Brad Grenz
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Any blind faith anyone has in Rare at this point is misplaced. It is a husk of its former self and hasn't worked on anything but Kinect Sports and Avatars for a very long time.
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Sony vs Microsoft: The First Party Studios
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For MS:
Crimson Dragon is being developed by Grounding Inc out of Japan
Press Play - you list them as developing an XBLA title. This title is Max: Curse of Brotherhood which is coming out on Xbox360...not sure if they are working on an X1 title at the moment though.
Project Spark is being developed by "Team Dakota" http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-become-a-game-designer-in-project-spark
Crimson Dragon is being developed by Grounding Inc out of Japan
Press Play - you list them as developing an XBLA title. This title is Max: Curse of Brotherhood which is coming out on Xbox360...not sure if they are working on an X1 title at the moment though.
Project Spark is being developed by "Team Dakota" http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-become-a-game-designer-in-project-spark
Rare was said to have 3 titles in dev, and only revealed one. Black Tusk studios also had a rumored 3 in dev and only showed a teaser for one game, so that is still very unknown (load still not blown
). Lionhead, yep, agreed. MS Victoria supposedly have a core title, as well as MS Osaka having a rumored 2 core titles in development. Also, Crackdown was seen on a tile during the console reveal, so expect that at some point.So yes, I agree, Sony has a lot more room to show more games, but MS still should have some tricks up its sleeve. It will be an exciting next year, that's for sure.
Black Tusk - New core IP (How many teams does BT have??)
343i - Halo: Spartan Assault
343i - Halo (5?)
Lionhead - (Fable IV, rumoured)
Lionhead team 2 - ?
Rare - Kinect Sports: Rivals
Rare team 2 - Killer Instince with Double Helix
Rare team 3 - ?
Microsoft LA - ?
Microsoft Osaka - ?
Microsoft Victoria - ?
Team Dakota - Project Spark
Turn 10 - Forza 5
Big Park - ?
Good Science - ?
Twisted Pixel - Lococycle
Twisted Pixel team 2 - ?
Press Play - Max, Curse of Brotherhood
No idea what Soho, Platform next, Connect Experiences, Lifestyle, Skybox Sports, Playful Learning, XBL Productions, MS Mobile and Life London will be working on.
Also Frontier are working on MS owned Zoo Tycoon.
TheUnsunghero26
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You should probably change "Third Party Contracted" to second party. There's a difference between Remedy and Insomniac working with Microsoft and Titan Fall just being an EA published game that's only on Xbox platforms.
There is no such thing as second party. Quantic Dreams, Remedy, inSomniac and etc are all 3rd party, they can always make their next game for a different platform.
Nope, that's actually the definition of a second party. Second party are games by independent developers published by platform holder. First party is the platform holder's own studios and third party are any games not published by the platform holder.
Its the reason even if ms won id still own a playstation, you get games you wouldnt get on xbox. They always take risks on games, i couldnt see heavy rain and the like being made with ms money. Sony always fund games even if they dont sell a fuckton, ms would drop those without a second thought.
LukasTaves
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Team Dakota is not 3rd party, they are part of Microsoft Game Studios, according to the only employee linked in profile I could find:
www.linkedin.com/in/sorenhannibal
www.linkedin.com/in/sorenhannibal
Apparently quite a few more than games they've made.
LukasTaves
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Ms is funding Quantum Break, Crismon Dragon and D4, they all seem pretty risky.
Though i agree Sony seems to have a few more tries before dropping a new IP altogether, while Ms usually does so after the first entry that bombs.
Alan Wake didn't sell a fuckton and it hasn't been dropped.
Proelite
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Extrapolating the head counts inside the teams.
First party AAA:
Rare team 1
Rare team 2
Lionhead team 1
Lionhearted team 2
343
Turn 10
Black tusk
MS Victoria
MS Big Park
Second party AAA
Remedy
Epic games
Cryteck
Don't expect anything out of MS Osaka, lift London and some of the other smaller studios for a while.
First party AAA:
Rare team 1
Rare team 2
Lionhead team 1
Lionhearted team 2
343
Turn 10
Black tusk
MS Victoria
MS Big Park
Second party AAA
Remedy
Epic games
Cryteck
Don't expect anything out of MS Osaka, lift London and some of the other smaller studios for a while.
We might see something out of them soon actually. Matrick name dropped both Black Tusk and MS Osaka in a post conference (XB1 Unveiling) interview with Geoff, and said that it was proof that Microsoft was still invested within Japan.
I doubt Rare has devoted an entire team to KI. Double Helix said there aren't very many people who worked on the original series still left, but Rare is reviewing builds and sending feedback. I don't believe that would require very much in the way of dev resources.
TheUnsunghero26
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Respawn shouldn't be on the list. It's a list of games published by MS and Sony, not a list of exclusives.
Proelite
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MS Osaka's game will not hit until 2015 at the earliest. We might have a CG trailer at most of out TGS.
Source? As far as I can tell, nobody knew the development studio existed until the Xbox One unveiling.
Proelite
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I think MS Osaka is a studio that was acquired recently. Just a hunch.
Why would Matrick single them out alongside Black Tusk, whose game they just announced? Microsoft Victoria is also one of Microsoft's new AAA studios, and yet, they went completely unmentioned.
