Mine seems to struggle with launching Netflix and entering the eShop. I might be wrong, but I feel like it's actually happening more often since the update.
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Amazon UK: Wii U Sales Rank Jumps 875% Following Microsofts X1 Reveal+Price cut bump
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I had the feeling the browser got worst after the update.
And i love the browser. Its better as a tablet than my motorola xoom 2 , or the galaxy tab from my grilfriend
The wiiu browser at least lets you watch a video ans keep browsing other websites at the same time. But after the update, it seems heavier
shinra-bansho
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I'm not just talking about 5-6 weeks of 2013. Pretending that the Wii U has launched well because of the holiday/launch sales is disingenuous.
If the PS4 and XBO are selling 37K units a piece next April NPD, then the market will be crashing.
Vampirolol
Member
I agree, my "Mii Plaza" (home) lags since the update and the only thing that's loading faster is launching a game. The rest is a farce, you get the screen sooner but the thing just loads slow.
But still no hard locks to me.
That's not launch.
I mean, it is launch period on Nintendo games term, but really launch does not mean spring 2014.
But I understand now, you were referring to spring 2014, not holiday 2013. Well, everyone can set its own goalposts.
kurtrussell
Banned
That's entirely factual and pretty much reflects the GAF hivemind opinion of the XBone. Nice to see Amazon reflecting what real gamers think for once.
This is perhaps the greatest jif I have ever seen on GAF. Bar none.
The faces, oh man, the faces. :lol
I'm glad the Wii U's getting it's second or third or fourth of many winds.
kurtrussell
Banned
Considered an RTM? I've not had one lockup at all on Netflix or the eShop, but I get dozens of them on the shitty Fifa 2013 port, and the occasional lockup on Lego City. Just seems to be third parties causing any locks I've experienced (no locks at all since the mega update... touch wood).
The perfect Dark
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Pachter going crazy in the background is just too much lol
shinra-bansho
Member
My comment was about launch aligned sales, not "launch period" sales, however, arbitrarily one defines the latter.
I would not be remotely surprised if one of the two systems was to match or surpass the Wii U's sales. But I'm not making any unit predictions without basic information like price or release date.
kurtrussell
Banned
Further price-cuts and Bayonetta 2 along with the hardcore Nintendo franchises and I could see this surpassing Gamecube sales figures quite comfortably.
Miles Quaritch
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Amazon didn't say it.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Its "deluded" that some consumers would wait to see what all available options are before making a purchasing decision?
Really?
Exactly what I asked. The discussion was related to the launch aligned sales. Launch means November (assuming they both launch in November) and maybe December or you consider it otherwise?
shinra-bansho
Member
It's deluded to think there's some large pent up demand for the Wii U and the flood gates will open as soon as we know more about the PS4 and XBO. More information doesn't suddenly make the Wii U a compelling value proposition, that's something that has to occur independently.
If the PS4 and XBO are unappealing, that doesn't suddenly in itself make the Wii U appealing.
Launch aligned sales means sales aligned to the launch date/month depending upon the tracker.
These are launch aligned sales.
As are these:
Nah, I can't be arsed to piss about with relying on Nintendo 'transferring' stuff. I'm hoping it'll improve as time goes on.
I understand what launch ALIGNED sales mean. I am just asking you what period do you consider for your statements? What are you going to compare? First 2 months, first 6 months, first year? Because this would make a big difference. Specially for strong statements like this:
MrNyarlathotep
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Stop strawmanning by talking about "large pent up demand".
Of course more information about alternatives changes the WiiU value proposition.
For some consumers permanent required internet access is a non-trivial concern.
For some consumer backwards compatibility is a non-trivial concern.
If these are now established as trivial features (ie cut) from alternatives, the value proposition of the product that does not treat these concerns as trivial is increased.
There will be another sales bump when pricing and release dates are announced too, as a cheap product for some consumers is also a non-trivial concern.
I'm not saying there's a "huge pent up demand waiting to be unleashed", but I ams aying that there is a group of consumers for whom those are concerns that directly affect their purchasing decision.
You are implying that group of consumers is a group of 0; THAT is deluded.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'd probably be looking at a period beyond the initial holiday months, as they'll likely be deceptive in terms of underlying demand due to early adopters and holiday buyers.
At first instance, I'd probably be looking at whether there's a precipitous fall in sales in January, which would indicate low underlying demand and signify a very troubled market.
