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Is Anime one of the dirtiest entertaiment businesses out there?

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Jex

Jex

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B!TCH said:
Just how lucrative is anime? I am not familiar with the anime business but what is stopping the animators from getting another job if it's as bad as you say it is?
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The love of drawing little girls.

It's not really luncrative in the slightest. That's why lots of people aren't training up to be traditional animators, they're choosing to learn how to produce CG animation.
 
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Manmademan

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Broach said:
Hm, the strangest that is actually harmless?
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The entire adult industry is harmless. Then there's entire fields of scientific research that would blow your mind if you knew how much money was spent on it per year.

There are people right now making puppies and kittens that glow in the dark, just for fun.
 
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Epcott

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Broach said:
not entertaiment
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My little friend thinks otherwise!
 
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Broach

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Manmademan said:
The entire adult industry is harmless. Then there's entire fields of scientific research that would blow your mind if you knew how much money was spent on it per year.

There are people right now making puppies and kittens that glow in the dark, just for fun.
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Well Science isn't entertaiment.
 
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lethial

Reeeeeeee
Manmademan said:
nowhere close.

edit: This is what the CIA did during the 1950s. I'd bet serious money worse shit is done by them now, or by intelligence worldwide.



your government was running top secret LSD fueled mind control experiments using hookers. But tell us again how strange anime is.
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CIA probably got the idea from a manga.
 
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Freezasaurus

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Jexhius said:
I've never read anything that would confirm that suspicion, but average season length has definitely reduced over time, at least according to the data I crunched.
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Jexhius said:
I've never read anything that would confirm that suspicion, but average season length has definitely reduced over time, at least according to the data I crunched.
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Just looking back at some of the more popular series, it's obviously a recent trend:

Tenchi Universe - Ended September 1995 - 26 Episodes
Neon Genesis Evangelion - Ended March 1996 - 26 Episodes
Trigun - Ended September 1998 - 26 Episodes
Serial Experiments Lain - Ended September 1998 - 13 Episodes
Cowboy Bebop - Ended April 1999 - 26 Episodes
Love Hina - Ended Sept. 2000 - 25 Episodes
Blue Gender - Ended ??? 2000 - 26 Episodes
Last Exile - Ended September 2003 - 26 Episodes
Burst Angel - Ended September 2004 - 26 Episodes
Sunabozu (Desert Punk) - Ended March 2005 - 24 Episodes
Negima - Ended March 2005 - 26 Episodes

Lain was the only 13 episode series out of all of the ones I just listed. Now, occasionally you would get a series like Eureka 7 or Code Geass that go on for even longer, but 24-26 episodes was the standard.

Today, outside of the big serials like Bleach or Naruto, it's getting harder to find one that runs on longer than 13 episodes.
 
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Freezasaurus said:
Lain was the only 13 episode series out of all of the ones I just listed. Now, occasionally you would get a series like Eureka 7 or Code Geass that go on for even longer, but 24-26 episodes was the standard.

Today, outside of the big serials like Bleach or Naruto, it's getting harder to find one that runs on longer than 13 episodes.
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It could be happy coincidence that the ones that were licensed were all in the 25-26 episode range. After all, these shows represent a bare fraction of everything that was broadcast in Japan at the time.
 
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cajunator

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Its possible.
Although how can they realistically pay animators more on those razor thin margins? animation isnt something you do to make a living but out of passion for the job.
Doesnt make it right of course. It just is what it is.
 
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B!TCH

how are you, B!TCH? How is your day going, B!ITCH?
Jexhius said:
The love of drawing little girls.

It's not really luncrative in the slightest. That's why lots of people aren't training up to be traditional animators, they're choosing to learn how to produce CG animation.
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Hahaha!

Wait, you mean the anime business as a whole isn't lucrative, right? I'm just asking because for someone who doesn't actively follow anime, it's really easy to forget it even exists. Never really see it on TV or in movie theaters (I guess unless you were specifically looking for it). I only ever hear people talk about anime on the internet so it always came across to me as a very niche product for a very specific group which itself is already part of a niche.
 
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CyclopsRock

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In fairness, there are about 8 frames of animation in an average 22 minute episode of anime. I think there are only three or four anime animators in the world iirc.
 
Jex

Jex

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Freezasaurus said:
Just looking back at some of the more popular series, it's obviously a recent trend:

Lain was the only 13 episode series out of all of the ones I just listed. Now, occasionally you would get a series like Eureka 7 or Code Geass that go on for even longer, but 24-26 episodes was the standard.

Today, outside of the big serials like Bleach or Naruto, it's getting harder to find one that runs on longer than 13 episodes.
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Haly said:
It could be happy coincidence that the ones that were licensed were all in the 25-26 episode range. After all, these shows represent a bare fraction of everything that was broadcast in Japan at the time.
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Eh, I haven't looked at all the data, but I looked at every single show produced in four specific years and worked out the average length of a season for that particular year. 278 titles were counted for this:

 
Jex

Jex

Member
B!TCH said:
Hahaha!

Wait, you mean the anime business as a whole isn't lucrative, right? I'm just asking because for someone who doesn't actively follow anime, it's really easy to forget it even exists.
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No, it's not particularly lucrative, even in it's home market. You have the odd massive success story like a Ghibli or Hosoda or Evangelion movie, and then you have a bunch of titles that are moderately successful with otaku and then the rest are complete failures. Staff are paid poorly, exceedingly poorly for the hours they have to pull to produce a work, and companies don't really make any money doing it.