Okay I have edited the list with a few of the above suggestions. Note I didn't add many Indie games, and Free to Play games that are only announced for PS4 so far, mainly because none of those games are published by Sony (also many of those games are on PC or have a chance of coming to other platforms). If anyone knows any Indie games published by Sony or MS please let me know.
quickwhips
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We talking Duke Nuke Forever long or The Last Guardian Long?
Proelite
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Not before 2015 release long?
What studios? Pretty much every studio that Microsoft has let slip away have either A) Went belly up or B) Done relatively mediocre. Bizarre went on to make so-so games that nobody wanted. Bioware is a shell of its former self. Realtime Worlds went on to bankrupt itself with APB. Bungie wanted out, so it was either supress them and bleed talent, or let them part. Who else is there? Artoon and feelpluss?
Mistwalker is probably the only 2nd party studio that they should have purchased, but I can't really blame them considering the Xbox platform doesn't exactly have the most die hard RPG fans within it. Ensemble hurt as well, but they didn't really fit Microsoft's plans
They should definitely make a go at Remedy and Undead Labs though. Maybe Playground Games as well (Forza Horizon). Ruffian Games to recoup what it lost with Realtime Worlds?
Pound_lb003
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Is Doki Doki, not published by Sony?
My bad it is
90TilInfinity
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Rare was said to have 3 titles in dev, and only revealed one. Black Tusk studios also had a rumored 3 in dev and only showed a teaser for one game, so that is still very unknown (load still not blown
Black Tusk had 55 people as of December 2012. They've essentially just begun making 1 AAA game.
Nah, but Hohokum is.
EightBitNate
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Isn't Wayforward making Halo Spartan Assault?
Proelite
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My personal rankings of the MS first party studios.
Teams with multiple AAA teams:
343, Rare, Lionhead
Teams large enough to for one AAA title:
Turn 10, Black Tusk
Teams for AA or XBLA titles:
Leap, Victoria, Good Science, Twisted Pixel, MS Dakota, etc.
343 I think is a HUGE team. Pretty sure they had 343 employees as of March 2013, which is more than Rare and Lionhead.
Teams with multiple AAA teams:
343, Rare, Lionhead
Teams large enough to for one AAA title:
Turn 10, Black Tusk
Teams for AA or XBLA titles:
Leap, Victoria, Good Science, Twisted Pixel, MS Dakota, etc.
343 I think is a HUGE team. Pretty sure they had 343 employees as of March 2013, which is more than Rare and Lionhead.
CassidyIzABeast
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Didn't Phil say they had 5 new studios working on AAA games? Black Tusk was one of them so who are the other 4?
MS Osaka, MS Victoria. The others could be XBLA or Kinect studio. Check the OP, it could be anyone of those studios, quite a few of them are new Studios.
Well, MS definitely has significantly stronger studios than Sony does. Sucker Punch aside, I don't see anyone who's developed a game that's been as good as something from Remedy, Capy, or Capcom Vancouver.
I'm thinking most of those games (Don't Starve, Mercenary Kings, Ray's The Dead especially) in Sony's indie list are also on the PC.
I'm thinking most of those games (Don't Starve, Mercenary Kings, Ray's The Dead especially) in Sony's indie list are also on the PC.
Proelite
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Yep a lot of those Indie games are also on PC, I have yet to update some of the list, will do that some other time as I am on my phone now. As for who has better first party, I gotta give it to Sony. Out of MS big Studios I like 343 and Remedy. Where as with Sony we like many Studios and a lot of the good ones have 2 teams.
I think the 5th one if Platform Next
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I feel really uninspired by both lists. I also want to see more new IP's from both first parties that excite me. I'm just not feeling it yet with what has been announced and I'm pretty darn burned out on the old franchises from both sides. I'm done with most of them. I'm not sure they can squeeze another purchase out of me with most of those franchises even with next gen hardware. I'm done with those settings.
MrBambinoDent
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Sony wins at this hands down, you can't compare the two do them here!
Santa Monica, Guerilla Games, MediaMolecule are all confirmed to be making new IP.
They're an independent studio at this point. Whether they're going to maintain a close relationship with Microsoft is not known.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I saw that. I hope it all turns out to be stuff that I will buy. I'm on a mission this gen to break away from alot of the stuff that has tired me this gen and some of that has to do with old franchises that have worn thin on me.
Perhaps The Order, Sunset Overdrive or Quantum Break may appeal to you, though there isn't much info on those games. So MS have D4 and Crimson Dragon. Sony have a ton of indie stuff too.
sleeping_dragon
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What? Lol. So after making Uncharted 2 and the Last of Us which are in the running for game of the generation , you are telling me Naughty Dog is not as good as those MS studio?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I've seen all of that. I need to see more later of that stuff. Like I say, I haven't seen enough to get me aroused just yet. I'm hoping the Order is really freaking over the top with some really busy action on screen. I think the setting lends itself to a style where you get some quiet exploration building up to an explosion of action coming from all directions.
Sunset Overdrive looks alright but I haven't seen any gameplay yet. It may be one that gamers wish wasn't exclusive to one console. I do like the use of color though and I hope more companies move away from the ultra dark look like they have. The JSRF gamer in me liked the visuals alot. Destiny really had it right color wise too.
I personally thought their was a lot of new IP, many if you include multiplatform games too, all the ones I mentioned and Knack, Destiny, TitanFall, The Division, Project SPARK, Mad Max and etc
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