Well, XIII looked pretty nice from what I can remember. XIII-2 and LR on the other hand seem like obvious rush jobs.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
New Final Fantasy XV Gameplay Video And Livestream Nomura Details
- Thread starter SolidSnakex
- Start date
- Status
With those specs?Nomura said he's making the game from the ground up using DirectX11...
Could this mean a superior XBO version?
No.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I'm going to assume it's using a heavily tweaked Crystal Tools and half of Luminous Engine (and since this game started on PS3 anyway).
FFXVI is probably full Luminous Engine.
FFXVI is probably full Luminous Engine.
SneakyStephan
Banned
The spell effects are nice but wow what a huge downgrade in the way hair looks from the luminous tech demo.
All it needed was a Stylish Rank Gauge.
XIII also showed the severe limitations of the engine though. Fixed narrow environments, performance drops whenever areas are more "open" (less so on PS3, still happens, but a total disaster on the 360). The reason why the sequels are suffering is because they're also trying to make a more open game with the same crappy tech. FFXIV was running on Crystal Tools too, and it was deemed so unacceptable for performance that they ditched it entirely in the revamp.
encephalon
Member
Is Stella's old design permanently enshrined as the face of Kagari for gaffers now?
Infinite_Daremo
Member
This is the first Final Fantasy ive looked forward to since IX. I personally feel the combat systems needed to evolve from turn based even though I liked it.
BlazingDarkness
Member
duckroll, which engine does XIV 2.0 use? That game is really pretty these days.
I don't remember the archylte steppe having any bad frame rate.But there were long load times on gran pulse.
I don't think they have a name for it? Yoshida did state they made a brand new engine which is more suited for a MMO, and is actually scalable for lower end and higher end hardware.
Well, yeah, at least for me.
I just don't get how they got チェラム out of Caelum... Do they have any idea how latin is pronounced?
They obviously fucked up trying to create an engine. They managed to make a working game (The Last Remnant) fairly quickly with UE3, yet decided to say fuck it because they couldn't manage to port it to the PS3 and decided not to pay someone else to port it for them. They wasted seven years of their time to eventually come up with an engine for the next generation. Great job.
Personally, I think
encephalon
Member
Well, yeah, at least for me.
I just don't get how they got チェラム out of Caelum... Do they have any idea how latin is pronounced?
Japanese interpretations can be very creative.
I've never played the 360 version but I do know that the frame rate was a choppy in certain parts of XIII-2. But the interesting part is the narrow environments. You're saying the linearity of the areas of XIII might have been due to graphical limitations of the engine and not by design?
Well, yeah, at least for me.
I just don't get how they got チェラム out of Caelum... Do they have any idea how latin is pronounced?
Dude, you're talking about a language where Cerberus is written as ケルベロス. Japan has a history of "interesting" adaptations of foreign words.
No, I'm not saying that. But keep in mind that Crystal Tools was originally made to develop FFXIII, so it's possible the design also limited the scope of the engine. Either way, they fucked up badly with tech this generation.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Really? In that case, I'm quite impressed they managed to create a new engine and the whole of the 2.0 world in the time they did - it was quite a feat. No wonder every other project seemed to suffer, they must have had every free hand working on it!
Horse Armour
Member
What I don't get is that they've had a dedicated team working on Luminous for a couple of years, how can they still not have it ready? I can understand the ridiculous delays their dev teams have but how do you manage to have such delays for an engine?
encephalon
Member
Dude, you're talking about a language where Cerberus is written as ケルベロス. Japan has a history of "interesting" adaptations of foreign words.
No, I'm not saying that. But keep in mind that Crystal Tools was originally made to develop FFXIII, so it's possible the design also limited the scope of the engine. Either way, they fucked up badly with tech this generation.
Basketbowl.
Ah, I see. I was thinking about it again and realized I misinterpreted what you wrote. Nonetheless I am excited for what SE can do now, seeing how impressive XV looks. Even more impressive considering this was a game that originated from the Crystal Tools engine for most of it's development cycle. XVI will probably be a real looker no doubt.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
Banned
I really hope this game isn't as set piece driven as they've shown. I don't want to be constantly battling on the sides of buildings and climbing exploding jets.
My only concern is the game wont be as tough as the early FF games due to the more action focus.
Apart from that it looks awesome. Some of the best art I've ever seen.
Edit. I'd like less scripted moments as well, the player should always be in control. Don't turn the game into UC.
Apart from that it looks awesome. Some of the best art I've ever seen.
Edit. I'd like less scripted moments as well, the player should always be in control. Don't turn the game into UC.
BlazingDarkness
Member
How do you know it's not ready?
XV engine is like an amalgamation of different tech they've adapted throughout its lengthy development cycle (started on CT, moved to its own 'action' engine using elements of Luminous) perhaps its just easier for them to have XV on this customized engine instead of starting from scratch on Luminous?
A game having been in development for such years not using their newest engine isn't really a surprise - it might be FFXV, the next big FF, but it had much humbler beginnings.
For all we know, FFXVI is being made on Luminous right now.
Luminous can't be more than a year or two old, I think. Compared to the nightmare that White Engine/Crystal Tools were, it's not as bad.
edit: When is this two-minute post block going away. ;\
Actually FFXIII was a one of the hardest FFs.People don't notice that due to the forgiving nature of the game(restart battles, no loss upon death)
Death is very common in FFXIII but it had no consequence.
