Publishers.
Yep. This is clear as day, yet people are ignoring it. There is no way this sharing feature was ever going to fly.
Publishers.
Because Steam is a digital only service and this whole ordeal is about physical media being restricted, how fucking hard is it for some people to understand that these are completely different situations?I am just very annoyed by the amazing short sightedness of everyone on GAF.
None of you scream about your consumer rights being taken away by Steam or anything similar but you cannot resell anything on there. But you get cheap games so its 100% ok and everyone loves it.
If MS had said all digital versions would be $10 less on day 1, everyone would have swept it aside.
To me, it seems like a lot of people saying its about one thing "consumer rights," which you really don't have right any where aside from the right to not buy something, but it is really about prices.
Isn't it amazing that after Microsoft makes all these changes that we were screaming about since it's reveal that a ton of people are still complaining and even going so far as to say the Xbone was BETTER OFF THE WAY IT WAS.
The fuck?
This just proves that no matter what people will complain about anything. It's like you're not existing if you don't complain about something.
Microsoft needs to really show why digital is better and slowly eat into the physical disc market.
I guess one of the issue is that they can't undercut retailers. So if they can't get you with price there needs to be something else. I think digital sharing needs to exist somehow.
Heck it took people awhile but now no one wants CDs. Heck CDs cost fucking less than MPS3 albums. Even auto rip ones on amazon! It's crazy.
Until people feel the physical discs are an inconvenience and no real advantage over digital we're going to be on this road.
I just don't get it...everyone keeps bringing up Steam and now iTunes. That's a joke! When you eventually upgrade your computer, you can still go back and play your old games. When your iPod breaks and a new version comes out your music will still work with it. What happens when it's time for the next Xbox, or if MS decides it's time to get out of the business? Then you would be fucked or you have to hope someone has hacked their way through the system so you can still play your old games.
Well except digital music was much cheaper for the most part. Most albums had a good songs. Instead of paying 14.99 for them you could pay 99 cents x number of good songs. Then you have the form factor of music on the go for the gym or travel. Digital for games outside switching discs does nothing better than physical. Not like game discs are huge and heavy like books were. Want people to buy digital games go to steam pricing and be done with it.
I am just very annoyed by the amazing short sightedness of everyone on GAF.
None of you scream about your consumer rights being taken away by Steam or anything similar but you cannot resell anything on there. But you get cheap games so its 100% ok and everyone loves it.
If MS had said all digital versions would be $10 less on day 1, everyone would have swept it aside.
To me, it seems like a lot of people saying its about one thing "consumer rights," which you really don't have rights regarding anything aside from the right to not buy something, but it is really about prices.
edit: heck why not offer the digital version with all retail copies. You know, an unsharable one. Just a one time deal.
Your missing the point that Steam is not the only game service on PC.
If MS had said all digital versions would be $10 less on day 1, everyone would have swept it aside.
Couldn't you then just give away the disc?
ßthePenguin;65048751 said:It wasn't even a feature yet. It was an improvised emergency plan made up after the initial shitstorm. They didn't plan to do this at all (or where was it at the conference / before the backlash) nor did they yet have a real idea how it would be like after all (or did you hear any compliant facts about "the family plan" or any official announcement).
Now if you think further, if they didn't even want to do this in the first place and were just going to to fight the current criticism, how long do you think it would have taken them to cut the feature back into a shape they and publishers would be more happy with the moment they'd see fit to do so?!
People who are now mourning about the loss of this "feature" are pretty much delusional imo. You have no idea what you would have actually gotten. Neither did MSFT.
Can't miss something that wasn't even there in the first place.
Your missing the point that Steam is not the only game service on PC.
Because Steam is a digital only service and this whole ordeal is about physical media being restricted, how fucking hard is it for some people to understand that these are completely different situations?
"If MS did this or did that", the whole point is that they fucking didn't do jack shit. We lose our rights to resell disc games, that means the MSRP will go down, right? Think again.
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Go buy a physical copy of a SteamWorks game.
Same situation.
Go buy a physical copy of a SteamWorks game.
Same situation.
I still like the idea. Yeah it's not "I can play the whole game for free", but it's the closest to having a free demo of any game (provided you know someone who has it). It's nice for the user who can try almost everything, it's nice for the publisher who can have free promotion...
Nobody loses.
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Right, and who will be the first to make it popular on console?