Outside the main domestic market anime is most successful is in France, with a few select works being hits in US and elsewhere. Now, this isn't to say that it doesn't have some fans in America, according to the anime convention numbers at least. Here is a selection of the total number of people attending anime cons in the US over some specific years. I imagine these fugues are inflated as the conventions themselves are contributing the numbers:

2004: 97195
2005: 117764
2006: 140,580
2007: 166,946
2008: 186,868
2009: 198,565
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But only a small selection of the fanbase actually buys the product.
 
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hosannainexcelsis

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Jexhius said:
Eh, I haven't looked at all the data, but I looked at every single show produced in four specific years and worked out the average length of a season for that particular year. 278 titles were counted for this:
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It should be mentioned here that the number of TV anime being made in a year grew immensely during the 2000s. Late-night anime, and with it 13-episode shows, only came into being in the late 1990s, and the growth of that market heavily weighted the bulk of TV anime towards shorter productions. Daytime anime shows still run for at least 25 episodes, and usually longer.
 
Jex

Jex

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hosannainexcelsis said:
It should be mentioned here that the number of TV anime being made in a year grew immensely during the 2000s. Late-night anime, and with it 13-episode shows, only came into being in the late 1990s, and the growth of that market heavily weighted the bulk of TV anime towards shorter productions. Daytime anime shows still run for at least 25 episodes, and usually longer.
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Absolutely, although I never had the time to cross reference each show against the time of day that it was airing, even though that would make the data far more useful for discussion. It would, however, take hours of work.
 
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Femmeworth

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It would be interesting to compare it to other industries that exploit nerds/geeks/social outcasts. Since it exploits so many workers, I would think that alone makes it worse than most in its category. It's impact on gender politics is the proverbial icing on the shit cake.
 
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RedSwirl

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Also, in case a lot of people in this thread don't know, anime prices in Japan are pretty damn ridiculous. While you might be able to get 26 episodes on Blu-Ray in North America for $60, in Japan you might pay $80 for two episodes. Companies over in Japan are pulling some pretty stupid moves just to prevent their home audience from reverse importing the NA Blu-Rays.
 
Jex

Jex

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Also, the OP's argument, such that it is, needlessly conflates the process by which anime is created and the market that it's aimed at.

Are the working conditions for animators bad and their pay crappy? Yes.
Are a number of works clearly created to cater to the fetish of a particular group? Yes.

Are these two necessarily related? No. The former has been true since the beginning of the traditional anime industry. The later is a more recent phenomenon.
 
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Ratrat

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RedSwirl said:
Also, in case a lot of people in this thread don't know, anime prices in Japan are pretty damn ridiculous. While you might be able to get 26 episodes on Blu-Ray in North America for $60, in Japan you might pay $80 for two episodes. Companies over in Japan are pulling some pretty stupid moves just to prevent their home audience from reverse importing the NA Blu-Rays.
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But pretty much any anime is available for rental so only hardcore fans would buy them any way. Also the price thing isn't exclusive to anime.
 
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
B!TCH said:
Just how lucrative is anime? I am not familiar with the anime business but what is stopping the animators from getting another job if it's as bad as you say it is?
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Love of drawing pedo bait the medium.
 
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Steroyd

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Freezasaurus said:
Just looking back at some of the more popular series, it's obviously a recent trend:

Tenchi Universe - Ended September 1995 - 26 Episodes
Neon Genesis Evangelion - Ended March 1996 - 26 Episodes
Trigun - Ended September 1998 - 26 Episodes
Serial Experiments Lain - Ended September 1998 - 13 Episodes
Cowboy Bebop - Ended April 1999 - 26 Episodes
Love Hina - Ended Sept. 2000 - 25 Episodes
Blue Gender - Ended ??? 2000 - 26 Episodes
Last Exile - Ended September 2003 - 26 Episodes
Burst Angel - Ended September 2004 - 26 Episodes
Sunabozu (Desert Punk) - Ended March 2005 - 24 Episodes
Negima - Ended March 2005 - 26 Episodes

Lain was the only 13 episode series out of all of the ones I just listed. Now, occasionally you would get a series like Eureka 7 or Code Geass that go on for even longer, but 24-26 episodes was the standard.

Today, outside of the big serials like Bleach or Naruto, it's getting harder to find one that runs on longer than 13 episodes.
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In recent years, shows have started to split their airing with a season gap inbetween (Medaka Box, Jourmugand, Rinne no Lagrange, Fate Zero for examples), some of which are a continuation and counts as one long run, and then there's something like Medaka box which is seen as season 1 and season 2 even though both were aired in the same year.
 
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DarknessTear

Banned
Broach said:
The animators get paid even less than people working at McDonalds. Minimum wage.

Then they sell the Anime and Merch ridicioulusly overpriced, just so to couple of thousand freaks buy it. And they don't make it cheaper cause it's proven that only these couple of thousands will buy it. And to an extent they are selling alot of these people legal kiddy porn and other fetishes, they are exploiting them. If they make the Animator's salary higher the Anime would not be affordable anymore to sell.

I dunno I think it's pretty fucking shady. It's like the most colorful underground deal ever.
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I don't get it. Are you hating on it? Because... in your fetish thread you posted:

Broach said:
Post them

Feet
Leg Lock
Outdoor
Voyeur
Missionary
Loli Femdom (2D)
Bare Legs
X-Ray Intercourse (2D)
Shota+Adult Women (2D)
Small aerolas
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JakOfTheShadows

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Manmademan said:
your government was running top secret LSD fueled mind control experiments using hookers
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So what you're telling me is that not only did the government provide sex, but they got you high, and recorded it all for you on video like a souvenir from a roller coaster ride at an amusement park?
 
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