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[GhaleonQ]

SEGAGAGA?

That's the only 1 that comes to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3GwDeDisx8
Sega, Sega--Oota-ku, Tokyo,
Keikyu Haneda Airport line, Ohtorii station.
Game creation is our sanctuary in life,
Yet victory is still far away.
We stumble and get depressed, but we move on.
Sega, Sega--oh, move on to tomorrow.

Sega, Sega--near the Tama River.
Take the Haneda-guchi exit off Shuto Highway, then head to Kanpachi.
Arrows and bullets spent, without friends,
Yet our minds and spirits soar higher.
Jump for joy! Let's help each other and stand together!
Sega, Sega--oh, move on to tomorrow.

Sega, Sega--oh, move on to tomorrow.


It is my favorite song consisting mostly of travel directions.

 

[MYeager]

Just curious, what are the other Game Development Simulation games that came before Game Dev Story?

Game Tycoon
GameBiz 1/2
Segagaga (which is more RPG than business management)

 

[Ikael]

To all developers around the world: watch and learn, this is how you make proper DRM.

 

[zroid]

clever

To all developers around the world: watch and learn, this is how you make proper DRM.

well it's not like actual pirates can't crack the "real" version of the game. this isn't really DRM, just a sneaky way of catching pirates unawares

 

[th4tguy]

**removed as better example already given**

 

[tsab]

clever



well it's not like actual pirates can't crack the "real" version of the game. this isn't really DRM, just a sneaky way of catching pirates unawares

or troll them

 

[th4tguy]

With a sign next to it that says "free pie"

In this case the sign would of said, " Apple pie, made by this person. No bugs, no poison, still fresh."

In the torrent description it didn't tell people to download it.

 

[Mr.Monitor]

Really cool idea. I wish more devs handled piracy this way.

Edit: Too bad the game seems like garbage.

 

[fenners]

Just curious, what are the other Game Development Simulation games that came before Game Dev Story?

Software Star

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Star

 

[Keyser Soze]

This game seems awesome...

 

[lastflowers]

The game is also out on the windows 8 marketplace...if anyone has win8.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

well it's not like actual pirates can't crack the "real" version of the game. this isn't really DRM, just a sneaky way of catching pirates unawares

sounds like the pirater's edition is better than the actual game, with a proper true ending. only the pirates got the CANONICAL version. genuine customers fucked over again.

 

[Fugu]

People who already didn't pay for your game will continue not paying for your game because you decided to release to them a worse version of a bad product! Congratulations!

I just don't see the rationale behind this kind of behavior. I'm guessing spite. Treating people who steal your game as a contiguous group to be combated as a whole is both illogical and pointless.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

Is there a demo? If not is the officially released free version ok to download or is that still illegal.

Yes there is a demo and there is no 'officially released free' version. So yes, downloading it is illegal.

I don't know why people are having such a hard time grasping the concept of why downloading the torrent is still illegal regardless of the uploader?
In many ways it is no different than someone with the intent of paying for sex approching an undercover cop posing as a prostitute. The prostitute being a cop doesn't make the person any less of a John, or any less of a criminal act.

At this point I feel it would be fair argue that any person currently downloading the pirated version could be doing so with the intent of using it as a demo, with knowledge of developers public statement.

 

[Moral Panic]

Yes there is a demo and there is no 'officially released free' version. So yes, downloading it is illegal.

I don't know why people are having such a hard time grasping the concept of why downloading the torrent is still illegal regardless of the uploader?
In many ways it is no different than someone with the intent of paying for sex approching an undercover cop posing as a prostitute. The prostitute being a cop doesn't make the person any less of a John, or any less of a criminal act.

At this point I feel it would be fair argue that any person currently downloading the pirated version could be doing so with the intent of using it as a demo, with knowledge of developers public statement.

It's not illegal. If the uploaded is the owner then the owner is the one distributing it out for free, then it's not illegal.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

People who already didn't pay for your game will continue not paying for your game because you decided to release to them a worse version of a bad product! Congratulations!

