Even if they do, MS make money.
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MCV: Retail sources talk used Xbox One games, £35 for used game in UK [U2: Eurogamer]
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Even if they do, MS make money.
ConfusedCat
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Analyst specialising in game industry: SELL gamestop
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I think for the good of the developers, with rising costs, this is something that needs to happen. It's a shame that borrowing games is a casualty of this, but for stuff like communal living we'll just have to learn to play games on their registered console, like you would with a PC.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That was quite funny.
To actually hear these people say " I'm ok with this" or " sounds fair" disgusts me.
Have you ever this generation EVER bought a used game from amazon or eBay? How about a swapmeet? Mom and pop game shop? Ever buy a game from your friend? Borrow a game from your friend? Sell a game to your friend? Let them borrow a game?
This will all be lost with xbone. And you sit there and say " I'm ok with this?"
You lost private rights to sell, rent, or just fucking give away a game to charity.
Fuck you guys Serioulsy.
Have you ever this generation EVER bought a used game from amazon or eBay? How about a swapmeet? Mom and pop game shop? Ever buy a game from your friend? Borrow a game from your friend? Sell a game to your friend? Let them borrow a game?
This will all be lost with xbone. And you sit there and say " I'm ok with this?"
You lost private rights to sell, rent, or just fucking give away a game to charity.
Fuck you guys Serioulsy.
Jacksonlee
Member
i'm actually ganna go trade in Bioshock Infinite and Blops 2 for 40 bux a bone today. promotion of Futureshop 
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and since how i spent 40 dollars on each of these games (retailer promotion again), that will go towards a new game, i won, the publisher won - as i bought them day 1. and they will win again when i purchase their new game with this.
.... i guess this isn't happening for next gen at all.
.and since how i spent 40 dollars on each of these games (retailer promotion again), that will go towards a new game, i won, the publisher won - as i bought them day 1. and they will win again when i purchase their new game with this.
.... i guess this isn't happening for next gen at all.
ConfusedCat
Banned
Gamestop now down 13% since XBOXONE announce
lol :\
lol :\
Publishers double dipping is fair? Seems like bizarro world to me.
Dragon1893
Member
Wow at that 35£ if true, it completely destroys the purpose of buying used lol.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Yep.
The hardware won't be sold at a loss, and they'll be making more money on software.
Just because no-one here is seemingly going to buy it means nothing.
Kill Your Masters
Member
Thank goodness, finally all the 'devs' (publishers) can buy themselves a second Ferrari with the additional cash those little criminals took from them.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Just from a logistical standpoint, this is such a damn nightmare I don't understand why anyone would ever bother at all...
A less extreme version of what this guy said is how I feel.
Seriously. Not sure why anyone would be okay with this sort of anti-consumer practice.
mightynine
Member
Or in other words, "I thought I was getting pissed on, but I asked the Xbox One for the weather, and it told me it was raining."
xxbrothawizxx63
Member
I use eBay for my used games and refuse to buy from Gamestop so this is still a deal breaker to me.
Jacksonlee
Member
any possibilities of that changing? perhaps getting fired? moving?
i guess it's fine now - but when it won't... you'll be like us.
What are you talking about?
Kill Your Masters
Member
Because everyone assumes the money goes to the poor 'ol devs.
calm down you dont get to decide what people do and stop judging them
i know a lot of people who buy games new just out of principle. to support developers. i only bought a handful of used games this gen and they where all from last gen.
Jacksonlee
Member
we should all be as extreme as that.
Father_Brain
Banned
There are potential ways of implementing a similar system offline, as in the case of the NFC/RFID chip patent zomgbbqwtf mentioned a few pages ago. It also could be the case that it will be left up to the publisher, and the games whose publishers choose not to implement such a system will indeed not require any kind of Internet connection.
Either way, you'd have to have a lot of blind faith in Sony to not believe that they're being cagey about used games for a reason that isn't good news for consumers. "Further details" to announce? What further details? Either it universally supports used games as the term has been understood since the earliest days of console gaming, or it doesn't.
and that they'll get more and better games.
It's the problem of sustainability, once again. Gamestop is thinking of the short term. The fact that they're probably going to be the first on a very short list of "approved" retailers allowed to even resell games is more valuable to them than the 10% of the top and the role they will be playing in their own demise.
The issue is that these publishers are unwilling to take responsibility for their own budgeting failures. Nobody is asking for them to reboot every IP they have into samey AAA "experience" games so they can chase Call of Duty, but they do it anyway. Most of this forum, even the die-hard AAA shills know it's unsustainable and can spot a bomba a mile off. Then when it fails, the studio is closed and the publishers devise some other strategy to keep pushing the cost of games up to justify their gambling. Obviously they climbed into bed with MS on this deal because now they think they can insert themselves as middlemen between completely private and legal resale transactions. By the end of this generation even these measures will still have failed to fund their irresponsible spending and greed, so they'll just completely forbid resale.
The funniest thing is, even if most console buyers from this gen grin and bear it and the xbone sells the same amount as the 360 (I'm being generous), that still won't be a sustainable ecosystem for them because their entire business model has been failing for years now.
