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[Kusagari]

So effectively killing off GameStop?

Yep.

They are basically completely cutting out any chance for Gamestop to profit from Xbox One. This should be interesting.

 

[Kun Aguero]

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says.

WTF...This things a fucking train crash.

 

[GitarooMan]

Here's a question: if I have two Xbox ones does that mean that on one of them to play a game I will always need the disk and always need to be connected online to by XBL account? I wish it was like Stean where I can download to any system I am signed in on.

 

[Åesop]

How about this GAF ?

 

[leatherhat]

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says.

That's some shit right there

 

[Miles Quaritch]

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says

Holy shit, it's much worse than I ever could've imagined.

Goddamn, death of used games on TVbox. This isn't going to sit well with GameStop.

 

[Blades64]

Woooowwwwwww, things are crazy everywhere. I think I'll wait until E3 before my FINAL judgement, but things aren't looking up for the One at all...

This actually got me more excited for what Nintendo and Sony are gonna do at E3. It can't possibly be worse than this console reveal...

 

[Meelow]

http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825

LOL

I don't understand, what does this mean?

the "fee" is the FULL price of the game? lolol

....The fee is $60...WTF?

 

[Fey]

the "fee" is the FULL price of the game? lolol

 

[SgtCobra]

That second update is just pure evil..

 

[Tom Penny]

People still go by a friends house like " check out this new game " ?

 

[MYeager]

Say what? lol

There's still a big lack of information in that article about how this would work. For example, can you load your account on a friend's console and activate the game that way? There's a ton of context missing that Microsoft isn't revealing yet.

 

[Henchmen21]

XBOX one

Is a good name...

One step behind xbox 360 and xbox in terms of consumer rights.

One unit sold worldwide.


Looks like the game industry bubble is about to pop again.

 

[Phife Dawg]

You don't need to download it but could install directly from disk - it sounds like serials on PCs 1:1

Yeah, but then I'd just call my buddy before I drive over and while I'm heading there he can download it ;-).

One thing occurred to me though, so you can't log in to his XO with your account details and install the game from disc and play with your account? That means the game is tied to account PLUS hardware?

 

[sixghost]

[QUOTE="phil harrison via kotaku]"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.

"Let’s assume it’s a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.[/QUOTE]
That's it, that's all. The physical disk is just an installation disk, like you get when you buy Windows. You can give a friend the installation disc, but they will still need to pay the full price to activate it.

There can be no used game market if the cost of activating the used game is equivalent to the cost of the new game. There is literally no point to used game if this is true.

 

[Neuromancer]

Ok so wait. If i log into my account on a friend's Xbox I'd be able to play the full game right? It'd be like an XBLA game. But of course its a disc.

 

[ultron87]

the "fee" is the FULL price of the game? lolol

Yeah, your friend is just buying the game for themselves and using your disc as a quick download method.

 

[Jake Tower]

And Microsoft, Sony and every other publisher don't see a dime of that money, which is why they're taking these measures.

And they have no right to even a penny of that money.

 

[Anteo]

My god:

"Let’s assume it’s a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.

Also: Let's hope games are still $60 next gen. Don't remember reading any info about pricing so I would thank anyone telling me what they know.

 

[B-Dubs]

Update 2

They have got to be trolling us...they have to be. This is worse than we ever imagined.

 

[icecream]

So what happens if you take your account over to a friend's house, or to your second console in the dorms? Do you still get access to your Xbox One game on the other console when signed in to your account?

Or are you expected to pay again to use the game on a different console?

 

[ttech10]

Yeah, I was working under the old deactivation scenario assumption. Clearly there's no such thing as a used gar with MS now.

I didn't expect it that high. Though I suppose it's not called a used-game killer for nothing.

 

[linkboy]

Wow, no wonder 3rd parties love MS. MS has basically onto their knees in front of them.

Give me a break, I'm almost willing to unload my 360 because of this.

 

[Drake]

I guess the issue is that if MS does this and Sony doesn't wouldn't 3rd party publishers only make games for MS b/c they can potentially lose less money?

 

[leatherhat]

People still go by a friends house like " check out this new game " ?

Yes

 

[RyanDG]

"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

This part intrigues me, specifically because of the mention of Xbox live (instead of just "to play that game"). To me, this sort of implies that the game can be installed and played, just not played via Xbox Live or with any of the Xbox Live features.

 

[nkarafo]

Guys, think about it. There is no way for the second player to keep the game forever with just a "small fee". If that's the case, nobody will ever buy anything, they will all try to find a copy from others.

I suspect the fee will be about as high as the price retailers pay. This way Microsoft will sell more games through YOU and ME. Every gamer out there will become a potential retailer for microsoft. Its their new way to sell more games.

Which is bullshit because you still won't be able to lend or borrow.

 

[spirity]

What the fuck are you doing MSFT

jesus christ

 

[KojiKnight]

random twitter xbox rep or a MS VP? You decide.