I just don't see the rationale behind this kind of behavior. I'm guessing spite. Treating people who steal your game as a contiguous group to be combated as a whole is both illogical and pointless.

And why should devs treat them any better? They're not gonna buy the game anyway so you might as well flip them the bird.

 

[antitrop]

The game is also out on the windows 8 marketplace...if anyone has win8.

Is that a service pack for Windows 7? Where can I download it?

 

[gabbo]

People who already didn't pay for your game will continue not paying for your game because you decided to release to them a worse version of a bad product! Congratulations!

I just don't see the rationale behind this kind of behavior. I'm guessing spite. Treating people who steal your game as a contiguous group to be combated as a whole is both illogical and pointless.

Probably part of the reason for the blog post. Make people aware/try to convert a few pirates with quirk, and to stop bad word of mouth from people who have pirated the game.

 

[Warm Machine]

This is the best bit of viral marketing I've seen. Every news and blog site picked this up and now everyone who reads those sites knows what Game Dev Tycoon is. This game has been available on Win 8 for about 3 weeks and I hadn't read a single thing about it anywhere.

 

[Fugu]

And why should devs treat them any better? They're not gonna buy the game anyway so you might as well flip them the bird.

Based on what are you assuming that people who download games illegally also necessarily do not purchase them?

Probably part of the reason for the blog post. Make people aware/try to convert a few pirates with quirk, and to stop bad word of mouth from people who have pirated the game.

I think (and, quite honestly, hope) that the bad word of mouth supersedes the good.

 

[akira28]

Wow. I feel like this should be in the OP.

Well, I think the point is kind of ruined by their involvement. They put out their own 0-day release, so it was probably snapped up by people who very well might have bought the game. Are there any other cracked versions out by now?

And some of those 3000 cracked users might have just been demoing before a purchase.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Lmao! Comedy gold.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

It's not illegal. If the uploaded is the owner then the owner is the one distributing it out for free, then it's not illegal.

they're also distributing a different version for free than the one they're selling. so unless the proper version of the game they're selling has been pirated, no copies have been pirated of this game yet. :-D

 

[Wickerbasket]

Hopefully more people try out some of Kairosoft's games now that Game Dev Story is getting some coverage. I've always found their games to be really enjoyable.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

Hopefully more people try out some of Kairosoft's games now that Game Dev Story is getting some coverage. I've always found their games to be really enjoyable.

didn't those games always get a lot of coverage?

 

[angular graphics]

Wow. I feel like this should be in the OP.

That's about 3000 people that would have never heard of the game if a torrent wasn't released.

 

[Drkirby]

The game is on Greenlight if any of you care. It being on Steam would likely get it a few more sales:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=134714217

 

[antitrop]

didn't those games always get a lot of coverage?

Probably more than they deserved, even.

 

[mnemovore]

Can anyone who has bought this game confirm or deny the accusations on Steam that this is a blatant copy of Game Dev Story?

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

I think (and, quite honestly, hope) that the bad word of mouth supersedes the good.

What bad word of mouth? Pirates whining that the game they stole isn't working, only to be laughed at and shamed online?

That's the best word of mouth you can make about this. Sure as hell beats Ubisoft's DRM and all the types which disadvantage the paying customer.

 

[nikos]

A+, might buy the game based on that alone.

 

[Elixist]

Man so this is a rip off of that other Game Dev game? The irony train continues i guess. I thought it was just a continuation of that game (never played it). Pretty gross imo.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Can anyone who has bought this game confirm or deny the accusations on Steam that this is a blatant copy of Game Dev Story?

You can play the demo for free.

It's about as blatant as you can get without being sued.

 

[Meier]

Kairosoft didn't invent anything.

you can't have a copyright on a management game and this one is different from game dev story.

Game Dev Story came out in 1997 so it's unlikely there were any comparable titles within the game development sector prior to it. But it isn't just about the fact they've taken the concept wholesale, it's the fact that they've done so while taking the name. By doing this, they're making the average consumer believe it is from the same company as the original game that popularized the theme.