If you look at that graph above you'll note the 360's sales while lower (setting aside supply for a moment) were more consistent. The PS3's sales were also in major decline post-Holiday/launch indicating issues with underlying demand (at the ridiculous pricepoint).
shinra-bansho
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This sales bump is, for anyone with sense, quite clearly completely unrelated to the XBO announcement and quite obviously the result of a major price drop. There won't be a sales bump when the PS4 and XBO price and release dates are announced - there wasn't a sales bump here from the XBO announcement. Just as there won't be any substantial effect on NPD for May, nor Media Create/Famitsu.
If you don't like the choice of words with "large pent-up" substitute significant. Blaming the lack of Wii U demand on lack of information about the other two is nonsense. There is simply a lack of demand for the Wii U.
Are there consumers for which they may be waiting. Sure. Do they represent the major issues the Wii U faces in the UK or anywhere else. No.
Have a Nice Day
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PdotMichael
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So the WiiU will outsell the VITA this month?
MrNyarlathotep
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It's intellectually lazy to conflate things into "HUGE PENT UP DEMAND" or "NO DEMAND WHATSOEVER" and completely unrepresentative of real life.
You can continue throwing around terms like "anyone with common sense" and "deluded" while cowering inside your absurdly reductionist binary totality all you want, but it makes your analysis piss-poor.
The WiiU obviously has some demand. More so than a PS3 on Amazon UK right now.
Demand isn't purely a function of cost. Some people paid full price for the premium day one, and were happy with it, some people will never ever buy a WiiU at any price.
The PS3 never recovered its sales because it had one big must have killer app that everyone could point to; it recovered due to building sufficient amounts of small reasons to own one for most people over time. That's how the market usually works.
Seeing what both Ps4 and Xbone are offering are some "small reasons" that will have persuaded some consumers that were closer to the fence to now buy.
A price cut (that's been seen before at other retailers, and at a greater amount) from Amazon is also a "small reason".
Sticker shock when the other consoles finally show their hands are also "small reasons".
Pikmin 3 getting released will be a "small reason" for some.
This isn't Rocket science. You might want to decouple your own perspective of the WiiU - which is obviously that you see no point in buying it - from a broader perspective that the majority of consumers do not have enough reasons to buy it.
Whether they ever do is not something that can be predicted on current information, but I would expect to see an NPD and Medacreate uptick now that the wiiU is actually competing against products and not dreamlike-wish-fulfillment-vapourware.
EDIT:
actually probably not mediacreate, because the percentage of people who would have cared about the xbone in japan falls into the "margin of error" percentage of consumers.
Windom Earle
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Haha, the whole Xbone debacle has certainly delivered in terms of comedy.
Ok, I see. Feel free to cherry pick whatever suits you better.
Edit: In the end it is only the long term sales that matter. This will decide if the console market will die or not. But it's cool to make definitive statements against Wii U.
shinra-bansho
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So when I respond earnestly to your query it's "cherry picking." My definitive statement was that if the PS4 and XBO sell as poorly as the Wii U has then the market will be in a troubled state. You can pretend as much as you want that the Wii U has not sold poorly, but reality does not fall in your favor.
People, like seemingly yourself, are pretending that a significant inhibitor of demand for the Wii U is the lack of information on competing products. It is not. The self-same are pretending that the XBO announcement was what drove up demand. That is nonsense.
This thread only refers to Amazon.co.uk, not the UK market as a whole, where a 25% price cut was offered. The price cut was the reason driving sales, on one website. It was not some "small reason" it was the reason.
My personal opinions on the worth of the Wii U have no bearing on the idea that more people found worth in the Wii U due to a large price decrease on this one particular site.
When large price decreases have occurred at other retailers there have also been upticks in sales.
In absence of new information about the XBO or PS4.
You're right. It isn't rocket science. There will be no influence on Media Create, not because they don't care about the XBO, but because a price cut on Amazon.co.uk has no bearing on the Japanese market. Just as this price cut at this one retailer has no bearing on the US market and there'll be no influence on May NPD.
Feel free to show how sales spiked everywhere for the Wii U due to the PS4 announcement.
Principate
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So when I respond earnestly to your query it's "cherry picking." My definitive statement was that if the PS4 and XBO sell as poorly as the Wii U has then the market will be in a troubled state. You can pretend as much as you want that the Wii U has not sold poorly, but reality does not fall in your favor.People, like seemingly yourself, are pretending that a significant inhibitor of demand for the Wii U is the lack of information on competing products. It is not. The self-same are pretending that the XBO announcement was what drove up demand. That is nonsense.
