Monty Mole
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More like low birth rate. Cos we'll all be too busy playing Killer Instinct. Amirite?
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Is Gamestop warring with Microsoft?
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More like low birth rate. Cos we'll all be too busy playing Killer Instinct. Amirite?
Fox Mulder
Member
I was just in a gamestop, and their TV channel was showing Xbox one stuff the entire time.
They did say ps4 preorders are going faster and may last another day, but I didn't feel like putting $100 right now.
They did say ps4 preorders are going faster and may last another day, but I didn't feel like putting $100 right now.
djSyndrome
Member
The feed is controlled by corporate. Saw the exact same footage last night.
Uno Venova
Banned
Yeah my gamestop has PS4 orders going faster, they only tell you to pre-order the PS4 when you call and they have basic flyers everywhere with the PS4 and all the launch games for it, no Xbox one representation at all really.
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Deleted member 17706
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I just went to a Gamestop at a local mall to pick up The Last of Us. After the usual "did you pre-order? you should really pre-order! got a rewards card? want one? how about a season pass? all this cool content at a discount if you get one! how about a strategy guide? bring the game back within a week and get $50!" spiel, he asked if I would like to pre-order a PS4. No mention of the Xbone. I let him know about I already had pre-ordered one and, just for fun, asked him about the Xbone. He said that they were taking pre-orders, but immediately followed up by asking me if I had heard about the Xbone's used games restrictions.
Some dudes from Bungie who here in line ahead of me got the same speech, so I'm pretty sure it's their official direction to push the PS4.
Some dudes from Bungie who here in line ahead of me got the same speech, so I'm pretty sure it's their official direction to push the PS4.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I never really had an issue pre-ordering either console. No fuss made but the guys working there seemed to be excited about the PS4. With the Xbone it was just okay here's your pre-order. With PS4 it was "did you see that press conference? gonna be sweet".
maquiladora
Member
Sample from a quick twitter search of tweets within the last hour.
Who would have believed this a year ago?
Who would have believed this a year ago?
razgriz417
Member
Went to pick up Last of Us today and was asked whether I wanted to preorder the PS4, they said 1/2 their allotment was already spoken for and expects them to be filled by Monday (no hard numbers from the guy). I also asked about the Xbone and he also said it was pretty obvious which manufacturer has the better relationship with Gamestop then told me that while used games weren't being blocked on the Xbone, they are taking 10% of the profits.
Its probably both. Corporate is fighting for survival, while the managers and clerks onsite are predominately gamers too. The messaging just happens to extremely in sync. I think Microsoft was banking on Sony to make similar DRM or wasn't expecting much of a fight from the larger brick and mortar parts of the game industry with the 'olive branch' of making them primary means to resell games. This reminds me of what happened to the PSP Go and in a small way the Sega Saturn. Don't bite the hand that supplies your goods to your audience, they may try to bite back, especially if there is someone else they can find a partner in business with a better deal for their margins (the PS4 and in a small way maybe even the Wii U).
PanicFreak
Member
Good, fuck Gamestop.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
If only i had a 360... i'd be trading it in along with the games using the 50% additional coupon, i'm keeping my PS3, still have many games to play on that.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Miles Quaritch
Member
This one seems unbelievable to be honest.
Not surprised by the rest, it's a $100 cheaper and the whole DRM/anti used games backlash has hit MS hard.
I doubt there's any turning it around this year, but we'll see.
Darth Tigris
Member
But the Xbox One leaves it up to publishers, right? So does the PS4.
This is ridiculous ...
This is ridiculous ...
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
You've been misinformed. Xbox One leaves it up to publishers whether or not they will even allow for licenses to be deactivated and sold (while taking a cut, of course). The online check-in and disc being merely a delivery mechanism for content that can be accessed only if you have a license is universal.
kerotan_eater
Banned
Right, its just as logical to throw all their weight behind Sony. Make the Xbox a sales failure.
I was seriously wondering if this was going to happen, it'd be so easy for so many retailers elsewhere in the world (some have various retail competition) to just say fuck it. I'll pre-order a PS4 tomorrow (in Gamestops Australian branch) and see if any of this is happening too.
jongkookie
Member
I too went to pick The Last Of Us and had a small chat with the manager lol. The 4:1 ratio thing is definitely true. He also says that he asks the people who come in and pre-order Xbone about their DRM and used games policies. More often than not, people change their minds. So there might be an unofficial push for the PS4.
My GS also still has slots to fill up on the PS4 so maybe they got more allotment or something. I would've pre-ordered too but I was able to pre-order a "launch edition" from Amazon so I'm not exactly worried.
