R3TRODYCE
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It means that imo most of them suck so I can see why a big publisher haven't picked them up in the first place. But like I said this is good for the people that like them.
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Rumor: Microsoft announcing Indie self-publishing for Xbox One this week at BUILD?
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It means that imo most of them suck so I can see why a big publisher haven't picked them up in the first place. But like I said this is good for the people that like them.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Read #150,first line
Crazy that my second&third quote already said it's about conference,why you ignore it?when i said WHOLE E3?
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
...They announce used games/DRM plan before E3,not after
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Banned
If they do indeed announce this, and also an option to buy without Kinnect for a discount, I might actually reconsider my ps4 pre order.
phosphor112
Banned
There was NOTHING that you said until THAT line that you were talking about the conference. Every other post you made before that said "E3" not "conference."
You DID mention "You don't know what a conference is do you?" earlier, but you still said "E3" as a whole from your initial post. No one was talking about a conference at first. Especially not you.
w1gglyjones
Member
Between this and the DRM 180, MS is acting like your hot girlfriend who cheats on you and you dump her. Then she comes back crying, begging for another chance.
NO. Get off me...
NO. Get off me...
That is not an indication of whether they suck or not, big publishers these days very rarely go out of their comfort zone when it comes to publishing games.
LiquidSolid
Member
1. Bullshit. But phosphor112 already explained why, so I won't go into details.
2. So what? Those are two completely different fucking things.
3. It depends. If they're implementing features that people take for granted on other systems, they're perceived as being behind the curve. Same exact thing as when Sony came up with the PSN, they were simply copying Microsoft and didn't receive any praise for doing so.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
They won't just open it up and make XBL like an App Store.
There has to be some kind of curation on these boxes.
There has to be some kind of curation on these boxes.
Gotta be honest, in a way I hate seeing Microsoft nixing all their bad policies, because it seems to be working. They had a rotten attitude this whole time, completely arrogant, and now that people laughed at them and told them to get bent, they're reversing course and we're just supposed to hop on board all of a sudden? The culture that created all this mess still seems to be there, and I think rewarding them so quickly because they've placated us is silly and kind of stupid.
If it works for them in the end and they "win," they'll do all the same bullshit all over again. As soon as they see an opening, or a lack of competition, they'll try to force this same nonsense. I can't get that out of my head. Yeah, I've seen Titanfall. I've also seen years of bullshit, and that weighs far more heavily in my mind.
If it works for them in the end and they "win," they'll do all the same bullshit all over again. As soon as they see an opening, or a lack of competition, they'll try to force this same nonsense. I can't get that out of my head. Yeah, I've seen Titanfall. I've also seen years of bullshit, and that weighs far more heavily in my mind.
Oppo
Member
I can quote you right back wsippel
wsippel said:
That toolchain. Also, Eurogamer has quotes from devs like "it's fighting us every step of the way".
As for Unity – don't be disingenuous, of course it's only running on Wii U now, as the PS4/X1 aren't even out yet. But you know as well as I that Unity was all over PS4 at GDC, and will be up and running pretty much when that console hits the ground.
http://blogs.unity3d.com/2013/03/21/unity-coming-to-sony-consoles-this-year/
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
You 2 are psychologists or what?And i clearly said "the conference is good",the conference,did you know how hard to type "conference" for a non native english speaker?(of course,still easier than "psychologists")
And?many people still compared Steam to console?why i can't now because it's about indie?
I don't fucking care PSN paywall anyway,i can always take PSN+ yearly card for free thanks to my friend
I think I know what he means. I tried to get a friend into some PC indie games when he finally got a gaming pc and he didn't care. FTL seemed to be just up his alley, but he was annoyed at the fact it didn't have presentation he wanted. He just likes big, polished, 'event' games. You can't force people to like stuff
Rising_Hei
Member
how so ? when everything MS is doing is copying Sony
phosphor112
Banned
Dude, this is your FIRST QUOTE that we responded to.
You said they didn't fuck up anything at E3. E3 is a week long. Second part of that, you said it was a good conference. E3 doesn't consist of JUST the conference. You were wrong on both accounts in that same post.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I use "," not ".",why you think it's second part?i'm clearly talking about the conference
w1gglyjones
Member
Yup. People just need to walk away from MS console business.
MS is turning into that ex girlfriend who dyes her hair to the color of your new girl and shows up unannounced on Christmas
..its just getting weird now.
(Good for the indies though..and gamers too)
The problem is they probably still WANT to do all the bad stuff, and are just trying to figure out how. Id remain cautioussince their eula is 'subject to change'
If they can 'day 1 patch' it out, they can 'day X patch it in'...Idont know if they are even so bold as to attempt it, but its not a totally out there scenario.
..its just getting weird now.
