Screaming Meat
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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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Couldn't agree more.
Baller. PhD
Banned
Ok, I've given PS4NoDRM.com its first major overhaul. It now features gofreak's open letter (used with permission) on the home page, as well as several other pages with links to the tumbr, videos, etc.
Any input it appreciated.
www.ps4nodrm.com
Used this on the web page as well.
Any input it appreciated.
www.ps4nodrm.com
Used this on the web page as well.
http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames is updated to tweet US based Sony and publisher contacts, in time for 9am on the west coast.
This morning, the Euro campaign brought visitors from SCEE, Take2, Activision, Ubisoft, Codemasters, SCEA's PS4 ad agency and more. Massive props to everyone who helped.
Hopefully the US crew can match this
This morning, the Euro campaign brought visitors from SCEE, Take2, Activision, Ubisoft, Codemasters, SCEA's PS4 ad agency and more. Massive props to everyone who helped.
Hopefully the US crew can match this
HigherLevel
Member
Why does everyone think Activision is so pro DRM? They never implemented anything like that with CoD.
Exclusive DLC for Microsoft is the worst that I can see happening. Maybe a few times exclusives. No way is EA or Activision going to turn away the potential sales involved in a multi-console release.
http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames is updated to tweet US based Sony and publisher contacts, in time for 9am on the west coast.
This morning, the Euro campaign brought visitors from SCEE, Take2, Activision, Ubisoft, Codemasters, SCEA's PS4 ad agency and more. Massive props to everyone who helped.
Hopefully the US crew can match this
You've done an incredible job gofreak!
lightlamp4
Banned
Have activision even done anything that is anti consumer?
anexanhume
Member
http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames is updated to tweet US based Sony and publisher contacts, in time for 9am on the west coast.
This morning, the Euro campaign brought visitors from SCEE, Take2, Activision, Ubisoft, Codemasters, SCEA's PS4 ad agency and more. Massive props to everyone who helped.
Hopefully the US crew can match this
Cool. At least they're watching then. Sony really has a chance to win the core gamers' hearts and minds this E3. Even if MS corrects themselves and aligns, they'll still have a hurt brand image going into the holiday.
http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames is updated to tweet US based Sony and publisher contacts, in time for 9am on the west coast.
This morning, the Euro campaign brought visitors from SCEE, Take2, Activision, Ubisoft, Codemasters, SCEA's PS4 ad agency and more. Massive props to everyone who helped.
Hopefully the US crew can match this
Really great stuff. Keep getting it tweeted, people. If you hit the tweet button earlier, hit ti again - goes to a whole new bunch of people now!
How many people have visited it now, Go?
This whole thing is sort of exciting!
Orpheus Telos
Member
I've always wondered this too. They've never had extra DRM in any of their games, no online passes or anything. I guess since they're such a big publisher most people just assume they would be on board with DRM.
maquiladora
Member
http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames is updated to tweet US based Sony and publisher contacts, in time for 9am on the west coast.
This morning, the Euro campaign brought visitors from SCEE, Take2, Activision, Ubisoft, Codemasters, SCEA's PS4 ad agency and more. Massive props to everyone who helped.
Hopefully the US crew can match this
Excellent.
SolidSnakex
Member
I'm not sure either to be honest. They never had any sort of online pass. They also always seem to turn a profit and i'm pretty sure that they're one of the few gaming companies that doesn't have any debt. So they seem to be doing quite well without pushing DRM onto users.
http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames is updated to tweet US based Sony and publisher contacts, in time for 9am on the west coast.
This morning, the Euro campaign brought visitors from SCEE, Take2, Activision, Ubisoft, Codemasters, SCEA's PS4 ad agency and more. Massive props to everyone who helped.
Hopefully the US crew can match this
The ad agency?! Wow. I think we will be on a Sony E3 montage guys! We made it big time! hehe
This is true, Activision has always been great for consumer rights, I think it's the COD hate spillover. Here's a quote by Bobby Kotick from 2010:
Bobby Kotick said:
anexanhume
Member
Yeah, I'm particularly jazzed about that one. They could become a second whisperer in the ear of Sony if they think of ways to turn this into a marketing push.
This is a good point. They get a lot of hate for COD, but in reality they've been consumer friendly. Can't blame them for making money if people will continue to buy the game every year.
angelcage87
Member
So, yesterday, after reading the Jaffe's comments, it seems that the Pubishers real goal is to, basically, steal all of Gamestop used sales revenues, not to limit the gamers when it comes to sharing and private trading; but, as far as we know of Microsoft plans, consumers seem ultimately be losers in this game of greed.
But what if, by chance, there was some kind of DRM that could both secure publishers a cut from retailers used sales, while giving the opportunity to players to continue to share their games, privately trade them, playing offline, and also (marginally) prevent piracy?
Well, I thought about some DRM system, tied to an agreement between publishers and retailers, that could somehow cater to everyone, while not immensely raping consumers.
