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[SniperHunter]

But what about the cloud.

exactly, no infinite power of the cloud for Sony (hopefully it will pan out for MS in the future)

 

[zomgbbqftw]

its this one quote which shuts down all the used game drm rumors imo, i hope its true



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Sony have a patent for offline used game controls with NFC/RFID.

 

[H_Prestige]

There must still be a way to spin it.

Even when there's no way left to spin, you can always say they're lying!

 

[A Human Becoming]

Remember when Jack Tretton encouraged gamesharing?

lol

That never made sense to me. Sometimes it seems like Sony purposely tries to lose money. Take PS+ for example: it's become such a good service it's incentivizing people NOT to buy games. I'm sure the loss of sales is higher than the cost of PS+.

 

[FrostuTheNinja]

Thanks for putting this together in one place Ami.

 

[Deku Tree]

Great topic. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Uno Venova]

there must be a loophole in there somewhere, it will have the same drm as the xbox one, it has to,

Spoiler

PLEASE GOD

 

[Sendou]

Okay PR bullshit tell me your secrets.


Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?

A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

So what is the question. Connected all the time? Probably not. Just like XBONE doesn't require such a thing.

PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

Sure it can be enjoyed that way. Not unlike XBONE I am right?

Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections.

Robust=stable? If so then I think this is pretty self-explanatory. Could be that something was lost in translation

Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally.

Wow that's great. So it's like my XBONE then?

 

[Dead Prince]

there must be a loophole in there somewhere, it will have the same drm as the xbox one, it has to,

Spoiler

PLEASE GOD

you have to buy a ps4

 

[Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties]

If you don't require an internet connection, you can't enforce anti-used games.

Of course you can.

 

[Queen of Hunting]

for most people always on for 24 hours check isnt a problem. the main problem is used games, which sony is gonna have to follow if they want the big publishers to release their games on it aswell

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Of course you can.

How?

 

[chaosblade]

And incase some people can't make the next logical connection.

You can't have DRM on games, if you don't require a net connection before every play

Sony actually has a patent that would work for this, but they probably won't use it. Used NFC tech and a digital switch on the disc to tie it to a console, so when you put the disc in the drive the first thing the system could do is check the disc, if it says it's activated and not on that system, it could reject it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506560

Edit: Thoroughly beaten, but I found the link!

 

[iNvid02]

Sony have a patent for offline used game controls with NFC/RFID.

yeah i know but they said it wouldnt be implemented with PS4

i cant see of any other way for DRM to work offline

 

[Menelaus]

Of course you can.

No, you really can't, because the hardware will have no way of knowing if it's your game or not. Licensing can't happen if you don't connect to the servers.

 

[cjcool804]

I am a skeptical person, but these statements are so razor clear I don't really know what wiggle room is left to them. The outcry would be legion if they lied this egregiously; Microsoft never claimed Xbox One wouldn't be always online (or close, anyway, like it is now), they always had the leaks hazing the system wherever they want. The May 21 reveal only confirmed the negative details.

I agree but Sony has a long history of going back on what they promised and out right lying. That's there history.

 

[ypo]

there must be a loophole in there somewhere, it will have the same drm as the xbox one, it has to,

Spoiler

PLEASE GOD

Well Sony hasn't explicitly denied that PS4 won't have the same shitty DRM as Xbone.

Sounds like a confirmation to me!!

 

[Amir0x]

Seriously, though, who is on this forum is never going to go online with the next-gen systems? You'd be throwing half or more of the next-gen value proposition away by not connecting. Games updates, DD releases, DLC, system updates. That's just the mandatory reasons to have to connect. I highly doubt that it will be so easy to avoid having to connect. Until they detail the behavior the console without connection, I don't trust simple statements especially when those guys aren't going to be directly involved or won't be able to dictate what everyone else making games for the system are doing.

31 million Xbox 360 owners never got a Silver or a Gold Xbox account and almost never connected to the internet. The number is similarly high (and higher) on PS3 and Wii.

You can say "the benefits are so great if you connect online", and I agree I like a lot of things online, but there are also times when I don't want anything to do with online.

I'll give you an obvious example, and one I haven't seen mentioned a lot:

There have been several occasions this generation where a game has been patched, but the patch implements things that are worse for the game or introduces a new bug that has not been fixed. Due to this, I will remain offline when I play the game so as not to allow the patch.