This thread only refers to Amazon.co.uk, not the UK market as a whole, where a 25% price cut was offered. The price cut was the reason driving sales, on one website. It was not some "small reason" it was the reason.
My personal opinions on the worth of the Wii U have no bearing on the idea that more people found worth in the Wii U due to a large price decrease on this one particular site.
When large price decreases have occurred at other retailers there have also been upticks in sales.
In absence of new information about the XBO or PS4.
You're right. It isn't rocket science. There will be no influence on Media Create, not because they don't care about the XBO, but because a price cut on Amazon.co.uk has no bearing on the Japanese market. Just as this price cut at this one retailer has no bearing on the US market and there'll be no influence on May NPD.
Umm from one side of the argument to another that seems rather illogical. It does make sense that for a failing system that has numerous price cuts before for they're to the other factors at play as well the price cut as the reason for a significant rise in sales.
It is basic logic there's nothing cut and dry about sales, to pretend there is shows a woeful understanding of the numerous factors that affect consumer spending habits.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm sure numerous factors affect sales.
I even conceded as much above, with regard to there likely being some people who not just on Amazon.co.uk decided to purchase a Wii U based on the release of more information.
Resident Evil: Revelations releases today as well. And some people will probably buy it for that.
But pretending that Revelations caused this positional improvement is as much fallacy as pretending the XBO announcement is, when the major factor for this increase is quite crystal. This site had a 70GBP price cut.
Good post, and very true.
On a side note, some folks will take whatever position they can to make something look bad or downplay any positives. Not sure if its a hobby or what but its pretty funny to see the same people in every Nintendo thread doing whatever they can to create a negative position/perspective. It's quite interesting for those who study behavioral sciences.
Where did I make such a statement? You're the one making statements here (and in every damn Wii U topic) and calling people for not having common sense and being deluded.
shinra-bansho
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I'm not even sure what exactly you're arguing anymore. I'm not even sure if you're sure what you're arguing about anymore.
You do think the Wii U sold poorly? But the PS4 and XBO can both sell like the Wii U has, with some of the worst sales of any console ever, and the market will be in a healthy state?
Are you simply being contrarian because you think I hurt the Wii U's feelings?
DecoyOctopus
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I already did in this thread...I actually made it for the Nintendo E3 Direct...but couldn't resist posting it
Good post. I believe a bigger factor will be when MS and Sony announce prices, assuming it will be higher than Wii U (knowing hidden costs like no HW peripherals backward compatibility will add to that). Of course, it's still all about the games, and all will rely on Nintendo's ability to capture imaginations at E3 with must have titles.
specialguy
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Nothing says real data like Amazon Uk sales rankings (not actual sales, mind you) translated into percentages.
First post worthy response.
That gif keeps on getting better and better.
That just seems to lend even more credence to Nintendo getting an Xb1 conferance bump.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The irony is exceptional. What frustrates people like shinra and I, is that we come at this with data, trends, perhaps far too well researched looks at the industry and more, and slam our heads into just fantastical nonsense with peoples poor opinions based on "maybe miracles". While not on the same level of frustration, it does feel like trying to cram a little logic into the heads of creationists at times.
The "THIS POST!" replies from certain tribes in threads are about as behavioural science as it gets with regards to forum psychology 101. Ha ha, you disagreed with those guys! Quoted, and with encouragement!
If theres one area in the world right now when any fluctuation on the daily sales of WiiU isn't worth reading into, its the UK. The system is at such a low point here it may as well not exist to the population at large.
You stated that if PS4 and XBone launch aligned sales are worse than Wii U's the market is going to hell.
I asked you if you think that PS4 and XBone are each going to sell more than 2 millions this year. (because aligned sales also include the first two months, you know?)
Then you pick up the April sales (I know ... each month from 2013 is crap for Wii U, i don't say otherwise) to sustain you argument. So I asked you what period of time you took into consideration for your initial statement. (skipping the part were you try to patronize me about the launch aligned sales). I thought that you really have a clear image (like ... if both system don't sale in total more than 8 millions by April 2014 ... the market collapses). But you answer that maybe you look at January maybe who knows, let's see when your story became sustainable.
Yes, I am a "contrarian" by my nature, I don't really like definitive statement without a clear basis.
My Wii U has no feelings. They were removed with the last update. But thank you for asking.
And now, my opinion about the market: I don't think it is healthy even now and I don't see it getting healthier next year. But I still enjoy my hobby.
ok,i think we need a money award for some of the gifs
make an account that anyone can donate,and every month some amount gets paid to legendary gif makers....
shinra-bansho
Member
Firstly, I didn't try to patronize you or didn't meant to at least. I honestly thought you were confused at my use of the term launch aligned, but you weren't and if that came across as patronizing then it wasn't meant to.