Let's say, Publishers form some sort of association, union, or whatever you want to call it; this union would be regulated by a Term of Agreement between publishers themselves, and also retailers.
Among the various bullshit, there is a policy that says that all registered games (second hand games) must be scanned,catalogued and sold by the publishers own rules, defining percentages for both, etc.
In case the retailer does not agree to the TOA, it will not be supplied with new games.
Small fish will be pretty much forced to suck it up, consequently leading to Gamestop either agreeing or cut out of the business.
To the user, this will mean that a registration process will be required when playing the game for the first time. If the game is registered, the consumer has full control over the physical disk. No more bullshit.
If the user does not register the game, the game is still playable, but thanks to the account and system infos will be written in the game (or perphaps, some kind of script is activated), which "ties" the game to the console and account. If later registered, the game is unlocked.
If, after a certain number of days, the game is still unregistered, the game will STILL be playable, but it will be force-installed to the system, and it CANNOT be uninstalled, unless it is registered.
What does this mean? Eventually, if you used pirated copies of games, your harddrive will fill up, and you'll have to either buy the license (pay full price+fee), go to customer care and be outed, or simply buy a new system (the harddrive can't be "deactivated" if all games are not registered).
This could potentially lead to new ways to spill some coins from either pirates, inept people, or simply people who don't have an internet connection.
I made some diagrams (I'm sorry if I give you an eyesore), I hope someone read this fucking post :
GAF, what do you think about this ?
But what if, by chance, there was some kind of DRM that could both secure publishers a cut from retailers used sales, while giving the opportunity to players to continue to share their games, privately trade them, playing offline, and also (marginally) prevent piracy?
Well, I thought about some DRM system, tied to an agreement between publishers and retailers, that could somehow cater to everyone, while not immensely raping consumers.
Let's say, Publishers form some sort of association, union, or whatever you want to call it; this union would be regulated by a Term of Agreement between publishers themselves, and also retailers.
Among the various bullshit, there is a policy that says that all registered games (second hand games) must be scanned,catalogued and sold by the publishers own rules, defining percentages for both, etc.
In case the retailer does not agree to the TOA, it will not be supplied with new games.
Small fish will be pretty much forced to suck it up, consequently leading to Gamestop either agreeing or cut out of the business.
To the user, this will mean that a registration process will be required when playing the game for the first time. If the game is registered, the consumer has full control over the physical disk. No more bullshit.
If the user does not register the game, the game is still playable, but thanks to the account and system infos will be written in the game (or perphaps, some kind of script is activated), which "ties" the game to the console and account. If later registered, the game is unlocked.
If, after a certain number of days, the game is still unregistered, the game will STILL be playable, but it will be force-installed to the system, and it CANNOT be uninstalled, unless it is registered.
What does this mean? Eventually, if you used pirated copies of games, your harddrive will fill up, and you'll have to either buy the license (pay full price+fee), go to customer care and be outed, or simply buy a new system (the harddrive can't be "deactivated" if all games are not registered).
This could potentially lead to new ways to spill some coins from either pirates, inept people, or simply people who don't have an internet connection.
I made some diagrams (I'm sorry if I give you an eyesore), I hope someone read this fucking post :
GAF, what do you think about this ?
I'd love to see the FIFA license transfer to another company. That or PES rise from the ashes. It was the better game for so long.
EA is so full of hubris, a humbling would be good for us and ultimately them too, they can get back to making games and employing less lawyers and PR people. MS could use a dose of that too we've come a long way since I fired up Halo on the OG Xbox and gazed up into the sky to find the ring.
I want to get back to enjoying compelling experiences. Perhaps campaigns like this will let them remember that making good games is all that really matters.
Krusenstern
Banned
Just thinking about this is awesome.
SlowRevolution
Member
looking good
I don't especially think that they are, but we need to keep it at the forefront of their mind that this shit is not wanted. If they're actually against DRM, it'll still help.
Glorified G
Member
All this "Playstation hears you" "we see your passion" comes across as boiler plate like answers.
Just rationalizing, To me I think people are looking far too hard for answers that's already been established. Form the double speak and the silence from yoshida it seems like there will be some sort of drm but not on a system level like ms. Just like what Yoshida said after the reveal, it will be up to the publishers. PS4 won't have a online requirement but 3rd parties can choose to if they want to have their individual games be authenticated.
The Elite
BOSS
If someone stops playing COD and isn't buying the DLC, I imagine Activision would want that game to find its way into the hands of someone who could potentially become a big fan. More DLC sales.
Everybody wins.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I don't agree with the position. I dont agree with giving publishers a second cut of game sales. What makes them so special to deserve it, unlike other industries.
I also think you should have posted that here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=569053
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I'm going to be frank - If I could buy a game new direct from a publisher for $30 (or whatever price I think is fair), I would be thrilled, and I couldn't care less what happens to Gamestop.