What was interesting to him though was that the people who pre-order the PS4 aren't what he says are "hardcore gamers." Apparently most of them are just your regular dudebro's or average joes just wanting the next best thing. If he wasn't shitting me, I'd say that speaks a lot about how bad the situation is for MS. Sony definitely has the core gamer community, but to also have the average gamer in place? Yikes.
Ok first of all, I'm sorry for making the misinterpretation of your display pic, it looks astonishingly like a bulldog. And yet again I am correct in Saying Microsoft isn't entirely to blame, yes they pushed their bullshit DRM, but I'm right in saying that if the publishers had said no, Microsoft wouldn't have been able to implement it. Without game publishers to give them games for their console they'd have no console to sell.
Now about the kinect if you read http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=63548361&postcount=986 granted it's not been confirmed as legit, but if it is, then I an apparantly turn off the Kinect's features in the console settings therefore eliminating my problem with it.
Granted you didn't call me a fanboy, however your pointing out of my Display pic made the implication clear. If you'd been joking around, you wouldn't have made such a comment about it, you'd have made a joke and moved on.
Microsoft are to blame for the bullshit DRM, but the publishers have to share in it also, thats what I'm getting at here, I'm not trying in any way to lessen the flak pointed at Microsoft for this bullshit we're being saddled with, but this whole "Lets talk shit about Microsoft and ignore the other contributors to the problem" attitude is complete bullshit, I'm sorry but it is.
Now as for this "Prediction" it was in fact no such thing, it was me stating my own opinion that though the PS4 will not have the bullshit DRM features the Xbox One it will still have some form of DRM on the discs from publishers, IN MY OPINION. The sony conference is the easiest thing to look at to corroborate this, where it was said as an aside that it was up to developers and publishers to decide whether to place DRM on their games. So as you can see, what I said is NOT completely baseless and does not in fact tick any box on any such checklist.
I am not an apologist, I am not a fanboy, I'm simply a person who is looking forward to both consoles and is sick of reading that Microsoft has fucked us. Yeah its true that this DRM is bullshit, but its quite obvious that us complaining about it has done nothing to affect Microsofts decision in the slightest, when the Xbox One was announced there was huge backlash to Microsoft for these DRM features, and they had till E3 to announce that they were changing their minds, but they didn't. If and when the Xbox one fails in sales, maybe then Microsoft will change their minds and if not then the Xbox IP may completely fail.
In short, Microsoft fucked up massively with this DRM, but the Publishers are also to blame in the fact that they agreed with Microsoft to implement it and if they hadn't perhaps Microsoft wouldn't have been able to implement this shit we (People buying Xbox Ones) have to live with.
maquiladora
Member
The PS4 policies are unchanged from what they are now with the PS3.
Xbone on the other hand : 24 hour mandatory online check in (60 minute mandatory check in if signed on another console), no disc sharing/loaning, no selling/buying used games anywhere apart from participated retailers, mandatory install, no renting etc....
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Deleted member 8095
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I just went to my local Gamestop to pick up The Last of Us and Animal Crossing. No XB1 documents or Sony stuff on their tvs. There was a super annoying emo-kid in line next to me crying about how they accidently made two accounts for him and his pre-orders. He was on the whiniest people I have ever heard and was totally overreacting to something so simple. I imagine he will be making an anti-Gamestop thread online by the end of the day.
So devs still get no cut? So what's the point? (Besides the obvious)
Fox Mulder
Member
Glorious, I've been a huge Xbox fan the last two generations, but I want them to fail hard.
kerotan_eater
Banned
Well he is an ass for lying if he did but MS isn't helping the issue. The wording on these things are confusing, and after the info has been passed around, its altered accidentally. Your bro's finance probably didn't understand properly and took it as meaning everything is download only. I dunno, anyone could be at fault here.
razgriz417
Member
I have no idea, the guy probably didn't have his facts straight but I just liked that he blatantly spelled out that Gamestop is a big fan of Sony atm and will be pushing the PS4 for the near future
I went in today to do a preorder and got the same spiel, I let the guy know exactly how wrong he was, and he rather pigheadedly refused to listen to the truth, he actually disagreed with fully established facts.
Man GameStop here sucks
As it should be. Let sanity prevail.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
I talked to a friend who works at gamestop, and he said there wasn't any official direction to promote one thing over the other. However, they are instructed to inform potential buyers about certain restrictions that consumers may not expect, such as Xbox's One trading restrictions/DRM/Always online practices. But since this 'information' generally strikes customers as such grade A bullshit, they promptly decide to pre-order nothing. And which point my friend tells me (considering how it's all gamestop employees responsibility to want to pre-order everything) they are resorted to a more "convincing" stance in regards to the PS4.
