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Geoff Keighley: PS4 Used Game DRM (EDIT: but now apparently on hold)

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Oersted

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p3tran said:
very disappointing, if true.

also very cheap of sony, because the last months when we had the microsoft rumors, we had sony announcements like this one:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...gamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games
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The quote always was:

So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, I asked, you're not going to stop them reselling it?

"Aaaah," was Yoshida's initial answer, but seemingly only because he'd forgotten his line. "So what was our official answer to our internal question?" he asked his Japanese PR advisor. The advisor stepped in but didn't seem to answer clearly, at least to my ears. Yoshida then took control again firmly:

"So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"
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You can easily say:

So, used games can play on Xbox One. How is that?
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And it is true.
 
Evolved1

Evolved1

make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Don't do it Sony... don't friggin do it. I'm telling you... don't.
 
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HocusPocus

Member
It's a DRM future whether you like it or not no matter where you play. Either figure out how to deal with it or find a new hobby.
 
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BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Gorki247 said:
I'm not so sure; I thought Geoff was very vague on this and it seem to be more that they were now expecting it based on MS's reveal. However, I wonder if the gaming press has been in contact with Sony for a clarification since the MS reveal.

P.S. I'm also a bit surprised (or maybe not) by the response in this thread. Seems a lot less negative or angry than what I've seen with Xbox One.
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Because this thread is smiles and sunshine? What are you talking about.
 
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ReaperXL7

Member
famousmortimer said:
No. Sony did develop a tech. It's just not looking like they are gong to use it.


I'm going to cut and paste something I wrote in the original post this quote came from because it got buried and it isn't me talking out of my ass, it's me talking about things I've heard from the same people that told me (which i then posted here) the entire ps4 reveal first party line up.




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I think people are overblowing that this is pressure from outside publishers. Im sure they want it... but the reason these things were ever investigated in the first place was because it would make Sony and MS more money. Not because they wanted to please their partners. That's just a nice bit of gravy on top.



Honestly though, I don't think either are going to happen. Im fairly certain that Sony has dropped their plans based on a few folks I've talked to. And even though I don't really like microsoft... they aren't stupid... they have plenty of time to roll this back. They already have been if you compare how restrictive the policy sounded on day one and what it sounds like now (with the inclusion of "we will have more to say later"). Basically the outrage is making everyone take another look at these things and see if its worthwhile. And I know a lot of people around here think that publishers are strong arming them into this... but as I explained above, they aren't, these are initiatives by sony and MS to make money for Sony and MS. If they feel like the consumer outrage will cut into their profits more than used games will... used games will be just like they were last gen. And that's what I expect to ultimately happen.

And this flies in the face all of the people saying "CALM DOWN, WAIT FOR E3!!!" The lesson here is not to calm down, it's too tell these companies you don't like what they are doing. Which means take off your fanboy hat for a second and join in letting whatever company you have a preference for know you aren't happy. If everyone was quiet after the MS reveal I can guarantee that both companies would be full steam ahead with restrictive policies. Hell, they would possibly be making them more restrictive.
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If we are posting rumors from the Doritos pope sources, then this should be in the OP aswell since this guy also seems to have some sources in Sony. Which leaves us back at square one unfortunetly.
 
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famousmortimer

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jimi_dini said:
No, but they won't use it? Although those sources said they will use it?

I know that Sony has this RFID patent. But they also got lots of other patents. And in case they use it, it would somewhat be really problematic in case the console is not connected and breaks down. How is the RFID chip supposed to know that it may be used again? It couldn't.
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I have no idea but it is tech based off that patent. I don't know how it works, the people I know don't know how it works, but sony seems to think it works.

And before the insane backlash that MS got there was still internal arguing going on whether to use it or not. Two days after the reveal they decided to scrap it. I am 100% certain that after they announce that used games are just like the ps3 (online passes for those that want to use them... and that's about it) that they will say "we never really looked into any anti-used game stuff" which will be complete BS.

But BS or not, sony learned something this week. I don't know a solitary person aligned with MS but it's hard for me to fathom that they didn't.
 
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uuaschbaer

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Gorki247 said:
P.S. I'm also a bit surprised (or maybe not) by the response in this thread. Seems a lot less negative or angry than what I've seen with Xbox One.
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Probably in part because it's as unconfirmed as ever. Though if it's true I'm sure many of us will want to see blue SONY blood––I would.
 
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Four_Chamber

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Inorigo said:
It's your denial. Geoff Keighley probably knows about games you won't hear mention of for a year of more.

You don't have to respect him or think he's got integrity, but he's certainly in a position to know/hear certain things.
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Keighley stayed true to NDAs but its clear a LOT of the gaming media knew about the Xbox before the reveal. Hell, Wired had seen the whole thing 2-3 weeks before the reveal so they could post their exclusive hands-on story.

