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[Somnia]

They should have announced this as soon as they made the decision. Why would you hide that info? Wtf?

They possibly had it planned with Indies showing support and games, etc. Like Sony did at E3.

 

[Marleyman]

I see indies doing some cool shit w/ Kinect.

 

[Guymelef]

If every XBone can be a devkit must be some kind of hardware access limit.

 

[Raymo]

Full X1: access to all graphic/hardware features like any AAA game would get.
App program: limited access to hardware and features.

CBOAT says its going to be an app program. But the achievements/cloud support gives me hope.

Do Windows Apps support Xbox achievements?

I think this a part of their "timeline" they mentioned they will reveal at Gamescom. Basic app store support now and then they will work achivements and cloud support into the mix later.


Edit:

Games on the Windows 8 app store have achievements.

I guess cloud and achievements might already be a part of the Windows App store?

 

[RoboPlato]

They should have announced this as soon as they made the decision. Why would you hide that info? Wtf?

To have a a big, headline grabbing announcement at Gamescom. They announced a ton of games at E3 and don't seem to care all that much about GC but don't want to get left out of the major news.

All XB1 being able to be switched to devkit mode with a auth from Microsoft is opening some big doors to piracy... I mean, sure it will be super secured and it's not like this will mean the console will get pirated on day 1 but this gives one more ways for people to potentially find a way around the console's DRM.

You probably need to contact them and get some authorization key to access it and anything you do or make will have your ID code linked to it.

 

[BleachAndPepsi]

Provided this isn't locked down as apps instead of full games as rumored, good on Microsoft. That's extremely forward thinking and even gives them a leg up over Sony in the indie department with the "every Xbone is a dev kit" idea.

 

[Dante316]

Wow seems sony and fans destroyed xbone original plans. The only difference now might be price 500 to 400. Which is still pretty good position. Hopefully indies make money and more games. Gamers win no matter what

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

What's with the red text over Blow's inquiry?

What's the revenue split?

Edit: Sorry, I thought you were asking what it was covering.

 

[derFeef]

All XB1 being able to be switched to devkit mode with a auth from Microsoft is opening some big doors to piracy... I mean, sure it will be super secured and it's not like this will mean the console will get pirated on day 1 but this gives one more ways for people to potentially find a way around the console's DRM.

What DRM?

 

[jwk94]

Well, like a full game and some app that just tells the time, or gets RSS feeds etc.

Full X1: access to all graphic/hardware features like any AAA game would get.
App program: limited access to hardware and features.

CBOAT says its going to be an app program. But the achievements/cloud support gives me hope.

Do Windows Apps support Xbox achievements?

FYI: still no sign this isn't a re-announcement of the WinRT app store ghetto.



Shoved in a corner, hardware limitations, designed more for Netflix than games (see the state of the Windows 8 Store and you'll see what I mean).

[Edit] Skulls of the Shogun is a fine example of precisely why the champagne should remain in the fridge until we get clarification.

Ok, thanks. What happened with Skulls of the Shogun?

 

[abadguy]

Just glad to see them making all these changes before the console is out.

 

[Leflus]

All XB1 being able to be switched to devkit mode with a auth from Microsoft is opening some big doors to piracy... I mean, sure it will be super secured and it's not like this will mean the console will get pirated on day 1 but this gives one more ways for people to potentially find a way around the console's DRM.

1000% increase in preorders confirmed.

 

[Raide]

I see indies doing some cool shit w/ Kinect.

I want to see the Kinect Labs rebirth.

DoubleFine will also need to be onboard.

 

[ultron87]

What DRM? You mean the Kinect requirement stuff?

The same DRM consoles have had for years that prevents rampant piracy?

 

[Marleyman]

They possibly had it planned with Indies showing support and games, etc. Like Sony did at E3.

Yep; pretty much.

 

[T.O.P]

That sound pretty awesome

 

[Megasoum]

What DRM? You mean the Kinect requirement stuff?

The DRM that will be on every discs and in the system OS preventing multiple installs of the same "cd-key". This is obviously disabled on a devkit. So, if people find a way to switch their XB1 into devkit mode without Microsoft's approval then they could simply go and download any games ont he net and install them on the machine.

You probably need to contact them and get some authorization key to access it and anything you do or make will have your ID code linked to it.

Yeah of course you will. I'm not saying that the console will automatically get pirated because of that. All I'm saying is that it's giving one more way the console could potentially get pirated.

 

[USC-fan]

And the xbox 180 is living up to its name.

Now drop kinect and I'm in.

 

[aaaaaa]

Love that they worked THE CLOUD into the their statement.

 

[Mifune]

Hmmm...so maybe Kevin Dent was right about something for the first time ever?

 

[Marleyman]

And the xbox 180 is living up to its name.

Now drop kinect and I'm in.

No way they drop Kinect.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

It's amazing that every kit will be able to be a dev kit. Huge news. Can't wait to hear the details at Gamescom.

 

[Hana-Bi]

Will indie devs will be limited to the 2 CPU cores and 3GB of RAM that the Windows OS uses? Has MS said one way or the other? I think that would be pretty important.

That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE

This sounds to me like all devs can use the full potential of the X1.

 

[Raide]

The same DRM consoles have had for years that prevents rampant piracy?

The DRM that will be on every discs and in the system OS preventing multiple installs of the same "cd-key". This is obviously disabled on a devkit. So, if people find a way to switch their XB1 into devkit mode without Microsoft's approval then they could simply go and download any games ont he net and install them on the machine.

Ahh, I see. Thanks both for the clarification.