Jacksonlee
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if at all, i fear it's ganna go to the publisher's hands, not Dev's resources.
Duxxy3
Member
No chance the offline system will get implemented. Is it possible that EA could set up their own games to require an online connection, sure, but they will get blasted for doing so.
RumblingRosco
Member
Preach it.
I don't get how any consumer can possibly support losing rights/privileges such as this. Totally does not make sense to me.
And, no, I don't care about the companies that make games, not enough that I'm willing to sacrifice my own rights anyway. If they cannot find a way to be profitable by selling a physical product without the need to infringe on re-selling that same product, then they need to go back to Business 101 and figure out how every other industry on Earth manages to get by without said infringements.
Gaming consumers have developed such an unhealthy attachment to game makers that they're willing to screw themselves in order to help game makers, and justify it with the excuse that it will lead to games that they want, when in reality, it's just helping the profit margin of the corporations.
This effectively destroys the used game market, or at least its appeal, which is the price.
No, what upsets me is how anyone who has ever done the above of renting, selling, buying used is ok with this.
Something that was available before and a big part of gaming culture is being taken away. The movie industry doesn't do this, the music, the book industry....
But you're " ok with it"
Awesome.
How do you know they will receive a good enough cut? Seems to me that the publisher as well as MS might get the bigger cut leaving the developers in a similar shitty situation. There is no good coming out of this at all. MS is pocketing off used game sales.
Last Hearth
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Calm down. Everyone has the right to decide what is good value to them. If they aren't bothered by it, they aren't evil or stupid, they just have a different value expectation for their money.
However, I think they are in the minority, and the majority of the market will not be ok with this. Somebody compared it to DivX machines earlier, I think the comparison is worth looking at. People think consumers are stupid, well they weren't so stupid that they didn't run away from DivX as fast as they can.
However, I think they are in the minority, and the majority of the market will not be ok with this. Somebody compared it to DivX machines earlier, I think the comparison is worth looking at. People think consumers are stupid, well they weren't so stupid that they didn't run away from DivX as fast as they can.
Look forward to it son. If I don't have a new job before FIFA hits I'm gonna cry. If I'm still there when all this shit hits then my life has failed.
CyclopsRock
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Well, sorta. What is it about disk-based media that makes it any different? The information is sitting there on a disk, rather than on a hard drive in a server somewhere, but ultimately - from a moral and consumer rights point of view - what difference does the actual software delivery method make on whether or not you have a right to re-sell something? The product that you are choosing to buy effectively "expires" when you first use it (and you are then restricted to only selling it through specific channels) - but you know this when you buy it, just like you know that the XP booster pack you bought for CoD expires when you use it, and your gold pack on Fifa 2013 expires when you use it, too. You can't re-sell these items once you've used them, and yet this "expiration" is no less artificial (as opposed to, say, an apple expiring once you've eaten it) than the XBox example.
I don't think it's a good idea, but if they want to sell a product that expires once you first use it - and there are two huge, game-related precedents in this area - that's up to them. I don't like it, just like I don't like it when companies put their prices up, but that's their call - it's up to the consumers to validate or not validate their business decisions at the checkout, not through philoso-wanking discussions.
I feel that way and I buy all new games most on launch day. The only used games I've bought are last gen and earlier. Just because I can say this doesn't affect me doesn't mean I should be ok with it.
Living up to your avatar tag. It really is disgusting. People can't even agree to protect themselves. It's like watching Lemmings.
in reality, the warm days gasoline is a little more expensive for the gas station owner too, the price goes a little up because a little gasoline is evaporated.
free market is always better for you than oligopoly or monopoly
Uno Venova
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Shalashaska161
Member
God this system is going to do well and it's going to be insanely depressing.
you forgot the bolded part, and THAT is the big deal.
My buddy wants to buy my copy for $35 because I frickin hated it? Nope.
I want to sell my copy on Amazon Marketplace? Nope.
Want to lend it to my friend after I've beaten it? Nope.
Like the fact that there are 40 copies of varying quality listed as used on Amazon and ebay? Nope.
The problem with this system is that the only WINNERS from it are the publishers and partnered retailers. And at what expense? At the expense of the fucking user.
And here's the thing. If it were DRM, if it were to curb piracy? I mean those things suck, and sometimes user rights might be sacrificed slightly to help fight those things.
But this has NOTHING TO DO with piracy! This is fighting the used game market, which is a market that even under the STRICTEST copyright laws has EVERY RIGHT to exist!
So yeah, that's the big deal. It's greatly limiting the experience of the user to fight a problem that is, well... only a problem for the publishers, and frankly only a problem because games cost $60 and they need to sell 3M copies just to break even on their ridiculous budgets these days.
Given the information we have as of now... a) they can sell you the game for whatever they want, b) you are still going to have to pay the activation fee to play it.. aka full price.
Mine's not a Quattron. I bought a 6-series, which is the higest model without Quattron, as I had heard similar things about it.
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