Exactly.
Were there this many (silly) reactions about the PS4 with the news of the Killzone: Shadow Fall demo being 30 FPS?
So silly.
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Microsoft: Forza 5 runs at 60 fps, Xbox One has no fps/resolution requirements
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Exactly.
Were there this many (silly) reactions about the PS4 with the news of the Killzone: Shadow Fall demo being 30 FPS?
So silly.
Iced_Eagle
Member
I completely disagree.
Resolution does matter, but I argue that texture, model, animation quality and shader effects matter much more than the resolution. Resolution is just one of many knobs developers can tune to help the IQ. Of course it would be great if all games could run at the native resolution of the TV they are running on, but that isn't always the case. That doesn't mean they are ugly games.
For example, The Last of Us is running at 720p, and I still think it looks like a beautiful game (don't have a PS3 so can't play it, but the videos of it look amazing).
This whining makes me laugh.
All this topic proves is you can't have everything your way. Next gen upgrades, 1080p, and 60fps, even for pcs this would be a challenge for devs. Something has to be given up and I don't see you guys giving up next gen upgrades to lighting effects and other things just so you can have your native res. These systems don't have the juice for all 3 and the more eye candy is pushed the more resolution and fps will have to be balanced in respect to that.
Like I said last gen invest in the right display technology it's not MS or any devs job to make 720p look servicable.
I will go out on a small limb here and say if this game is 720p the Xbox One could be looking at a very ghastly second place and possibly 3rd if N gets off its ass.
From that alone you say? Preposterous!
Well, if this is what they have to show for their NEXT GEN game and you go up against a GT 6 or 7 on PS4 it is going to be obvious as ALL HELL which system is inferior. Hell, Drive Club itself is going to look insane even if it is 30FPS.
Beyond the first few months of mass appeal it won't matter sure. People will take their sides. But then put into perspective all the face-off articles out on the net by year 2-4. We are all connected now. This isn't 2005 nor is it 1999. If this is all they have to show after this long AND with all that DRM AND weak power people are going to take notice.
Everybody in the know saw the Wii's popularity rise after a year or so but it always had a positive buzz. Most of us knew it would die a slow death and be irrelevant at some point because of its technology but we also knew it was going to connect because it was something NEW. The Xbox One has none or nearly none of that energy behind it. In fact, it's the exact OPPOSITE kind of energy.
The kind of energy that says 720p is okay because we didn't put any effort into catering to gamers! Yeah! I want that! That is my company!
From that alone you say? Preposterous!
Well, if this is what they have to show for their NEXT GEN game and you go up against a GT 6 or 7 on PS4 it is going to be obvious as ALL HELL which system is inferior. Hell, Drive Club itself is going to look insane even if it is 30FPS.
Beyond the first few months of mass appeal it won't matter sure. People will take their sides. But then put into perspective all the face-off articles out on the net by year 2-4. We are all connected now. This isn't 2005 nor is it 1999. If this is all they have to show after this long AND with all that DRM AND weak power people are going to take notice.
Everybody in the know saw the Wii's popularity rise after a year or so but it always had a positive buzz. Most of us knew it would die a slow death and be irrelevant at some point because of its technology but we also knew it was going to connect because it was something NEW. The Xbox One has none or nearly none of that energy behind it. In fact, it's the exact OPPOSITE kind of energy.
The kind of energy that says 720p is okay because we didn't put any effort into catering to gamers! Yeah! I want that! That is my company!
Incidentally, the subHD games were there from the very beginning from even MS, as Perfect Dark Zero and PGR3 were both subHD.
Maximilian Kolbe
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This thread only confirmed 2 things
1.Forza 5 is 60fps
2.Right now GAF can turn any positive MS news become negative news thanks to the jumping to conclusions skill
I love E3 time!
But it can and it certainly does in the right place and time. My opinion is: that time may be now.
Dead Man Typing
Member
I remembered this issue coming up last year and found this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=34185270
Which links to this article
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-focus-does-pixel-count-matter?page=1
It also linked to a blog which doesn't seem to be there any more.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=34185270
Which links to this article
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-focus-does-pixel-count-matter?page=1
It also linked to a blog which doesn't seem to be there any more.
Stop.
Really... just stop.
Forza isn't even a popular series. General consumers will be looking at other games.
The PS4 will more than likely have a decent amount of 30 FPS and/or 720p games too (especially early on).
Wow.