 

[Jonboy]

Posted this in the other thread, but I think it's probably appropriate here as well...

https://twitter.com/shahidkamal

 

[BleachAndPepsi]

Wow seems sony and fans destroyed xbone original plans. The only difference now might be price 500 to 400. Which is still pretty good position. Hopefully indies make money and more games. Gamers win no matter what

The fact that the console itself is a dev kit makes me think they've been planning this for quite some time. It's not like Sony can just flip a switch and make every PS4 a dev kit as well.

Give Microsoft credit where it's due; they kicked butt on this one. Now if they can lower the price, dump Kinect, and make the console at least as powerful as the PS4, I may pick one up.

 

[Dog Problems]

I see indies doing some cool shit w/ Kinect.

Yeah, that's what I'm most excited for. Between Dead Rising 3 sounding better and better, Below, and now this; I've very interested in getting the console now.

 

[Portugeezer]

What's with the red text over Blow's inquiry?

Probably some Xbone asshat upset with him over the last few months.

 

[Steve McQueen]

They should have announced this as soon as they made the decision. Why would you hide that info? Wtf?

Good point, although announcing it at Gamescom has more impact I suppose.

 

[Emperor Bohe]

wow, this is some good ass news.

 

[Domino792]

Good for them, for making the change.

 

[Impeccable]

Sounds awesome but also sounds like it could open up some nasty piracy issues.

 

[mrjohill]

And the xbox 180 is living up to its name.

Now drop kinect and I'm in.

Ha they aren't gonna drop the kinect

 

[Guymelef]

Polygon:

"That every Xbox One can be used for development. That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE. This means self-publishing. This means Kinect, the cloud, achievements.

Seems like isn't only for shared Windows 8 market games.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

. It's not like Sony can just flip a switch and make every PS4 a dev kit as well.

If there's one thing we've learned about switch flipping on next gen consoles it's that it's entirely possible.... I just don't think Sony want to dedicate as much RAM as that to OS functions.

 

[Dreamgazer]

So what game engine/licenses will be offered with each console dev kit?

 

[RoboPlato]

This sounds to me like all devs can use the full potential of the X1.

Power =/= features

 

[Amir0x]

Wow seems sony and fans destroyed xbone original plans. The only difference now might be price 500 to 400. Which is still pretty good position. Hopefully indies make money and more games. Gamers win no matter what

I made this post the last time someone claimed they were basically the same system now ->

● Kinect 2.0 mandatory vs. PS Camera Optional
● No Self-Publishing vs. Self-Publishing Use System as Dev Kit vs. ????
● "Intentionally didn't target the highest end specs" vs. As powerful as money allowed
● Haptic Feedback Triggers vs. PS4 Touch Pad
● Asymmetric Analog Sticks vs. Symmetric Analog Sticks
● New Improved D-Pad vs. Light Indicator (Health, Etc) and Controller Speaker
● No Headset Packed-in vs. Headset Packed-in
● $499.99 vs. $399.99
● Snap/HBO Go/Tried-and-True Online infrastructure vs. PS+ value; critical integration of Share feature
● "Power of Cloud" for dedicated servers, some low level enhancements for games vs. "Power of Cloud" for streaming PS1, PS2 or PS3 games
● All-in-One-Entertainment Device vs. "A system for the gamers, by the gamers."
● Does not allow previous gen peripherals; proprietary set up forces reset vs. 98% of your peripherals from last-gen should work
● Paywall for basically everything vs. Paywall for multiplayer only; free-to-play and all apps remain free for all.
● 15 Exclusives in First Year, 8 new IP and ??? total in development vs. 20 Exclusives in First year, 12 new IP and 30 total in development.
● SmartGlass integration vs. PS Vita integration

 

[Somnia]

https://twitter.com/GI_AndyMc/status/360137202069544960

This tweet probably confirms they are having Indies on stage to show games.

Looks like they weren't happy about this leaking either.

 

[TheRealTalker]

They should have announced this as soon as they made the decision. Why would you hide that info? Wtf?

from their competitors especially the dev kit stuff

 

[Conor 419]

Wow seems sony and fans destroyed xbone original plans. The only difference now might be price 500 to 400. Which is still pretty good position. Hopefully indies make money and more games. Gamers win no matter what

You have to bear in mind that the atrocious management staff responsible for fun activities such as

- Having an entirely inept first party portfolio
- Killing Halo and Gears
- Weaker system with heavier price tag
- DRM
- Always online
- Laughable indie treatment

Are still going to be at large making similar decisions over the next few years, any reasonable person would acknowledge that unless Microsoft fire the entirety of the upper echelon that composes their management, that they are still set for an awful few years.

 

[John Caboose]

What DRM?

Do you know what DRM is? If your question is serious then the answer to mine is no.

 

[Raide]

So what game engine/licenses will be offered with each console dev kit?

I am sure Unity will be supported. That would be pretty awesome tbh.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I do hope they have some other GamesCom surprises in the pipeline now this one has leaked, it's sad that they didn't get their big reveal and "oh-shit!" moment.

 

[jbug617]

Phil Fish official comment. Fez 2 probably still not coming to Xbox.
https://twitter.com/phil_fish/status/360140554341851136

 

[Domcorleone]

Keep on cleaning up those mistakes MS. Please just lower the price or give me kinectless X1 so i can be there day 1

 

[Jonboy]

Still have that cboat rumour to clarify...

What's the cboat rumor?

 

[JJD]

This is a big step in the right direction for MS. The every console is a dev kit thing seems great too, but frankly I'm concerned about security issues.

The 360 got hacked pretty quickly.

 

[metalslimer]

An indie program that should have been announced months ago is their big Gamescom announcement?

 

[Einbroch]

Good for them. At least they're correcting their mistakes.

Will people forget that they made those mistakes in the first place? Is it too late? Who knows, but they're going in the right direction.