employer or their customers on a publicly viewable place/page, you are going to face disciplinary measures.
 

LiK

Member
I fired an employee last year for mocking the company and various customers on his Facebook.

Good employee, but the policy for social media sites with regards to mentioning the employee was made very clear in each contract.

I don't know why people are shocked by this. If you attack your employer or their customers on a publicly viewable place/page, you are going to face disciplinary measures.

Which is why I tell no one where I work and if I mock anyone I don't mention names or departments. People need to be smart about what they vent online.
 

Dali

Member
His actions of having an opinion and sharing it publicly? Oh no :(

No. His actions of being a dick when sharing his opinion whilst simultaneously being in a position to make his "opinion" a reality, thus making it easy to assume at least some of the reasoning behind his company's decision to go in a certain direction with their design decisions were based on his dick logic. He represented his company in a negative light and alienated prospective customers. He was high up enough to where his words and actions can be seen as representing the company even if he was not an official mouth piece. I'm sure he'll exercise better judgement at his next job.

I fired an employee last year for mocking the company and various customers on his Facebook.

Good employee, but the policy for social media sites with regards to mentioning the employee was made very clear in each contract.

I don't know why people are shocked by this. If you attack your employer or their customers on a publicly viewable place/page, you are going to face disciplinary measures.

This too. Most companies have a clear social media policy in this day and age. I'd find it hard to believe MS wouldn't have one. Dude just goofed and he reaped what he sowed.
 
I'm glad I mostly stayed away from this. I can't enjoy somebody losing their job over some inconsiderate tweets.

That said, I don't think the OP of that thread is at fault either. It's reasonable to see something like that posted from a Microsoft employee and wonder if it means anything or lends credence to an already pervasive rumour.

Some of the vitriol that followed was shameful, but that's on those people, not the OP or the people reporting the story.

Shrugs all around I guess.
 
No. His actions of being a dick when sharing his opinion whilst simultaneously being in a position to make his "opinion" a reality, thus making it easy to assume at least some of the reasoning behind his company's decision to go in a certain direction with their design decisions were based on his dick logic. He represented his company in a negative light and alienated prospective customers. He was high up enough to where his words and actions can be seen as representing the company even if he was not an official mouth piece. I'm sure he'll exercise better judgement at his next job.

If he gets one.
 

RionaaM

Unconfirmed Member
The "boo, boo GAF!" agenda is so transparent and dull. Like this place is some organised, militant group of degenerate internet heathens out to ruin lives. It's a public form. Like Twitter. Like Facebook. Like the rest. Expose and make a poor example of yourself and people will pick up on it, and it will probably spread, especially if you're a celebrity name of any sort, or are speaking in association with a well known organisation.

Maybe one day people will wake up and realise this before behaving poorly on the most accessible, connected, and wide spread information sharing network in human history. Stop treating the internet as your personal safe haven soapbox. Stop disassociating yourself from your own behavior and blaming others for the way it spirals out of control. How many people have a sense of pride over their hundreds, if not thousands, of Twitter and Facebook followers, then refuse to be held accountable when these followers pick up on poor behavior?

Make yourself public, and everything you say becomes public. There's no other spin. You are single handedly responsible for your behavior. If you don't want this shit to happen, lock your profiles down to private access, or don't use the internet as a platform for your rants, arguments, and debates.

It's sad when shit like this happens. It's sad when people are bullied online. But at the end of the day, you should have known better.
This needs to be quoted and re-quoted and quoted again.
 

Cynar

Member
I fired an employee last year for mocking the company and various customers on his Facebook.

Good employee, but the policy for social media sites with regards to mentioning the employee was made very clear in each contract.

I don't know why people are shocked by this.
If you attack your employer or their customers on a publicly viewable place/page, you are going to face disciplinary measures.

This. It's not hard to understand. Every employer now usually has policies like this. He could've been an amazing an employee and a good person but he screwed up majorly. You can't really defend this guy. He knew what to do and he broke company policy, and potentially created a pr nightmare.
 
His actions of having an opinion and sharing it publicly? Oh no :(

I don't think he should have been fired as i believe in rehabilitation but Microsoft were obviously unhappy with the situation he had put them in and responded accordingly.

It was Microsoft's procedures that lost him his job, they could easily have told him to keep his head down, work hard and everyone will move on soon but they didn't.
 

JBourne

maybe tomorrow it rains
He's talking about a console they haven't even announced yet. His resignation isn't due to him being rude on the internet. He was commenting on rumors, and very likely confirming them. You're not supposed to do that.

A bunch of replies popped up before I posted this, but it's in reference to people implying he was fired for just expressing his opinion and offending people.
 
Tough lesson and a hard way to learn it. He had a fairly senior position, though; I'm surprised he ever took to twitter with anything negative.
 