Alternatively, sometimes I just shut my internet off for my 360 because I don't want to be bothered at all. I do that frequently. And people should be allowed the freedom to do this, for more than 24 hours at a time.

I agree but Sony has a long history of going back on what they promised and out right lying. That's there history.

So does pretty much everyone in this industry. There is significant reason to think that for something this major, they would not make this same mistake. We'll see, you could be right, but I doubt it.

 

[NeoUltima]

It will be required to activate game passes for certain games. But that will be a publisher decision, just like online passes today.

 

[GHG]

Just because someone says something, doesn't mean it is true.

Is this the extent to which people are holding on to this these days?

When the PS4 is out we'll have people saying "this is their policy now, just you wait, they'll change it to copy Microsoft". Laughable really.

The fact that we need to have threads like this says a lot about where the industry is at the moment. Its sad.

 

[sublimit]

Yeah it seems that the PS4 can be played just like a PS3 (if you want to) which is cool.No connection every 24 hours bullshit will be required.

 

[Sendou]

How?

PS4 Eye sees from your eyes when you are displeased with the game and scratches the disk immediately to prevent you from trading it in.


Actually I should patent this shit the first chance I get.

 

[hal9001]

Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally.

Wow that's great. So it's like my XBONE then?

No. It really isn't.

 

[xxracerxx]

Seriously, though, who is on this forum is never going to go online with the next-gen systems? You'd be throwing half or more of the next-gen value proposition away by not connecting. Games updates, DD releases, DLC, system updates. That's just the mandatory reasons to have to connect. I highly doubt that it will be so easy to avoid having to connect. Until they detail the behavior of the console without connection, I don't trust simple statements especially when those guys aren't going to be directly involved or won't be able to dictate what everyone else making games for the system are doing. And this is, of course, leaving out the F2P/Freemium games that will most certainly need a connection.

If MS only sold XBO to GAF, they would fucking cry.

 

[GoofsterStud]

Just because someone says something, doesn't mean it is true.

So XBONE doesn't have DRM?

 

[H_Prestige]

you have to buy a ps4

If true, then wow! I'd much rather have an optional console with required internet than a required console with optional internet.

Wow Sony, just wow.

 

[Guevara]

That's great. Even though I'll have my console connected always, the fact that it need not be connect has some great implications.

 

[Takuya]

PS4 Eye sees from your eyes when you are displeased with the game and scratches the disk immediately to prevent you from trading it in.


Actually I should patent this shit the first chance I get.

L... O... L

 

[IHaveCandy]

And incase some people can't make the next logical connection.

You can't have DRM on games, if you don't require a net connection before every play

Sony has a patent on disc-based DRM.

 

[Mxrz]

Stay tuned to E3 for finality, but I think this OP should make a lot of people feel better!

Pretty sure its going to make some people feel worse, given some of the posts lately. Or at the least make their job harder.

Seriously, though, who is on this forum is never going to go online with the next-gen systems? You'd be throwing half or more of the next-gen value proposition away by not connecting. Games updates, DD releases, DLC, system updates. That's just the mandatory reasons to have to connect. I highly doubt that it will be so easy to avoid having to connect. Until they detail the behavior of the console without connection, I don't trust simple statements especially when those guys aren't going to be directly involved or won't be able to dictate what everyone else making games for the system are doing. And this is, of course, leaving out the F2P/Freemium games that will most certainly need a connection.

There is a huge damn difference between never going online, and being forced to go online.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

for most people always on for 24 hours check isnt a problem. the main problem is used games, which sony is gonna have to follow if they want the big publishers to release their games on it aswell

But a couple months ago people were claiming that the Wii U was in the same generation as the PS4 and Xbox One, and it doesn't require that.

I honestly think the Xbox One might get left out in the cold on this one, or at the very least will reverse the direction they're going on this.

Bottom line, piracy sucks for publishers. But they're going to release games for the system that is selling the most. Especially in the early days before the pirates even know what to do with the system.

 

[Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties]

How?

Disc-based. It's already been patented.

 

[M°°nblade]

So XBONE doesn't have DRM?

hahaha dude

 

[Jawbreaker]

B-b-b-but if Microsoft is doing it, there's no way Sony isn't doing it!

 

[Ostinatto]

Not even by hardware?

what do you mean?

 

[Sendou]

No. It really isn't.

I can play my Xbox One just fine 99,99% of time. Wouldn't you say it's going "offline competely"?

 

[Snapshot King]

Okay PR bullshit tell me your secrets.


Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?

A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

So what is the question. Connected all the time? Probably not. Just like XBONE doesn't require such a thing.

PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

Sure it can be enjoyed that way. Not unlike XBONE I am right?

Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections.

Robust=stable? If so then I think this is pretty self-explanatory. Could be that something was lost in translation

Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally.

Wow that's great. So it's like my XBONE then?

I hope some of you guys are getting paid for this because it's fantastic.

 

[badcrumble]

Okay PR bullshit tell me your secrets.


Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?

A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

So what is the question. Connected all the time? Probably not. Just like XBONE doesn't require such a thing.

PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

Sure it can be enjoyed that way. Not unlike XBONE I am right?

Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections.

Robust=stable? If so then I think this is pretty self-explanatory. Could be that something was lost in translation

Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally.

Wow that's great. So it's like my XBONE then?

You're an idiot. These quotes clearly differentiate the PS4's use of online functions from what the XBOne will be doing. In the PS4's case, you don't need an internet connection, period.

I hope some of you guys are getting paid for this because it's fantastic.

Apparently some of them are.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Just because someone says something, doesn't mean it is true.

What´s the true story then?

 

[Pennywise]

I can play my Xbox One just fine 99,99% of time. Wouldn't you say it's going "offline competely"?

No.
You should ask for a raise on your paycheck, you're seriously trying.

 

[H_Prestige]

Those 24 hours your xbone is offline, IT IS TOTALLY OFFLINE. Like, it's not connected to the internet at all.

So really it's the same situation.

 

[boinx]

I can play my Xbox One just fine 99,99% of time. Wouldn't you say it's going "offline competely"?

Oh you have one already? That's pretty cool mate

 

[Snapshot King]

You're an idiot. These quotes clearly differentiate the PS4's use of online functions from what the XBOne will be doing. In the PS4's case, you don't need an internet connection, period.
Apparently some of them are.

I have no doubt. Eagerly awaiting Bishs' topic.

 

[StevieP]

What´s the true story then?

DRM is supported and at the discretion of whoever is releasing said game (i.e. most publishers, which will enforce connected encrpytion checks for their particular games, but is not console wide)? Just a thought...

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Okay PR bullshit tell me your secrets.


Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?

A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

So what is the question. Connected all the time? Probably not. Just like XBONE doesn't require such a thing.

PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

Sure it can be enjoyed that way. Not unlike XBONE I am right?

Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections.

Robust=stable? If so then I think this is pretty self-explanatory. Could be that something was lost in translation

Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally.

Wow that's great. So it's like my XBONE then?

Jesus....

 

[D4Danger]

And incase some people can't make the next logical connection.

You can't have DRM on games, if you don't require a net connection before every play

Sony bringing back the dongle.

you'll see.

 

[Sendou]

You're an idiot. These quotes clearly differentiate the PS4's use of online functions from what the XBOne will be doing. In the PS4's case, you don't need an internet connection, period.

I don't see how calling me an idiot contradicts anything I said. If you find my logic faulty then please by all means to point it out. They clearly differentiate it from XBONE? I just don't see. Has Sony even compared themselves to XBONE yet? The latter is not related to what you said by the way.

Unless you know you actually work for Sony and then I would like to ask you to make a clear statement about what your online plans are for PS4 especially compared to PS3 (plus Vita)

 

[Jawbreaker]

Okay PR bullshit tell me your secrets.


Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?

A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

So what is the question. Connected all the time? Probably not. Just like XBONE doesn't require such a thing.

PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

Sure it can be enjoyed that way. Not unlike XBONE I am right?

Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections.

Robust=stable? If so then I think this is pretty self-explanatory. Could be that something was lost in translation

Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally.

Wow that's great. So it's like my XBONE then?

You're drawing some false parallels there.

 

[hal9001]

I can play my Xbox One just fine 99,99% of time. Wouldn't you say it's going "offline competely"?

I really don't know if you're just playing devils advocate or are just trying too hard to find meanings behind statements when there isn't any.

 

[TheLegendary]

This is a joke post right? Those are just as obtuse and circular as Microsoft's statements. If Sony allowed something that Microsoft didn't why wouldn't they release it as a talking point and edge over their competitor? Why would they announce they are "listening" to gamers about always online/ DRM if they had already actually explicitly confirmed their stance?

Believe what you want but taking this as gospel is just asking for disappointment later on. Both consoles feature set is in flux.