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Gateway 3DS: First working 3DS flashcart? [Still region locked]

Principate

Saint Titanfall
cite these laws please

Really? I seen them before but I'm not going to try to look them up now. Don't have time but high school level understanding of the law should tell you this, it's plastered literally everywhere.

How is installing custom firmware and ripping your own games illegal? Please point me to the specific law in question that forbids this.

It breaks numerous software copyrights.
 

DaBoss

Member
I agree with this. I'm all against piracy. I just don't like when people make the claim that all those pirates would have bought the game to begin with since there's no way to prove that.

I would never claim that either. I would think a small percentage of them would have bought some of the games they pirated because they enjoy them, that's my stance.

List of top selling DS games

Just thought I would retort with some facts because you made that statement and you didn't check your sources. Nintendo DS has over 933 million official sales worldwide. Only the PS1 and PS2 out sold them. So no, that piracy argument holds no water.

What does the DS software sales prove exactly? I'm saying piracy potentially lost some number of sales. Maybe it would have made a small difference, or (very unlikely) a large difference.

From gba temp

So pretty much it offers none of the advantages people who legally support flashcarts want (region unlocking, multiple games on one cart, homebrew), and just allows people to "back up" games for the cost of a micro sd card of the same size as the cartridge it comes on.

Wow, so no benefits at all.
 

yami4ct

Member
Please nintendo, just keep an eye on the cheaters. Mario Kart online on the DS was unplayable.

Luckily this doesn't seem to enable any sort of save hacking, yet. More than even the piracy concern, I was worried this was going to ruin the chance of Pokemon X/Y being a gen without worrying about hacked pokemon. So far, so good on that front. Hopefully it stays that way.
 
This makes me angry. Bravely Default is on the way.

Buy your games.

Buy them new, buy them used, trade them with your friends... But don't steal them.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Really? I seen them before but I'm not going to try to look them up now. Don't have time but high school level understanding of the law should tell you this, it's plastered literally everywhere.
if they're plastered literally everywhere then it shouldn't be hard to find them??
 

Fularu

Banned
If that means I can carry one cart instead of my 30 or so games whenever I travel, that would be amazing (just like on the DS, I have over 110 DS games, I rather carry a few SD cards than have to make a choice)
 

also

Banned
Really? I seen them before but I'm not going to try to look them up now. Don't have time but high school level understanding of the law should tell you this, it's plastered literally everywhere.

What's the difference between installing custom firmware and, say, jailbreaking? In case you didn't know, jailbreaking can be totally legal depending on your location.
 

Appleman

Member
Exactly this. I'd love a way to have my cake and eat it too (be able to have my physical copies while being able to carry all games "digitally" on a single cart). If only they had a way of doing this like they do with those Bluray/DVD/Digital combo packs.

Oh, like say, a code that comes with the game that then digitally ties it to your account so that you can play it anywhere your account is and redownload it at will, without needing the physical media?

sound familiar? ;)
 

FrsDvl

Member
Just read this on another site

ideally what this card does is make the Game Chip a Micro SD card
the card will have to be formatted correctly and the right size (eg. you will need, 512mb,1GB,2GB,4GB cards)
each card can only hold 1 rom at a time, as it takes up the whole space of the card
surely you get the point here of whats its doing

the next thing is Save Data
as you can see in the video there is only 1 save chip and thats built in, so if you change the game MicroSD without backing up and Dumping the Save data with a Save tool BYE BYE save
as it is wiped as the game recognizes it as corrupt so deletes it

It's all about piracy. Nothing to get excited about. Doesn't run homebrew, only 1:1 copies. Still region locked.
 

liger05

Member
Nintendo are to blame cos of there digital policy. Really?

This is piracy and nothing else and regardless of whether Nintendo had a different digital sales policy this would still be happening.
 
You are always free to do that. The point was that people who use the "Nintendo's digital store sucks" as a justification have a terrible argument. The quality of the digital store shouldn't matter. Either you think it's okay to buy retail and convert to digital, or you don't.



Quality of digital doesn't matter. If you bought the retail, then you bought the retail. If you want to convert that to digital on your own, then that is your choice. Quality of digital version should never matter since I cannot think of a scenario where you would justify converting to digital because the official digital product or store rules suck, but where you would not justify converting retail to digital because the digital product is acceptable.

If you are going to convert retail to digital, then you should have the stance of doing it no matter the quality of digital.

WHAT.
OK, no.
What.

How about Xbox on Demand? If I purchased the disk, I could play it whenever I wanted.
If I buy it digitally, and they stop offering the games, what do I do?

I buy digital games all the time.
Nevertheless, I know that at this moment, digital distribution needs to be worked upon as a media system.
 

yami4ct

Member
Just read this on another site



It's all about piracy. Nothing to get excited about. Doesn't run homebrew, only 1:1 copies. Still region locked.

It's also really not great at piracy with the 1 cart for 1 SD card. Likely this iteration will get broken quickly by Nintendo and it's more complicated nature will dissuade casual pirates.
 

RM8

Member
Good thing Nintendo can fix this now, unlike with the updatable-OS-less DS.