I guess some people feel that model has no room to exist in the console world. If you want all digital, stick to PC.
How many games fall under that situation? A few cases and an entire library aren't the same thing.Go buy a physical copy of a SteamWorks game.
Same situation.
I don't get this argument. You can be 100% digital on PS4 and Xbox one. That hasn't been lost. Everyone now has the option they prefer.
Being digital now is useless on xbox one or ps4.... no benefits to it now.
You can do that without tying it into sharing. You can already do the same thing on psn with certain games.
Being digital now is useless on xbox one or ps4.... no benefits to it now.
"certain games" is useless. There are already demos for "certain games". It would have been great to possibly have demos for all games, like we did for XBLA. With an additional social aspect, like "hey, look at this game I just bought, it's great you should try it !"
I don't get this argument. You can be 100% digital on PS4 and Xbox one. That hasn't been lost. Everyone now has the option they prefer.
Being digital now is useless on xbox one or ps4.... no benefits to it now.
You don't have to get up and make that long walk from sofa to console to swap out Blue-Tinted Gun-Shootin' Game 362 for Brown-Tinted Gun-Shootin' Game 201. Don't sell digital so short.
There are the same benefits as there were ever going to be, save having to download vs ripping from disc.
Prices were never going to be like Steam, and sharing was never going to work as implied. Take the pipe dreams away, and nothing has changed.
Blame MS. Not gamers who wanted physical copy rights to be what they always were.
There are the same benefits as there were ever going to be, save having to download vs ripping from disc.
Prices were never going to be like Steam, and sharing was never going to work as implied. Take the pipe dreams away, and nothing has changed.
MS should do a split DRM scheme.
Physical purchases act exactly like they do now in current gen.
Digital purchases are able to be shared using the DRM scheme that they proposed for the "Family Share" feature.
At any time you can go offline, but when that happens you lock all of your Family out of the digital purchased goods. You can still play them yourself, but the library is closed until your console performs an online check.
In this way they're still giving people what they want AND they give greater incentive to digital distribution (something that they claim to want).
But why do you need a sharing feature to make it apply to all games? The two things are unrelated. Like you say, xbla does it, no sharing there. If anything making it sharing only restricts what games you could trial.
I don't see how digital will be the same as this gen with the new news. If Microsoft want people to buy digital, they can have sales for a selection of their games on demand weekly. If they want to please retailers they can have the same policy that they do currently. All of my games on demand purchases this generation were games that had great deals. (ie. Borderlands 2 just one sale recently which was far less than retail)
If they have more frequent deals next gen, I'll be buying much more digitally than physical.
I blame narrow minded gamers who actually think what we have now is a good solution
I am just very annoyed by the amazing short sightedness of everyone on GAF.
None of you scream about your consumer rights being taken away by Steam or anything similar but you cannot resell anything on there. But you get cheap games so its 100% ok and everyone loves it.
If MS had said all digital versions would be $10 less on day 1, everyone would have swept it aside.
To me, it seems like a lot of people saying its about one thing "consumer rights," which you really don't have rights regarding anything aside from the right to not buy something, but it is really about prices.
Not having to get MS's permission everyday to play my games is a much better solution.
Forget the sharing/renting/used arguments. The 24 hour, internet required DRM, was not worth it at any price, with any other feature.
Deals are good, but I think it needs more than that. Digital sharing seemed like the next step in convincing people that digital did have certain advantages over physical games.
Not having to get MS's permission everyday to play my games is a much better solution.
Forget the sharing/renting/used arguments. The 24 hour, internet required DRM, was not worth it at any price, with any other feature.
It never really made sense - so militant about stopping other sharing, but somehow allowing this branching access between libraries so everyone can access a huge list of games without paying? Seemed made up to me.
This is why I think the family sharing thing is bs.
This is why I think the family sharing thing is bs.
Deals are good, but I think it needs more than that. Digital sharing seemed like the next step in convincing people that digital did have certain advantages over physical games.
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MS should do a split DRM scheme.
Physical purchases act exactly like they do now in current gen.
Digital purchases are able to be shared using the DRM scheme that they proposed for the "Family Share" feature.
At any time you can go offline, but when that happens you lock all of your Family out of the digital purchased goods. You can still play them yourself, but the library is closed until your console performs an online check.
In this way they're still giving people what they want AND they give greater incentive to digital distribution (something that they claim to want).