When I was a kid this stinky weird kid saw me take a marker from my teacher so I could use it at home. The next morning before I put the marker back my teacher with horrible shit breath and a fupa the size of small bean bag searched my bag and found the marker. She yelled at me, informed my mom I was a thief, and gave me detention for a week.

I took the marker so it was my fault right? Yes it was
Does taking a single marker without permission for 16 hours actually matter? No it does not
Should that kid just have kept his mouth shut? Hell yes, this kid thought he was being some sort of hero for his teacher. Instead all it did was make my life suck for a couple weeks and my mom possibly think I was a thief. All because of a mother fucking marker...

What you guys need to realize before you go on one of these heroic crusades for internet justice is this. You guys acted like a bunch a manbabies on the internet, causing this huge uproar because some dude said some dumb shit. Your uproar got so big, that you got this man fired; and for what? Because he said a thing that you disagreed with, not a important social issue or something like this that would warrant such an outrage. No, you got him fired because of his opinion on gaming...

What if he goes home and kills himself? You guys don't know him, he could be depressed. What if he flips out and hurts someone? You don't know if he has mental issues.

All I can hope for is for some of you, before you post stuff like this, think about what you are actually upset about. Are videogames really a thing to devote your venom and hate towards?

Please don't pretend either that GAF didn't get this man fired either. You absolutely did.


Wait what?

Do you have no concept of personal responsibility? YOU took the marker, You knew it was wrong but you still did and you was caught. The facts don't change because your teach had bad breath or the child that told on you had a grude. You made the decision and you were made to suffer the consequences.

I was a notorious thief as a child, not "borrowing" actually stealing. At no point if I was ever caught would I blame anyone else for my wrongdoing or any suffering I endured from being punished for it.

You did the crime you do the time.

The idea that you don't understand your role in this event years later and still are portraying the same spoilt attitude is seriously worrying. Please do not raise children of your own. we have enough fuckups in the world as it is.

As for Orth, Im not responsible for another grown mans actions. If he is depressed he needs to get help. If hurts someone he will deal with the consequences of such an action.
 

RionaaM

Unconfirmed Member
When I was a kid this stinky weird kid saw me take a marker from my teacher so I could use it at home. The next morning before I put the marker back my teacher with horrible shit breath and a fupa the size of small bean bag searched my bag and found the marker. She yelled at me, informed my mom I was a thief, and gave me detention for a week.

I took the marker so it was my fault right? Yes it was
Does taking a single marker without permission for 16 hours actually matter? No it does not
Should that kid just have kept his mouth shut? Hell yes, this kid thought he was being some sort of hero for his teacher. Instead all it did was make my life suck for a couple weeks and my mom possibly think I was a thief. All because of a mother fucking marker...

What you guys need to realize before you go on one of these heroic crusades for internet justice is this. You guys acted like a bunch a manbabies on the internet, causing this huge uproar because some dude said some dumb shit. Your uproar got so big, that you got this man fired; and for what? Because he said a thing that you disagreed with, not a important social issue or something like this that would warrant such an outrage. No, you got him fired because of his opinion on gaming...

What if he goes home and kills himself? You guys don't know him, he could be depressed. What if he flips out and hurts someone? You don't know if he has mental issues.

All I can hope for is for some of you, before you post stuff like this, think about what you are actually upset about. Are videogames really a thing to devote your venom and hate towards?

Please don't pretend either that GAF didn't get this man fired either. You absolutely did.
Wow. Markers are serious business.

Also, sorry for killing Orth.
 
His actions of having an opinion and sharing it publicly? Oh no :(
Sharing it publicly. In a rude and inflammatory manner. On an account that proclaims "Creative Director at Microsoft Studios." After a rumor story about "always-online" had just been published, lending it credence. With regard to the billion dollar project that Microsoft doesn't publicly acknowledge the existence of yet.

But let's ignore all that pesky context.
 

sykoex

Lost all credibility.
I wonder if he would still be at MS if he was commenting on fact instead of a rumor?

Anyway, If I were him and I wanted to publicly voice something about that Kotaku article, I probably would have just expressed disappointment with how seriously everyone is taking these rumors, tell people to wait for the real announcement, and not get any more specific on my personal thoughts on the online-only issue. To vehemently defend online-only like he did heavily implies to the public that it is in fact what MS is doing.
 
Man, Gaf's a cold place today. Seems like nerds have a lack of empathy after all.
You never made a stupid mistake? Never? Would you have wanted to lose your job over it?

Leave the man alone.
 

xenist

Member
When I was a kid this stinky weird kid saw me take a marker from my teacher so I could use it at home. The next morning before I put the marker back my teacher with horrible shit breath and a fupa the size of small bean bag searched my bag and found the marker. She yelled at me, informed my mom I was a thief, and gave me detention for a week.