I don't care about any benefits this may bring if it leads to lower software sales, which result in poor developer support, sorry.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Nintendo are to blame cos of there digital policy. Really?

This is piracy and nothing else and regardless of whether Nintendo had a different digital sales policy this would still be happening.
if Nintendo had a different digital sales policy nobody would be defending this. So there's that.

I certainly wouldn't be defending a hack on the Vita, for instance.
 

Danthrax

Batteries the CRISIS!
Quick, someone use their hacking skills for good and wipe all the information pertaining to this device's creation from Gateway's computers. >=\
 

n00bsauce

Banned
The whole piracy argument is just a strawman. You'd have to assume that pirates are the majority of consumers. When half of the consumers have no clue how to pirate. I have a hacked Ps3 sitting at home. I can assure you, there isn't a lot of people knowing to do it and if they did, risk trying to do it in fear of losing it forever, paying for a new PS3 and ending up 150-200 less.

As for this 3DS, out of how many who knows about Gateway3D now, what would you say the percentage of actual consumers for 3ds games? Then you have the younger kids who don't have the money to support it (since you have to buy micro SD cards it seems) and you have others who don't have a 3DS, others who express not caring because you can't break the region lock, and others who say PC is the master race, screw consoles.

Let's not go overboard like 3DS will plummet overnight.
 

Pangard

Banned
For as much as you guys say you'll use it for backups, the other 99% will use it to play pirated games. I'm not guessing here, it's what will happen and everyone knows that.
 

baphomet

Member
You are always free to do that. The point was that people who use the "Nintendo's digital store sucks" as a justification have a terrible argument. The quality of the digital store shouldn't matter. Either you think it's okay to buy retail and convert to digital, or you don't.

Anyone who buys digital on a Nintendo system is asking to get fucked. Thanks to my 3DS getting stolen, my $150 of games was a donation because they won't recover them to my new system.
 
Wow the save on card getting wiped reminds me of the rare time counterfeit multi-gameboy carts had SRAM. You would see same thing happen. Start a different game and your save gets eaten.

Please nintendo, fix this before mario kart 7 becomes a hell hole....
How does playing Mario Kart 7 turn it into a "hell hole"?
 

JimboJones

Member
Looking at the video it seems you can only put one rom on per microSD card, so you need to keep switching games.

Edit: Nevermind, seems like they are working on software to switch games from a menu.
 

FrsDvl

Member

I don't really believe much of this, if it can't run unsigned code and only 1:1 copies of games, it won't run multiple games off of 1 SD card. Also read their FAQ on their website. It clearly states this is not possible. In order to run unsigned code, you need a hack on the 3DS side, which a flash cart can not run by itself.

*Is this real?
Short answer: Yes. This is a real product and will really allow you to play 3DS ROMS on your 3DS unit.

*How does this work?
It's a tiny bit more complicated than this, but I'm dumbing it down so that everyone can understand. Basically, this is a shell for an SD card slot which tricks the 3DS into thinking that the SD card is the game cart. By putting the ROM into the SD card, and the SD card into the shell, you've essentially created a 1:1 copy of a retail game; a bootleg.

*What does that mean for the user?
A couple things. The SD card has to be the correct size for the ROM. If you have a 2gb ROM you need a 2gb SD card, and so on. You cannot use a larger card than the ROM you're using, which also means that there's no way to store more than one ROM on the card at a time. Additionally, the save files are stored on the cart shell itself, as the spot for that is standardized. This means that if you change the ROM, the new game will see that information as a corrupted save and delete it. You'll need to back up your save files before switching ROMs, and you may need additional hardware to do so.

*Can it run homebrew?
Nope. This won't allow you to run unsigned code. The cart is set up in such a fashion that you've created a 1:1 copy of a retail cart. That is, it's signed by Nintendo already, and that's why you can run it.

*Can it get around region blocking?
Nope. For the same reason listed above, you'll still need to use the correct region's ROM for your hardware, and won't be able to play any ROMS of games that haven't been released in your hardware's region. You also can't modify the ROMs without stripping the Nintendo signature and thus making this method no longer work.

*But since the 3DS can't tell the difference between this and a real cart, it means Nintendo can't block it with an update, right?
No. Nintendo can and will block this device. Currently, the 3DS can't tell the difference. However, it's just not being instructed to check the right things. There's plenty Nintendo can do to identify this device. For only one example, they can check the read speed of the cart and see that it isn't the same as an official card.

Worse, since ROMs can't be modified, Nintendo also can and will simply include the update on future game carts, making it impossible to play those games with the device since doing so would force an update that made it no longer function.

*So what will I need in order to use this to full effect?
You'll need:
1) The device itself
2) One MicroSD card to standard SD card adaptor for your computer, or a USB card reader device with a MicroSD card slot.
3) One MicroSD card of every standard 3DS ROM size - 512mb, 1GB, 2GB, and 4GB
4) A method of getting save data off the cart, storing it for later, and putting it back on the cart (an R4i save dongle, for instance).