They have barely received any money from me in the last 5 years. There are few companies I resent more, and this is based solely on poor customer service and the number of new games I have purchased from them which had fucking thumbprints on supposedly unopened merchandise.
From a moral standpoint, I'd like to think I'm supporting the first sale doctrine and my rights as a consumer to not be bullied by companies engaging in what may end up only a few steps away from price-fixing and collusion.
From a practical standpoint, I really just want the freedom a customer is supposed to have to choose to only buy a physical product when demand pushes the price down, not to be locked into a dubiously digitally enforced MSRP for the lifetime of the product - or at least that of the publisher.
If this comes to pass then it just Sony off loading the heat to publishers. It's a cop out on their part, as they still need to put in place the systems for publishers to utilise.
everyday math
Banned
That gif is so good. May it turn out to be true!Since last night, Sunhi's gif is the most tweeted link in combination with #PS4noDRM;
If they care so much, why don't they work a deal out with Gamestop directly. Tell them to give them 20% of (the profit) of the used games sold. AKA gamestop bought it for $30, sold it for 50. .20*20=$4 to Sony/The Publisher/Company. I'm sure Gamestop wants to remain relevant and is more than willing to come to the table on these issues.
Knux-Future
Banned
If it is left up to the publishers, we just have to hope that not all of them use it...
which is not likely but hey region locks was only used by Atlus...once.
so there is hope (small as fuck) with that system that EA and specific others will use it.
Then the whole vote with your wallets thing pops up.
it's not ideal...or good..but it would be a small victory.
There will be DRM, guys. It's mainly about how bad it will be.
Sony should still get heat for it tho,.
which is not likely but hey region locks was only used by Atlus...once.
so there is hope (small as fuck) with that system that EA and specific others will use it.
Then the whole vote with your wallets thing pops up.
it's not ideal...or good..but it would be a small victory.
There will be DRM, guys. It's mainly about how bad it will be.
Sony should still get heat for it tho,.
TheJollyCorner
Member
yeah... I mean, I'd imagine those people in those positions would just flat out not post anything over posting something that will make them look ridiculous if the DRM comes to fruition.
That's what makes me believe there will either be no DRM policy with PS4 or it will be purely be up to the publisher.
SolidSnakex
Member
Would leaving it up to publishers make it any different than what we have now? Is there any indication that publishers couldn't do the same thing this gen? We saw online passes start up which served the purpose of blocking the online portion of a game. So it seems reasonable that they could've done the same for the entire game.
I'm actually comfortable with them leaving it up to publishers. Mostly because I think very few of them will take advantage of it due to the extreme amount of backlash that will follow. Atlus got beat up pretty badly just for region locking P4 Arena. And they're a company that the core audience absolutely loves.
angelcage87
Member
If you're talking about DRM, or the publishers statement over the question, of course I do not agree either. It was just a way to try to diminish the possible damage done to consumers.
Anyway, I concur, I posted on the other thread, this one is not for this.
There's no doubt that "we hear you" does not mean "we agree and will take action accordingly". But it's better than complete silence.
I think this is a big reason why the campaign started including pubs and devs alongside Sony. Its more about letting everyone know now.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Capcom took a beating as well, no?
SolidSnakex
Member
What did they do? The on disc DLC nonsense?
It's better than complete silence and then arrogant statements like "you'll stick pick us WINK".
Fixed1979
Member
Maybe this has been answered somewhere but I can't find it. The pubs want a cut of the used game sales, I would assume that most used games are bought and sold through various retailer outlets and not private sales and trades. If that's actually the case, I don't understand why consumers need to deal with the online checks and DRM. The retailers should be responsible for maintaining their inventory of used games and reporting their profits...and I don't see any reason why I should care where the profit from a used game sold through a retailer goes. I can't come up with one logical reason why a the customer would be offered a worse (read: restrictive) service/product just to stamp out the "plague" of used games that retailers have created.
In the end I can only assume that the checks and DRM are only to combat piracy in the most inconvenient and uncreative way they can. It's like carpet bombing vs. precision strikes, and consumers are the civilians.
In the end I can only assume that the checks and DRM are only to combat piracy in the most inconvenient and uncreative way they can. It's like carpet bombing vs. precision strikes, and consumers are the civilians.
This. Acknowledgement is better than nothing.
Father_Brain
Banned
Yeah, I don't see any reason why this kind of DRM would need to be implemented on an OS/system level for certain publishers to get what they want.
I certainly hope you're right on the latter point, though.
gundamkyoukai
Member
PS4 will have DRM but like others i am fighting for it to have a less restrictive system .
Not having to go online is a good start but for used and lending games to friends the less restrictive system the better .
Not having to go online is a good start but for used and lending games to friends the less restrictive system the better .
SilentFlyer
Member
Add The Next Web as well. They picked up too.
http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2013/05/27/sony-says-we-hear-you-in-response-to-growing-fan-backlash-over-rumored-playstation-4-drm/
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