You've taken my statement to mean "the first two months" for some reason, when I never meant that or indicated that.
You're now asking lower limits on sales, when my statement never presupposed any lower limit that would make the market healthy. My statement was that if the upper limits of the other two consoles sales potential in a similar period was similarly poor and can't even match the Wii U's then the market would be very unhealthy.
You asked me to elaborate. And I did. They may sell two million a piece globally come year end, but it will not matter if sales nose-dive off a cliff after the holiday.
The "definitive statement" you take issue with was clear, it had clear basis, the intent was simple and relatively obvious. If the market's reaction is as tepid to the PS4 and the XBO as the Wii U's has been, if the sales are somehow worse than what is currently one of the worst selling consoles in memory, then the market will be in dire straights. You acknowledge yourself the sales are poor, those sales are the basis of the statement.
You're not wrong. The update has managed to make most things feel slower. When I first boot into the home menu and press a game or app icon the moment they show, it'll take 10 seconds before bit shows the splash screen. Until then the system just sits unresponsive
The difference I notice between those who continually post the same negative slant is that they make huge assumptions and talk about them as fact and in poor context. Lots of discounting & intellectually dishonesty in regards to time, history, change, possibility, etc.
Many times these same folks will selectively ignore posts they really cant argue with. Then they will continue with their negative non sense when the opportunity arises. That's not a discussion man, it's a ego trip...
A major pricedrop of £20, suddenly boosts sales 800%. lol lol lol
The WiiU was only £20 more expensive last month at Amazon UK.
No it's not. People like to know what their options are before putting down chunks of money. This may not be related to the fact that Xbone had a bad reveal. But it is definitely related to the fact that it was simply revealed to begin with.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I've taken to ignoring lost causes, I think most people do.
And I think its fair to side with the analysts and opinions that are backed up by data, numbers, and graphed projections rather than "wait til Mario Kart" and so on. Those aren't "huge assumptions", thats dealing with known quantities after playing this whole watching the game industry game for 4-5 cycles.
You've made your camp, and there's really no amount of facts I guess I can bring to have you consider your position. Just perhaps not raise being oh so aware of psychology in the future when you're laying out textbook examples of your own
shinra-bansho
Member
Firstly, it was a 70GBP price drop. It is, as already noted, the lowest price it has been on Amazon.co.uk, bar a pricing mistake. Feel free to lololol at the idea of a 70GBP/25% reduction in price being the major driver of a positional movement if you like.
Secondly, it didn't boost sales 800%. It moved chart positions 800%, with no indication on actual unit changes.
Thirdly, while there may have been some segment of people so disappointed by the XBO reveal that they decided to rush onto Amazon to buy a Wii U, my point is that it's not the major driver of this increase. And I can point you to other examples of price changes being a major driver for Wii U (or other product) sales if you really desire. But it's so glaringly obvious I really don't see why people are disputing it.
And finally, if you're so adamant it is due to the reveal: feel free to point out sales spikes and chart positional movements due to the PS4 reveal. Hint: they didn't occur. Or feel free to point to all the other retailers experiencing similar spikes in sales now in the UK without any movement on price. Feel free to go into the next Media Create and point out the expectation of an 800% increase in sales this tracking period. Or NPD for May; throw in a prediction for the Wii U to sell 300K units next month.
Math is not your forte? £250 - 230 = £20.
And obviously the PS4 reveal had no such effect because the XBone was STILL UNKNOWN.
shinra-bansho
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Vision is not your forte. The price was 289. It dropped to 269 and then 229. At no point was it 250.
It is also now back up to 269, so we'll see how long this position is sustained since it clearly had nothing to do with the price drop to 229.
Yes, that's why the PS4 reveal had no effect.
Vision is not your forte. The price was 289. It dropped to 269 and then 229. At no point was it 250.
It is also now back up to 269, so we'll see how long this position is sustained since it clearly had nothing to do with the price drop to 229.
Go have your eyes checked, blindy.
Analysts are people like you and me. They have current data sales at their disposal, and previous sales patterns (which by the way show everything is possible in this industry). It's not only extremely zoomed in, it's also looking at the past.
You are the lost cause if you stop doubting. Humility is key in this industry, where anything happens (see MS surprising conference fiasco).
It's an open game. It's all about the games. Their quality, their roadmap, their marketing. All things we ignore.
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