It would be like making a platform game where you jumped on turtles and avoided flying bullets that was named Super Mario Sisters. They could have chosen any number of titles for this but to take a very specific game and copy its ideas AND its title is gross and should not be rewarded by anyone.

 

[Jackben]

Game Dev Story came out in 1997 so it's unlikely there were any comparable titles within the game development sector prior to it. But it isn't just about the fact they've taken the concept wholesale, it's the fact that they've done so while taking the name. By doing this, they're making the average consumer believe it is from the same company as the original game that popularized the theme.

It would be like making a platform game where you jumped on turtles and avoided flying bullets that was named Super Mario Sisters. They could have chosen any number of titles for this but to take a very specific game and copy its ideas AND its title is gross and should not be rewarded by anyone.

Even the review blurbs that you get after releasing the game are nearly word for word the same as what you see when you release one in Game Dev Story.

 

[Biff]

Piracy = bad, IP theft = good.

Thanks for clearing that up Green Heart Games!

The real joke's on them though. Release a game that's made for mobile platforms (both literally and figuratively) on a desktop platform, and yes your sales will be shit regardless of piracy. Wrong target market, brehs. We aren't in the 90s anymore.

 

[syllogism]

You can not accidentally get a license, in particular when your intent was to circumvent the licensing process completely. Neither the rights holder or the other party were under the impression that someone was being granted a license, so to argue licensing was still occurring is completely unreasonable and unjustifiable. Moreover, only a very minor fraction of the downloaders got the game data from the original seed and only those people could possibly claim that their use was licensed. Even if they did, those users were not granted the right to reproduce the work in copies. You would have to argue that the developers released the copyright into public domain, but they clearly had no such an intent and no person could have possibly been operating under that impression at the time of the act.

Again, the only thing the facilitation could impact is the remedies, in particular the amount of damages, available to the rights holder

 

[Raticus79]

Losing in pirate mode should unlock a new character in Cart Life.

 

[Accoun]

Just curious, what are the other Game Development Simulation games that came before Game Dev Story?

Software Tycoon

(it's actually far better than it looks - not that it would be hard, but it's enjoyable)

 

[Twilight Gap]

That's pretty funny, but also sad at the time.

If developers want to 'solve' pirating, I think what's likely to happen is what somebody suggested a while back - they'll make the games free and then charge players if they want to progress. So by the time you finish, you've either paid your $60 or equivalent. Only issue might be that initial sales will be delayed.

As long as there's a way to get it and enjoy it in its entirety for free, there will be people who bite at it. Always online DRM systems won't stop it.

 

[Famassu]

The "cracked version" is a satirical parody intended to make pirates aware of the irony of their actions.



I'm just so, SO glad the 3DS + Wii U + Vita haven't succumbed to piracy yet.

Figures like this shock the ever-living daylights out of me. Those poor developers...

But I hear it's not a bad thing because, you know, the pirates wouldn't have bought the game anyway so it's not actually lost money for the developers.

 

[Copenap]

Here's what I don't get. Isn't the whole game itself a blatant rip off of Game Dev Story?

 

[TheSeks]

I laughed when I read that post: "can I research a DRM or something..."

Yep, some pretty meta-trolling right here.

 

[GuardianE]

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

 

[Diprosalic]

Here's what I don't get. Isn't the whole game itself a blatant rip off of Game Dev Story?

it just used the same idea, should no one be allowed to make a game dev sim anymore just because a game in this genre is already popular? game dev story wasn't even the first one. if it's a good game it is a good game. we have 243434000 carbon copy ego-shooters, we can tolerate 2-3 more game dev sims.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

I want to play the game, I want to give them my money, but seems the buying page is down

Here's what I don't get. Isn't the whole game itself a blatant rip off of Game Dev Story?