So, it's more of an illusion that gamestop is favoring PS4, ultimately, they just want pre-orders. But by informing customers of the Xbox One, they are left with trying to persuade them to pre-order PS4 as an alternative. And many times, it seems they are successful in doing so - given the numbers you guys have been posting up in regards to preorder counts.
It's also interesting to observe then that Microsoft probably would have also "won" this generation by default if they didn't fuck around with consumer rights so much. MS should have taken things one step at a time, instead they hit the world with all kinds of anti-consumer crap all at once. What idiots. I honestly can't believe who the fuck green lighted this business practice.
So, it's more of an illusion that gamestop is favoring PS4, ultimately, they just want pre-orders. But by informing customers of the Xbox One, they are left with trying to persuade them to pre-order PS4 as an alternative. And many times, it seems they are successful in doing so - given the numbers you guys have been posting up in regards to preorder counts.
It's also interesting to observe then that Microsoft probably would have also "won" this generation by default if they didn't fuck around with consumer rights so much. MS should have taken things one step at a time, instead they hit the world with all kinds of anti-consumer crap all at once. What idiots. I honestly can't believe who the fuck green lighted this business practice.
Darth Tigris
Member
No, I read Microsoft's official statement before posting. It's up to publishers.
These employees, as well as most of you, are not stating truth about the Xbox One and used games.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
But they charge Gamestop. Which in turn is going to have to increase the price of used games they sell back if they want to keep the same bottom line. And since used games are only marginally cheaper than new games, it essentially becomes an entirely subdued point.
Also, trade goes far and beyond gamestop - it's the general notion of being able to trade with friends or whoever the fuck you please. Aka, basic - human evolution derived cooperation. "I give you and you give me" no longer is relevant in regards to the Xbox one as it used to be with the 360.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Every game you put in needs to be done with an online connection to authenticate. The Xbone also requires a 24 hour check once a day.
PS4 games will work like PS3 games unless the publisher wants otherwise. So, it is safe to assume all first party games will work completely offline without authentication. The console itself will not require any online checking.
You've been misinformed, Tigris.
kerotan_eater
Banned
I read a bit more and the sentiment is that PS4s aren't being sold out like the Xbox One. Yet people providing anecdotal numbers on their local Gamestop's pre-orders ratios on Twitter are saying PS4 is outselling the One at some really lopsided ratio.
So it seems Sony has way more in stock. Maybe the rumors are true about Microsoft being way behind with manufacturing.
Subsequently its very well possible Gamestop employees are pushing the issue on to consumers. This all could have a major effect on the console war.
You make too much sense.
Darth Tigris
Member
*sigh* Ok, let's try this again.
These are the facts, and they're being ignored.
I remember GameStop's CEO was jizzing all over the place about the Xbox One before its reveal (http://www.neowin.net/news/gamestop-ceo-microsofts-next-xbox-will-be-a-very-hot-compelling-device), no doubt because Microsoft said all the right things and signed them up as one of the very few places where gamers can trade the game discs they supposedly own.
But now that Microsoft has come out and admitted that their long-term goal is to get rid of discs (on a console with a 500GB hard drive that can't be replaced, no less), I'm sure it chapped some asses from higher up at GameStop.
It'll be interesting to see if Microsoft kneels before GameStop to keep their console on store shelves. Maybe they should have thought this shit out a bit more before just telling each side what they want to hear and giving details about nothing.
But now that Microsoft has come out and admitted that their long-term goal is to get rid of discs (on a console with a 500GB hard drive that can't be replaced, no less), I'm sure it chapped some asses from higher up at GameStop.
It'll be interesting to see if Microsoft kneels before GameStop to keep their console on store shelves. Maybe they should have thought this shit out a bit more before just telling each side what they want to hear and giving details about nothing.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Here's a little more anecdotal evidence from SlickDeals. It shows interest in the PS4 roughly 4 times as active.
PS4 has +407 Thumbs up
XBone has -284 Thumbs down
And those people are crazy deal hawks.
DeviantBoi
Member
GameStop's stock took a hit after the XBone reveal.
That's something that is not easily forgotten or forgiven.
That's something that is not easily forgotten or forgiven.
Darth Tigris
Member
Nope. Staying on topic, we're talking about blocking used game sales only. None of that other stuff is relevant to THIS point.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Yeah they bitch about a $2 saving.