The problem is reps are saying things that are contradicting what other actual interviews have said, and reps aren't exactly high on the list to privvy info (like about information on a console that was just unveiled)

So... until Microsoft comes out with a press release one way or the other, we're kind of at an impasse (though again, I'm more likely to think interviews with higher ups are more likely to be correct)

 

[Seik]

Wow, way to shoot themselves in the foot.

I really hope Sony won't do anything similar, I know the clues indicates that they won't...but who knows... o_o

 

[RoninChaos]

:lol When people celebrated the end of EA Online Pass.

I don't know if you guys listen to the gamelife podcast from wired, but Kohler and Rubin were dead on about this. It's obvious EA new something like this was coming down the pipeline so they were able to kill the online pass, garner a little good will, because what Xbox is doing will obviously take its place.

This really might become a deal breaker for me if it's confirmed. I understand there's some back and forth about the issue at MS.

 

[jamesinclair]

So essentially, the disk allows one, and only one install? After that if you want to play the game you own on a new console, you have to repurchase the game?

And the only reason disks still exist is because ISPs would not support 25GB downloads everywhere?

 

[symphonask]

In other words, you have to rebuy the game if you want to play it at a friends house.

No. Just log in with the account it's tied to.

Like I said, it's the current XBLA system applied to retail games.

 

[sestrugen]

So before people had to pay $10 to play a second hand game online. Now they have to pay $10 to play online or offline.

I don't see this radically affecting trade in value, and for people who don't buy second hand games like me we get a vastly superior service with all our games available digitally. Microsoft :bow

Other users on the console will be able to play that game as well, Harrison said. So you don't need to buy multiple games per family. "With the built-in parental controls of the system it is shared amog the users of the device," he said.

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game.

try again

 

[MikeE21286]

I never root for a console's demise, but I'm pretty close on this one right now.

Kill it with fire.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Does anyone actually do this in 2013?

It hasn't been done in many years. This is just horrible

 

[Neuromancer]

Wow, no wonder 3rd parties love MS. MS has basically onto their knees in front of them.

Give me a break, I'm almost willing to unload my 360 because of this.

And Sony won't be doing this? We'll see.

 

[Tea and Toast]

At which point did MS say the disk doesnt have to be in the drive?

Well if your taking a game to a friends house and they have to pay the full asking price for

the game. You'll have to be able to play without a disc. Unless they expect you to share the one disc.

 

[ArbiterMajor]

This thread is gold and it will be remembered.

 

[Jake Tower]

Ok so wait. If i log into my account on a friend's Xbox I'd be able to play the full game right? It'd be like an XBLA game. But of course its a disc.

If this is how it works, what you do is make a new account for every game you buy. You can then sell the account along with the game.

 

[killer_clank]

Harrison's statement confirms used games as we know it are dead. There's all this stuff about how MS could provide a used game solution, but how in the fuck would that work? They can hardly sell cheaper 'used' versions on Live, since why the fuck would anyone buy them?

Unless you can say to the system I AM SELLING THIS GAME, DEACTIVATE IT YO, but then, why bother with that AT ALL and just not have used games as we know it? Very confusing.

 

[B-Dubs]

Guys, think about it. There is no way for the second player to keep the game forever with only a small fee. If thats the case, nobody will ever buy anything, they will all try to find a copy of a friend.

I suspect the fee will be about as high as the price retailers pay. This way Microsoft will sell more games through YOU and ME. Every gamer out there will become a potential retailer for microsoft. Its their new way to sell more games.

Which is total bullshit. It's just a cash grab, there was nothing wrong with the way it's always been.

 

[snorggy]

All that activating and deactivating... guess we know what all those extra servers are for.

 

[endresults]

RIP GameStop, GameFly, Redbox.

You forgot Microsoft. Their console division anyway.

 

[Artorias]

I just got home. Holy shit at this. How will GS react? I know they will sell codes but I wonder what else will change.

 

[Alec]

Next we'll be seeing IP address restrictions on XBL logins.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

I didn't expect it that high. Though I suppose it's not called a used-game killer for nothing.

This isn't a used game. The disc is meaningless. People are buying a CD Key. There's no such thing as aused game with Microsoft now, so of course the "fee" is just the cost of the game.

As someone who's been primarily using Steam for, what, 7 years, this isn't a problem to me at all. Ths pluses far outweight the negatives for me. I haven't expected to be able to trade in games in forever, and I really don't ever desire it.

 

[Ferrio]

Ok so wait. If i log into my account on a friend's Xbox I'd be able to play the full game right? It'd be like an XBLA game. But of course its a disc.

Bet its tied to the system otherwise its an easy work around.

 

[AnbaLeumas]

A look into the future

God that is funny.

 

[PaperFlame]

Can't Gamestop make it so they don't have to sell X1 games?