Nomura specifically mentioned XV utilizing luminous on SE.Pretty sure on that.
Edit :actually not really sure but reports mention it in the Q&A session: http://www.finalfantasy.net/xiv/future-final-fantasy-e3-2013/
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Combat aside when they finally unveil the glorious worldmap, other cities, locations and elements I feel this game will shock and awe a lot of people.
Also I take it this location from the show trailer:
Is one of the neighbouring kingdoms.
And the location in this combat trailer is the original modern/Tokyo city looking locations we've been exposed to in previous trailers?
Also I take it this location from the show trailer:
Is one of the neighbouring kingdoms.
And the location in this combat trailer is the original modern/Tokyo city looking locations we've been exposed to in previous trailers?
This looks outstanding! Kingdom Hearts also had some teleporting - flying mechanics in the later games, so I think they can pull this off!
Very intriguing cast, Final Fantasy with Shakespeare-esque elements, Yoko Shimomura composing the score, Nomura as a director with a big scope.
I'm very happy this game is Final Fantasy XV now, you need a Behemoth to redeem the PS3 era.
Yeah, that could be possible!
Very intriguing cast, Final Fantasy with Shakespeare-esque elements, Yoko Shimomura composing the score, Nomura as a director with a big scope.
I'm very happy this game is Final Fantasy XV now, you need a Behemoth to redeem the PS3 era.
Yeah, that could be possible!
Horse Armour
Member
Luminous Engine was revealed in August 2011 with a tech demo so at best it started development in 2010, wouldn't be surprised if they started in 2009. That's at least 3 years of development by a dedicated team with no announced titles to show for it. That's poor by any standard.
I wish we got some clarification from more outlets which attended the briefing, because Nomura confirmed before that Versus does use elements of the Luminous Engine (like the lighting iirc), but that it doesn't run entirely on it. That was quite some time ago though.
BlazingDarkness
Member
That's nothing to do with how far along the engine is. Square Enix have made it clear they'll be avoiding announcing games too early like with FFXIII/Versus, as I said, don't be surprised if they're quietly working on FFXVI behind the scenes - it's just that we won't see it until it's gone into full production nearer release.
I sincerely hope this location is fully explorable.At least at some point before the Leviathan battle.Its fascinating.I assume its getting destroyed though(at least partially).Would be cool if you can return to every location regardless of what happened.
nelsonroyale
Member
Combat aside when they finally unveil the glorious worldmap, other cities, locations and elements I feel this game will shock and awe a lot of people.
Also I take it this location from the show trailer:
Is one of the neighbouring kingdoms.
And the location in this combat trailer is the original modern/Tokyo city looking locations we've been exposed to in previous trailers?
Is this scene ingame? I see tons of weird looking aliasing in the 1080p version on gamersyde. If so, that is incredible...
I believe Hashimoto confirmed that the trailer was mostly target render CG, which is why a lot of it looks more polished. The gameplay video they released later is 100% realtime.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Hashimoto didn't go into too much detail either in yesterdays Q&A.
RPG Site ‏@RPGSite 16h
Hashimoto has to reiterate that Agni's Philosophy is a tech demo, not a game. 15 uses some Luminous technology, though.
nelsonroyale
Member
Ah okay, I am fine with that, although it is very weird. Visually the stuff in the gameplay trailer looked the same as the gameplay in the reveal trailer. SE also do things in an extremely round about way it seems.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Is FFXV available to preorder?
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
The only thing confirmed so far is that Versus uses some lighting elements from Luminous but does not entirely run on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wfym7fs-6w0
Luminous is central to Square Enix's business plan, it even supports smartphone games. Engines generally take a lot of time to develop. For example, here's what an Infinity Ward dev said: "It's impossible to develop a new engine from ground up in 2 years".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wfym7fs-6w0
SlipperyFishes
Banned
When people buy or don't buy Lightning Returns I guess.
Dude, you're talking about a language where Cerberus is written as ケルベロス. Japan has a history of "interesting" adaptations of foreign words.
Of course I know that, I'm not new to Japanese.
In the case of Cerberus, it's relatively close except the K and S sound mixup. But in the case of Caelum, changing the K sound into the Ch sound is really stupid, among others.
Man, if every language had the same sound system as my language, no one would have trouble pronouncing any sound in any language...
On topic, I like how the game is shaping up. I'm really looking forward to Digital Foundry's analysis which should be rather interesting.
You realize this was ALWAYS intended to be an action RPG right? it was a spinoff of XIII... they just made it officially an actual numbered FF...
also Given Nomuras track record with other action RPG's (have you heard of Kingdom Hearts?)... most rpg fans have been fine with this choice since 2006 (when it was revealed)
Exactly how I feel aswell.
I want a new Final Fantasy RPG. I dont mind it beeing an action rpg, but one thing I really do not want, is for this series to turn into DMC
Celestial Mortal
Member
Available as exclusive DLC only on XBO.
encephalon
Member
Of course I know that, I'm not new to Japanese.
In the case of Cerberus, it's relatively close except the K and S sound mixup. But in the case of Caelum, changing the K sound into the Ch sound is really stupid, among others.
Man, if every language had the same sound system as my language, no one would have trouble pronouncing any sound in any language...
On topic, I like how the game is shaping up. I'm really looking forward to Digital Foundry's analysis which should be rather interesting.
It's not as if they couldn't do better.
- Status