I took the marker so it was my fault right? Yes it was
Does taking a single marker without permission for 16 hours actually matter? No it does not
Should that kid just have kept his mouth shut? Hell yes, this kid thought he was being some sort of hero for his teacher. Instead all it did was make my life suck for a couple weeks and my mom possibly think I was a thief. All because of a mother fucking marker...

What you guys need to realize before you go on one of these heroic crusades for internet justice is this. You guys acted like a bunch a manbabies on the internet, causing this huge uproar because some dude said some dumb shit. Your uproar got so big, that you got this man fired; and for what? Because he said a thing that you disagreed with, not a important social issue or something like this that would warrant such an outrage. No, you got him fired because of his opinion on gaming...

What if he goes home and kills himself? You guys don't know him, he could be depressed. What if he flips out and hurts someone? You don't know if he has mental issues.

All I can hope for is for some of you, before you post stuff like this, think about what you are actually upset about. Are videogames really a thing to devote your venom and hate towards?

Please don't pretend either that GAF didn't get this man fired either. You absolutely did.

This has to be the funniest post in the thread so far. Well done.
 

Chinner

Banned
Man, Gaf's a cold place today. Seems like nerds have a lack of empathy after all.

just wait unti they make their girl-age threads. they'll be crying about how girls hate them because they're nice guys and how they have the social abilities of a dog turd because they were too busy hacking twilight princess on their wiis rather than going outside and talking to people like normal people
 
Man, Gaf's a cold place today. Seems like nerds have a lack of empathy after all.
You never made a stupid mistake? Never? Would you have wanted to lose your job over it?

Leave the man alone.

I would only give credence to these people if we really knew that he lost his job because it was significantly affecting MS.

Can't see that being the case here.

Also, we don't really know if he was fired or if he voluntarily left.

Also, here's some industry quotes from people who can be just egregious, but they kept their jobs!


"The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."
- Bobby Kotick (not fired)

"The Wii is a piece of $#&%!"
- Chris Hecker (not fired)

"Things break."
- Peter Moore (not fired)

"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
- Peter Molyneux (not fired)

..

Oh and here is a special one for GAF:

"And your contribution to society is?"
- Jeff Bell (not fired)
 
just wait unti they make their girl-age threads. they'll be crying about how girls hate them because they're nice guys and how they have the social abilities of a dog turd because they were too busy twilight princess on their wiis rather than going outside and talking to people like normal people

They'll cry into their anime pillows like crazy...
 

Jhriad

Member
The "boo, boo GAF!" agenda is so transparent and dull. Like this place is some organised, militant group of degenerate internet heathens out to ruin lives. It's a public form. Like Twitter. Like Facebook. Like the rest. Expose and make a poor example of yourself and people will pick up on it, and it will probably spread, especially if you're a celebrity name of any sort, or are speaking in association with a well known organisation.

Maybe one day people will wake up and realise this before behaving poorly on the most accessible, connected, and wide spread information sharing network in human history. Stop treating the internet as your personal safe haven soapbox. Stop disassociating yourself from your own behavior and blaming others for the way it spirals out of control. How many people have a sense of pride over their hundreds, if not thousands, of Twitter and Facebook followers, then refuse to be held accountable when these followers pick up on poor behavior?

Make yourself public, and everything you say becomes public. There's no other spin. You are single handedly responsible for your behavior. If you don't want this shit to happen, lock your profiles down to private access, or don't use the internet as a platform for your rants, arguments, and debates.

It's sad when shit like this happens. It's sad when people are bullied online. But at the end of the day, you should have known better.

I know it's a long one but I had to quote this on the off chance anyone missed it. Bravo EC.
 
Man, Gaf's a cold place today. Seems like nerds have a lack of empathy after all.
You never made a stupid mistake? Never? Would you have wanted to lose your job over it?

Leave the man alone.

just wait unti they make their girl-age threads. they'll be crying about how girls hate them because they're nice guys and how they have the social abilities of a dog turd because they were too busy hacking twilight princess on their wiis rather than going outside and talking to people like normal people

They'll cry into their anime pillows like crazy...

nerd calling nerds nerdy
 

Steroyd

Member
This stuff here scares me. Heard on the Joe Rogan podcast that two guys was sitting a diner and telling each other dick jokes, when a stranger (self-proclaimed "feminist") took a picture of them. slapped it on her twitter, and opened her presentation (at the conference they were at) at these two gentlemens women-insulting jokes.

As a consequence one of the guys got fired. then 4chan got involved, and got her fired. And this political-correctness everywhere is just sad.


I dont think you should lose your jobs for saying offensive jobs to your friend, and perhaps you shouldnt get an entire collective to hate you for saying something silly on twitter. I mean.. the list is long. Jay Wilson, Phil Harrison, Dennis Dyack. There are so many people who "gets it" once they are on the bad side of the internet.