Keighley knows his shit. He's the Doritos-pope, but he's probably the most recognizable face of gaming media. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
 
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ThisWreckage

Banned
famousmortimer has been completely spot on about a lot of things. I am certain that Sony has looked into used game DRM. They probably have policies in place and they've likely openly discussed it. That does not mean, however, that they'll follow through with it. Not even in the least. Right now I think it's an issue that is truly up in the air for them.
 
clem84

clem84

Gold Member
Disappointing if true but all things considered, it's still not as bad as all the negatives we've heard about XB one.
 
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Principate

Saint Titanfall
Sony's silence is ridiculously telling. This the same company that would mock at any moment possible. The fact it has not released a single statement despite it having released previous ones tells of the direction they are going. How much is the question rather than if.
 
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Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
Eusis said:
Well, if this ends up being just "we're leaving it up to publishers but won't mandate it" then, hopefully, we can at least make a point to avoid problem publishers and possibly send the message it's not crap we will deal with, not on consoles at any rate.
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It is sad to say but I think we both know this wouldn't happen. :-(

Anyways, wait for E3!
 
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Card Boy

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There is a reason EA dropped online passes and it wasn't out of the kindness of their hearts. Sony will do it but i feel they just might leave it up to publishers instead of making it mandatory across the board.
 
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DieH@rd

Banned
MS had Phill Harisson directly spewing "hard data" to the journalist. Sony has:

Geoff: "based on some of the things i'm hearing i dont think thats entirely true"

/GAF goes mad
 
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ascii42

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Drencrom said:
Sad if true, pretty sure this is a thing some publishers (EA, Acti) asked for as a option to use on their games and Sony couldn't deny them doing that if they wanted to have their games on the system :/

Anyway, this could just be a ruse but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.
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Which doesn't make any damn sense. Sure, they'd lose sales to used games, but they'd be losing a lot more sales by not even releasing on the system in the first place.
 
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scytherage

Member
There has to be a price drop for console software if they will really do this. Or consoles are really doomed. Seriously. You can't ask people to buy every gadget if they can game for cheap on tablets/phones.
 
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Bgamer90

Banned
Sean*O said:
LOL at how many replies taking this as fact. No leaks from devs or insiders like MS had for a long time on this issue suggest it's bullshit. People are clinging to it seemingly in the hopes that Sony will do it so that MS is vindicated?
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Love how some people are saying this. Automatic sign of what "team" you're on.

Again, EA dropped online passes for all systems. All signs are pointing to the PS4 having some type of restrictions on used games.

They will not do it, if they do it's the end of their company.
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So not giving in to what the big 3rd party AAA devs want will be better for the Playstation brand?
 
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kingocfs

Member
ThisWreckage said:
famousmortimer has been completely spot on about a lot of things. I am certain that Sony has looked into used game DRM. They probably have policies in place and they've likely openly discussed it. That does not mean, however, that they'll follow through with it. Not even in the least. Right now I think it's an issue that is truly up in the air for them.
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It's up in the air for both of them. It's software DRM, they can change it the day before it comes out if they want to.
 
Gorki247

Gorki247

Member
Could this be also one of the reasons why MS execs are so vague? Yes, they probably haven't finalized all the details yet but even so, they probably don't want Sony know all their plans.

I'm sure both know it's not an easy sell to consumers; so if one of them can come up with a more acceptable solution than the other, they'd want to keep it secret for now.
 
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RM8

Member
I buy my Sony systems for 3rd party support, I have zero interest in their fist party stuff. I'd love saying PC could easily replace a PS4, but for example, see that new Guilty Gear? Not coming to PC. PC didn't get KOFXIII or Tekken 6 either. Bleh, this situation sucks.
 
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charlequin

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Kusagari

Member
DieH@rd said:
MS had Phill Harisson directly spewing "hard data" to the journalist. Sony has:

Geoff: "based on some of the things i'm hearing i dont think thats entirely true"

/GAF goes mad
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Geoff's a hack but he's a hack with more connections than any other media figure in this industry.
 
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TheLight

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Inorigo said:
It's your denial. Geoff Keighley probably knows about games you won't hear mention of for a year of more.

You don't have to respect him or think he's got integrity, but he's certainly in a position to know/hear certain things.
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Fuck. But I don't want used game DRM just tell me he is wrong :(
 
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Dave Meltzer

Banned
This is inevitable. If they don't make it mandatory publishers will find a way to make it happen.

Nobody is going to have their games be tradeable on PS4 but not Xbox 1. There will be some sort of system in place on both to control things.
 
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