*Will this open any doors for better versions in the future?
Nope. Again, because it's running 1:1 copies, and can't run any modified or unsigned code, it won't be leading to better technology on its own. It will, however, serve to motivate those that are currently working to crack that nut in two ways: First, because someone is out there getting a piece of the pie already and potentially eating their sales, and second because people will be unhappy with the complicated way this one works and demand for a proper system will increase.
 

malek4980

Rosa Parks hater
The whole piracy argument is just a strawman. You'd have to assume that pirates are the majority of consumers. When half of the consumers have no clue how to pirate. I have a hacked Ps3 sitting at home. I can assure you, there isn't a lot of people knowing to do it and if they did, risk trying to do it in fear of losing it forever, paying for a new PS3 and ending up 150-200 less.

As for this 3DS, out of how many who knows about Gateway3D now, what would you say the percentage of actual consumers for 3ds games? Then you have the younger kids who don't have the money to support it (since you have to buy micro SD cards it seems) and you have others who don't have a 3DS, others who express not caring because you can't break the region lock, and others who say PC is the master race, screw consoles.

Let's not go overboard like 3DS will plummet overnight.

I see.
 

RM8

Member
How does playing Mario Kart 7 turn it into a "hell hole"?
Hackers.

This time Nintendo can downright force an update before being able to play online, though, that's what they did with the MK7 patch. I'm not concerned about hackers in Mario Kart, I'm concerned about piracy becoming an issue :(
 
Luckily this doesn't seem to enable any sort of save hacking, yet. More than even the piracy concern, I was worried this was going to ruin the chance of Pokemon X/Y being a gen without worrying about hacked pokemon. So far, so good on that front. Hopefully it stays that way.

Ha, not likely. Unless nintendo finds a way to patch these hacks soon (I hope they do), piracy will be rife again, and online games will become unplayable. So help me, if someone invents hacks for KI: Uprising, I will be incredibly pissed.
 

Taker666

Member
No reason for any sane customer to buy digitally on 3DS when games are locked to the hardware.

Except they are not.

You can transfer them to a new system, get them restored to a new system if stolen, get them transfered to a new system if your old one dies.
 

Cbajd5

Member
Seriously, can someone who's saying they'll use this for backups only show me how they're going to backup their games?

I can't find any way for the average person to do it now (as far as I can tell it requires specialized hardware set ups with a personally coded dumping program) and this flashcart doesn't appear to be able to do it either.
 

Gadirok

Member
Well atleast people can't complain about the account system and won't have as much of an problem with backups anymore.
 

yami4ct

Member
3DS DRM in 3...2...1...

Being on Carts, the 3DS already has a ton of DRM. This just means we'll be seeing firmware to break this like Sony has been doing. Since this is a physical device and not a software hack, though, that battle should be much slower paced. Lucky for 3DS owners who don't want to use this.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
I don't really believe much of this, if it can't run unsigned code and only 1:1 copies of games, it won't run multiple games off of 1 SD card. Also read their FAQ on their website. It clearly states this is not possible. In order to run unsigned code, you need a hack on the 3DS side, which a flash cart can not run by itself.

Yeah. At the actual state, we won't see this eating into 3DS software sales. It's not even good piracy XD
 

Elija2

Member
Man, I wish that Nintendo would release a 3DS update that includes an account system and removes region-locking so that nobody could justify these flash carts.
 

Sakujou

Banned
iam only interested in having region free games.

if this is the case, i would buy it... but still having a bad feeling because i cannot play the original cartridge... having stupid roms on a flashcart is not the same-.-
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Man, I wish that Nintendo would release a 3DS update that includes an account system and removes region-locking so that nobody could justify these flash carts.
I do too. You think I want to play games on some shoddy junk thing?
 

M3d10n

Member
Flashcards which can run 1:1 ROMs are inevitable, unless Nintendo starts adding active hardware in retail cartridges. I'm actually surprised it took this long.

This has nothing to do with homebrew: the exploit that could lead to homebrew was closed in the latest update. If this card can run homebrew, it most likely can only do so on old firmware versions. Also, this most probably does not beat region locking. According to 3DBrew, the region check is done entirely in software so the only way to disable it is by fully hacking the system and modifying the firmware itself.
 

cyberheater

PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
3 games. And if I could exchange my physical copies of Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, and Kid Icarus for digital copies, I would do so. Nintendo just had released those games prior to releasing all their games on eShop.

By the way, didn't your tag used to read XBOX XBOX XBOX? I sure hope you never paid for Live because I consider that among the biggest rip-offs in gaming.

Yes it used to say XBOX XBOX etc...

And yes. I do pay for Live. For shame :(
 

n00bsauce

Banned
What does the DS software sales prove exactly? I'm saying piracy potentially lost some number of sales. Maybe it would have made a small difference, or (very unlikely) a large difference.

You made a claim that piracy affected game sales, I'm saying you may just be wrong. Yes, instead of being 3rd all time in sales, they could have been 2nd in all time software sales. I'm just gonna call your outlook, diminished returns from our view of hindsight. Either way, even you would have to agree that it was a successful console.
 

matmanx1

Member
Region free gaming is the one reason I would be interested in something like this but I know others abuse flashcarts for piracy and that I don't condone.
 
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