The real question is... its THAT similar?
Kairosoft hasnt put a new game dev story game since 1997, and even if it was pretty new for western audiences becuase it was released 2 years ago, its on phones and tablets, not on PC.
Management games have existed since the dawn of videogames, theme park and Roller Coaster Tycoon are also two theme park management games, but still different. RCT1 expanded what Theme Park did and made it better, Theme Park World failed while RCT games got an amazing evolution. Now theres no RCT4 since 2004, so one studio has kickstarted a game that is called Theme Park Studio, and expands RCT3.
Atari is in fault here, they could have released RCT4 years ago (its one of its best selling games ever) and yet they didnt, so its obvious someone is going to make a smilar game to give that game fans what they want by other means.

From what Ive seen in the trailer, it doesnt rip off Game Dev Story, its build upon the same principles and it expands it (for example, start from a garage is not present in GDS) so its already doing something new.

I have Game Dev Story and I liked it a lot, but I always wanted and expanded version, something Kairosoft seems to dont want to make at the moment. Thats cool if they dont, but then they dont have cry when someone expands on their idea and releases a similar game, same with some of the people calling this a ripoff.
Its not a character based game so they cant copy actually that, the game hasnt got similar graphics, and even if gameplay is somewhat similar (its a mangement game) it changes things and expands on them, the only thing they same to have done is a game in the same genre, game developing management. And its not even on the same platform to begin with.

 

[Macho Madness]

The real question is... its THAT similar?
Kairosoft hasnt put a new game dev story game since 1997, and even if it was pretty new for western audiences becuase it was released 2 years ago, its on phones and tablets, not on PC.
Management games have existed since the dawn of videogames, theme park and Roller Coaster Tycoon are also two theme park management games, but still different. RCT1 expanded what Theme Park did and made it better, Theme Park World failed while RCT games got an amazing evolution. Now theres no RCT4 since 2004, so one studio has kickstarted a game that is called Theme Park Studio, and expands RCT3.
Atari is in fault here, they could have released RCT4 years ago (its one of its best selling games ever) and yet they didnt, so its obvious someone is going to make a smilar game to give that game fans what they want by other means.

From what Ive seen in the trailer, it doesnt rip off Game Dev Story, its build upon the same principles and it expands it (for example, start from a garage is not present in GDS) so its already doing something new.

I have Game Dev Story and I liked it a lot, but I always wanted and expanded version, something Kairosoft seems to dont want to make at the moment. Thats cool if they dont, but then they dont have cry when someone expands on their idea and releases a similar game, same with some of the people calling this a ripoff.
Its not a character based game so they cant copy actually that, the game hasnt got similar graphics, and even if gameplay is somewhat similar (its a mangement game) it changes things and expands on them, the only thing they same to have done is a game in the same genre, game developing management. And its not even on the same platform to begin with.

You haven't played it. It's remarkably almost the exact same game with different graphics. It may be expanded a bit but it doesn't change that they tried to clone the game and are chasing the same success Kairosoft had.

RollerCoaster Tycoon compared to Theme Park is a poor analogy. Both games played radically different and are only similar in genre. RCT is leagues ahead of Theme Park in scope and longevity. Game Dev Tycoon just barely puts forth a minimal effort to not be a clone of Game Dev Story.

 

[Chairhome]

I... what? Reading comprehension isnt your strongest suit it seems, lol.

Let me recap:

I complained about them copying the name and type of the game, especially in combination.
I complained about them calling everyone downloading their free demo a "pirate".

..yet I "shield" them from negative comments? Gaf sure is funky today.

Sorry, I'm losing it today. I was mad at something else you posted (saying that pirates aren't pirates) and I misread what was going on. Haha. My bad.

 

[Dysun]

It's brilliant if true, but does seem a little fake to drum up interest in this unknown game

 

[javac]

Kind of dumb, now the pirates will just as easily get a version uploaded by someone else while they have to deal with all the negative impressions they got from their own upload. Same for all the other DRM schemes people find to be clever when they really are no more effective than any other as soon as discovered (which I imagine more often than not is very soon). At least they didn't make it crash and obscure real bug reports...

More of a statement to be honest. These pirates are pirating the game and then crying about people...pirating their game. And then they post stuff like "why are people pirating my game" and "I could research some DRM" and it's pretty funny to see lol.