Yes? Framerate is still a topic of discussion in the Shadow Fall thread and this is almost 4 months later. Nobody is picking on MS.
Bull. Forza is a huge franchise for Microsoft. IF IF IF IF their games start to take 720p over other things there will be a HUGE gap in quality.
IF IF IF IF. It's just fun speculation man. Don't get crazy now.
Clearly, what I am saying is that IF 720p becomes a trend in Microsoft's games the IQ disparity between the consoles would choose the victor. It's just speculation based off events and the positive or negative vibes rolling around the net.
Animation quality has absolutely 0 to do with "image quality" so...I don't think you disagree.
Schnozberry
Member
Most people won't even notice the resolution difference, if it's 720p. This might be the worst reason presented thus far for losing your Xbox One boner.
PS2, the most successful home console of all time, was sold to a large part on power -- particularly during its launch window. Power alone does not sell consoles, and its arguable how much sub-generational differences matter, but categorically stating that power does not affect sales, especially in the early adopter phase, seems unfounded.
Seems unfounded. No, it is.
There's your problem.
When you're actually running the game, it looks kind of bad. I ran the demo briefly on my monitor yesterday. Jaggies and blur everywhere. Which is always the case when you run a game below your display's native resolution.
This game SCREAMS out for 1080p like no other currently out.
What power at launch window? Dreamcast games looked better than any game on PS2's launch window.
If it was running at 1080p it would look better than even a lot of PC games out there.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Why is everyone assuming 720p? Forza on X360 is already 720p, it's not like they can't do better than that on a multiple times faster machine...
If it's not full 1080p, it might be something like 1280x1080 which with some AA looks significantly better than 720p.
If it's not full 1080p, it might be something like 1280x1080 which with some AA looks significantly better than 720p.
But this is especially the problem with LCD monitors. On TVs, especially Plasma TVs, it's nowhere near that noticeable or jarring.
Because they're fixed pixel displays, yes. I'm not sure how it would look better on an LCD TV over an LCD monitor, though. Plasma maybe, but I don't like IR. One of these days I want to see how games look on an HD DLP projector.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
A good question, especially since we have shots of this running in 1080p already.
Sorry then.
I was never really interested in the Killzone series, so I wouldn't follow the threads about the game to know that.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's big in the sense that it does well in reception and does well being "Xbox's Gran Turismo".
But in terms of sales (especially in the U.S.)? It really isn't that popular at all.
It's fun to watch the thread progress. Now many are operating under the assumption of 720P. I'm personally not holding out hope for pristine IQ on either console, at least not anywhere near what's been possible on PC for years. Too little horsepower and too much propensity for post processing. It's a matter of budgeting resources.
Bullshit doesn't either.
Power is biggest part of console design. It allows game creators to be creative and evolve gaming. Without power there would be no Skyrim nor GTA4
Bluekaveli
Member
While there is no disputing that games look better at 1080p than 720p (and markedly so), I don't think this will hurt overall sales of games / consoles for the XB1...... the hardcore may be concerned..... but if you're that hardcore....... play games on pc at 2560x1600 or surround.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
How do you know?
I remember posting in the Forza thread about my concern over the Xbone's resolution output, mainly concerning 720p vs 1080p, and this makes me believe that most games will opt for 720/900p. Really sucks if true. This news also relates to that one thread which said most PS4 games would output at 60fps vs 30fps for Xbone? Can't quite remember exactly the contents of that thread.
Regardless, i think having no requirements for fps/resolution is more good than bad. But really, at this point in time, 720p should ONLY occur when the game runs at 60fps. If i see 720p/30fps games this coming gen, well FUCK, imma be pissed son.
Regardless, i think having no requirements for fps/resolution is more good than bad. But really, at this point in time, 720p should ONLY occur when the game runs at 60fps. If i see 720p/30fps games this coming gen, well FUCK, imma be pissed son.
I don't like this fencing people into two shades of color. People aren't fucking retarded man. They know Blurays beat the shit out of DVDs despite all the original naysayers and they will know the power differences between consoles. And they will side with what they feel is best.
You be crazy, Run now! Run!!!
Finally, I've been dying here
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
Less replies to this than I expected. Strange.
Portugeezer
Member
Does he know himself or did someone from Microsoft tell him?
Angelus Errare
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And this pointless thread has been laid to rest. I swear GAF overaction is at an all time high.
soundscream
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Bu bu bu GAF said.
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