The issue is that a "joke" from behind closed doors is taken out into the public domain for the world to see, just imagine the shit hitting the fan if Barack Obama made a black joke from something off a cartoon like Boondocks or South Park to his friends/colleagues and it was recorded and put on youtube.
 

Limit

Member
Very unfortunate turn of events. The guy lost his livelihood because of a couple of twitter brain farts. Since he was in a fairly high corporate position, I imagine he and his family is ok financially for the near future.

And now that this is over, hopefully all those who contributed to this faux internet outrage will be applying their skills to more worthwhile social causes. There is plenty in the world to be legitimately angry about.
 

Lunar15

Member
Whether you care about Always Online or not, that's really not the main takeaway from this. The main takeaway is that you really need to be careful on twitter if you're representing your company.

Twitter isn't like hanging out with your friends at home. It's a fucking megaphone.
 
I usually call GAF out when they pile on someone in the industry; this seems deserved. Guy was a straight up prick and Microsoft made the right decision to force him out.
 
The issue is that a "joke" from behind closed doors is taken out into the public domain for the world to see, just imagine the shit hitting the fan if Barack Obama made a black joke from something off a cartoon like Boondocks or South Park to his friends/colleagues and it was recorded and put on youtube.

He'd get replaced next election or have a poor mid-term, but wouldn't lose his job unless he resigned.


Whether you care about Always Online or not, that's really not the main takeaway from this. The main takeaway is that you really need to be careful on twitter if you're representing your company.


We don't know if he was fired.
 
Unless it's another vg industry exec who doesn't.
Perhaps, those individuals were deemed of sufficient worth to their respective organizations to warrant retention? Or as EviLore already put it.
Is he a unique, indispensable talent? Is he a genuinely good person who acted rashly but will learn and grow from the mistake? Is the company able to save face without removing him? Clearly there weren't any yeses.
 
nerd calling nerds nerdy

Of course I am a nerd. As are you and probably everyone on this board.
However, there's a difference between being interested in a hobby and reading about it/participating in a community and expressing your immense schadenfreude based on the firing of a man who has said something that you dislike about a console launch.

Big difference.
We are all emotionally involved in our hobby and rightly so. But the comments of some of the people in this thread are horrible. As in: no moral compass at all.
 
Twitter claims another...

AND THAT DAMN SHINOBI

In all seriousness, it's all on him. He made the tweets, he wouldn't back down. He doubled down on the snark, and paid the price.

I've made plenty of mistakes and had stuff backfire. But it's how you handle it afterwards that matters. He didn't come correct, and now here we are.
 
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534951

Shh..

He's a douchebag that should have been fired.

Stick to the script.

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Looks like an apology to me. Even the person he was talking to confirmed they were joking. It was a stupid mistake which cost him his job and that's fine, I just don't see any reason to continue to pile on him.

You guys are still acting like that's the only thing that got people mad? Really?
 
He presumably came very close to indirectly confirming company secrets, on a public forum where (If I recall correctly) his employer was clearly identified on his profile, so I can't blame them if they requested he resign. If the head of NDCube had gone on Twitter last year and said that customers were stupid for wanting downloadable content that wasn't locked to a console the result should have been the same.
 
Perhaps, those individuals were deemed of sufficient worth to their respective organizations to warrant retention? Or as EviLore already put it.

We don't have any evidence that his actions would cause any significant problems to MS.

It also isn't confirmed if he left voluntarily or was fired.

So I would clear those up first before making assumptions.. that is if you actually care about not making them.
 
And to reiterate what others said, he pretty clearly came close or outright did reveal company secrets publicly. Take out everything else, and that's still there.
 

Burai

shitonmychest57
Sure, but direct termination should be a last resort.

His comments were pretty mild.

I don't think he should have been fired as i believe in rehabilitation but Microsoft were obviously unhappy with the situation he had put them in and responded accordingly.

It was Microsoft's procedures that lost him his job, they could easily have told him to keep his head down, work hard and everyone will move on soon but they didn't.

I don't know any business that wouldn't fire an employee that insulted their customers.

I don't know any business that wouldn't fire an employee who broke an NDA surrounding a multi-billion dollar product launch.

This guy did both. There's no rehabilitation to be had here.
 
He presumably came very close to indirectly confirming company secrets, on a public forum where (If I recall correctly) his employer was clearly identified on his profile, so I can't blame them if they requested he resign. If the head of NDCube had gone on Twitter last year and said that customers were stupid for wanting downloadable content that wasn't locked to a console the result should have been the same.

Wouldn't this confirm he actually revealed company secrets, thus making the cover firing of Orth the confirmation?

I don't know any business that wouldn't fire an employee that insulted their customers.

I don't know any business that wouldn't fire an employee who broke an NDA surrounding a multi-billion dollar product launch.

This guy did both. There's no rehabilitation to be had here.


This might be something about my sensitivity, but what are the insults you're referring to?
 
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