(Good for the indies though..and gamers too)
The problem is they probably still WANT to do all the bad stuff, and are just trying to figure out how. Id remain cautioussince their eula is 'subject to change'
If they can 'day 1 patch' it out, they can 'day X patch it in'...Idont know if they are even so bold as to attempt it, but its not a totally out there scenario.
Wildstar75
Member
This should have been part of the original unveiling. Lets hope this happens. This may be the last step in their 180 plan.
phosphor112
Banned
I'm not going to bother anymore. Now you're just arguing the use of your comma as opposed to a period. Even though both are used to separate clauses. Too bad the sentence was poorly written in the first place.
If you aren't a native English speaker. I can understand the confusion, but if you are, you really messed up with the semantics of that sentence. You made it seem that your understanding of "E3" was limiting it to the conference. Which, once again, is wrong.
I'm done here though.
If you aren't a native English speaker. I can understand the confusion, but if you are, you really messed up with the semantics of that sentence. You made it seem that your understanding of "E3" was limiting it to the conference. Which, once again, is wrong.
I'm done here though.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
It's never too late. Those who never had any intentions of getting a Xbox One won't be persuaded no matter what they do.
That's the thing, some people only see what they want to see.
LiquidSolid
Member
1. You replied to someone that said Microsoft fucked up E3 by saying their conference was good and that meant they had a good E3. E3 isn't just a fucking conference.
2. It depends on what you're talking about. If you're going to look at it from the perspective of an indie then yeah, it shouldn't really matter. But you can't just say "Sony copied Steam" when in reality it's a hell of a lot more complicated than that.
3. I wasn't talking about the paywall, I was talking about when the PSN was first being created and Sony were implementing simple features like cross-game invites that 360 owners took for granted by that point. You don't get to celebrate a victory for coming second or third.
I don't get this. They reacted. It's not panic if it's a full 5 months before launch. They made their plans known, they tried to show it's value. People and news orgs reacted badly. They saw that their plans were not being accepted and they they changed their minds. So now instead of having to deal with the drm, it's already gone, months before launch.
I wish Sony panicked like this last gen, instead of taking 5 years to get it's shit together.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I'm not,hope you know that,i bet several people don't even understand what i am saying due to my grammar btw
Read my post above,you're slow
It's not complicated,allow indie first and allow indie later,most people care the how it process,and it's not a bad thing
What "victory"?wait,what are you playing seriously?Console games or console itself?why i need to "victory"?what we need to know is "is that bad or good for us?",and if it's good,first or latest,doesn't matter
I agree on your last point. For Microsoft, king of fuck what you want you get what we give you, this is panic.
I H8 Memes
Member
MS looks desperate with all of these post E3 changes.
Unfortunately the change that would matter most to me would be ditching Kinect/snap/UI bullshit and freeing up an extra 2gb's of memory for games. And there is no chance that happens.
Unfortunately the change that would matter most to me would be ditching Kinect/snap/UI bullshit and freeing up an extra 2gb's of memory for games. And there is no chance that happens.
Developers using Unity (or Web Framework) don't have to mess with the toolchain. Also, that Eurogamer quote was most likely about the unfinished and incomplete toolchain and almost complete lack of useful documentation prior to launch.I can quote you right back wsippel
That toolchain. Also, Eurogamer has quotes from devs like "it's fighting us every step of the way".
As for Unity don't be disingenuous, of course it's only running on Wii U now, as the PS4/X1 aren't even out yet. But you know as well as I that Unity was all over PS4 at GDC, and will be up and running pretty much when that console hits the ground.
http://blogs.unity3d.com/2013/03/21/unity-coming-to-sony-consoles-this-year/
And sure, Unity will certainly run on PS4 and Xbone, but we don't know if Microsoft or Sony will strike a deal to provide all their developers with free Unity licenses and support. They didn't in the past. And that in itself is a pretty big deal.
I fully expect them to just open up the app store for third party developers. The big question will be if these kind of apps will have any Xbox LIVE support (as in achievements and leaderboards). If not, it will be Indie games on Xbox 360 all over again.
post e3 changes, how exactly do you know they are changing anything other than the drm stuff and aren't introducing a new thing for indies?
Removing 2 of 3 OSes nobody needs? Why not?
Removing Kinect and offer a basic SKU for $399? More 180° couldn't be that hard.
Changing to GDDR5 RAM? I doubt it
Renaming Xbox one to Xbox four? Who knows?
w1gglyjones
Member
Removing 2 of 3 OSes nobody needs? Why not?
Removing Kinect and offer a basic SKU for $399? More 180° couldn't be that hard.
Changing to GDDR5 RAM? I doubt it
Renaming Xbox one to Xbox four? Who knows?
All those changes would warrant a name change to Xbox 4
The PS3 had self-publishing since launch, which was only shortly after Valve started letting third parties onto steam at all (I'm too lazy to dig up which got the first proper self-published indie game ). And whatever other faults the service may have had, Wiiware also had self-publishing. These are are not new features.
LiquidSolid
Member
Your above post doesn't clarify anything. The sequence of events is as I described, you're just using your crappy grammar as an excuse to move the goalposts.
It doesn't matter what people care about, saying "x copied Valve" ignores the reality of the situation, which is that on Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo's end, it IS complicated. The PC has a number of big advantages over consoles and matching it isn't simply a matter of copying Valve, it involves a lot of work.
It was a metaphor. I wasn't explicitly saying there'd be a victory, I was pointing out that just because a company caught up with the status quo doesn't mean everyone should pat them on the back. It should be expected that they catch up, not a surprise.
I don't know, I do think many people confused Microsoft confused with Apple here. Microsoft has always changed and adapted for customers and business needs. Most windows products go through a long beta process. The very nature of the service packs with Windows and Office are direct responses to their customer bases.
I H8 Memes
Member
Removing 2 of 3 OSes nobody needs? Why not?
Removing Kinect and offer a basic SKU for $399? More 180° couldn't be that hard.
Changing to GDDR5 RAM? I doubt it
Renaming Xbox one to Xbox four? Who knows?
There is no chance that they make changes to the hardware this late. They have probably already started fabing the hardware. Even if they hadnt a change to the hardware would set them back by 6 months to a year. Kinect 2.0 is definitely already being manufactured. And they wouldnt actually have to switch to gddr5 to be competitive with the PS4. They'd still be underpowered all around, but it wouldnt be anything that would be fatal to the box.
But being overall underpowered combined with having 2gb's less memory is just a shitty situation that is going to fuck over all gamers. Unless Sony ends up completely dominating the console race 3rd parties will end up designing their games around that stupid 5gb limit. Thanks MS.
I've never wanted a console to fail more than I want the Xbox 1 to fail. And not because of any corporate loyalty to Sony. Sony themselves pissed me off this gen with their convoluted cpu and memory design. But what Sony did was nothing compared to MS "The Homer" console design.
That is not why most indie games have no publisher. The reason is that they will not sell 5 million copies.
IdreamofHIME
Member
It's gonna drop $100 before launch for sure, Sony really threw a Fox in MS's henhouse and they ain't got any eggs for breakfast.
To all those saying Microsoft is copying/reacting/backtracking to Sony about indies, it was rumored since way before the Xbox one announcement that Microsoft was going to unify their windows phone/windows 8/Xbox store. The announcement of the 3 os's made this rumor even stronger. I fully expect that is what they'll announce at build. It's a win-win-win for all 3 of their platforms.
Plus you don't know how restrictive it will be in terms of gpu/CPU.
Plus you don't know how restrictive it will be in terms of gpu/CPU.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Oh,well,i don't need your trust.E3 conference,that's clearly what i said
Yeah and?most people don't care it's complicated or not,they care how it ends,Valve did it eariler(compared to other 3),that's it,for others,even they "copy" it(Sony and Nintendo for now)later,but if it's good thing,then it's good,btw i'm not the first one use "copying" in this thread,and actually
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=65932601#post65932601
I said "So you mean...",not "So i think..."
Well i guess other than saying Sony is awesome,you will keep argument as hard as you can you can.
I fully expect them to just open up the app store for third party developers. The big question will be if these kind of apps will have any Xbox LIVE support (as in achievements and leaderboards). If not, it will be Indie games on Xbox 360 all over again.
Every time I see this way of multitasking I think it's ridiculous. This probably only exists because it is also something Windows 8 can do. It makes sense on a tablet to have you mail client open at the side while surfing the web, but I would never want to give up any real estate of a game or film ever.
Barkley's Justice
Member
Anyone who thinks Microsoft cobbled this self-publishing idea together in the last few weeks is a fool.
Honestly, does anyone here know what they are talking about?
Honestly, does anyone here know what they are talking about?
lastflowers
Banned
If this is anything like I predicted a while ago, I'm going to be happy.
Enable WinRT games on Xbox One to be self-published. Indies could then release their games on Xbox,big Windows, and winphone with mostly changes to resolution/input (if the game would work in all three scenarios).
Add some Kinect APIs for public use
Enable WinRT games on Xbox One to be self-published. Indies could then release their games on Xbox,big Windows, and winphone with mostly changes to resolution/input (if the game would work in all three scenarios).
Add some Kinect APIs for public use
barkers crest
Member
See Post #151.
The Faceless Master
Member
their brutal PR failure the past few months really seems to have been the best thing for us... and them. #theswitch keeps giving!