Man, I'd buy a 3DS so fast. The last one I played was Black and White (which was the most fun I've had since Sapphire/Ruby/Emerald).
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Pokémon master wannabe Ash Ketchum is a loser
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Man, I'd buy a 3DS so fast. The last one I played was Black and White (which was the most fun I've had since Sapphire/Ruby/Emerald).
You obviously don't remember the show very much. Stop relying on childhood memories, Misty was the least active female lead of the series and she spent the majority of her run doing nothing but clutching Togepi in the backgrond.
The few times we see Misty battle in the series its either to watch her fail with her Psyduck or come up with some mediocre battle where she generally loses. Misty bombed almost all her battles in Kanto and she only has a few decent battles towards the end of Johto.
This is on top of the fact that Misty's team mostly considered of pathetically weak and underdeveloped pokemon. Half her team couldn't even battle properly like Psyduck, Horsea, Goldeen, Togepi unless under certain conditions.
Misty might quite possibly be one of the worst battlers among all of Ash's friends, excluding Tracey/Max of course.
No, it's still firmly planted in the "shonen" genre, especially since contests weren't solely a female competition with three male main rivals and one very androgynous looking female rival. And you can believe that's what he meant, but that doesn't change that he went on to state that her removal wasn't due to not liking her as a character, only that she had the least justification to stay, just like how May and Dawn fit the same mold.
Well, of course. Why would they air them later, when the iron wasn't as hot? All characters lose popularity over time if they leave, this certainly isn't exclusive to one character.
Come on man, now you're just insulting other people. I was on BMGF and serebii around the same time, and the Misty fervor didn't die down until it became clear that she wasn't going to return in the next series (DP), when shippers and the like just lost interest and began leaving.
No, because I'm fucking perfect and never fail
May's personality was all over the place from my perspective and wasn't interesting without her rivals to bounce off of her, and Dawn's development stopped right after the Wallace Cup and was pretty shallow and unendearing before that.
Cybersai, are u that "Cybercubed" guy that used to be on Pokémon forums back in the day? The way u "complain" about Misty is really familiar for some reason.
Anyways I think they shoulda wrapped up Ash's story a long time ago, but its whatever. Haven't really kept up with the show since like early DP, couldn't get over the whole voice change in the English version.
I did start catching a few episodes of the latest series in the morning on cartoon network. Some of em weren't so bad and I like that black girl Iris, but dang what di they do to Ash's eyes?
Anyways I think they shoulda wrapped up Ash's story a long time ago, but its whatever. Haven't really kept up with the show since like early DP, couldn't get over the whole voice change in the English version.
I did start catching a few episodes of the latest series in the morning on cartoon network. Some of em weren't so bad and I like that black girl Iris, but dang what di they do to Ash's eyes?
Pokemon isn't considered shounen to my knowledge, it's aimed at an even younger audience than shounen.
I recall Misty getting worse and worse. She started out with Staryu and Starmie being fairly competent, but then she started staying in the background more except for when Psyduck needed to be a deus ex machina. Granted, Brock wasn't much better in Kanto (No idea past then), but at least none of his Pokemon were ever pushovers. Zubat, Geodude, Onyx, and... Yep, that's about it. Still, those three all did pretty well for themselves.
Honestly can't believe how people are resistant to the changes. Most people really are nostalgia filled too, when you actrually look back, Misty barely did anything. As soon as she got Togepi, much of her personality went out the window barring the occasional episode.
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Episode 269: Love, Pokemon Style!
Episode 270: Tie One On!
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Indigo League:
Episode 76: All Fired Up
Episode 77: Round One - Begin!
Episode 78: Fire and Ice
Episode 79: Fourth Round Rumble
Episode 80: A Friend In Deed
Episode 81: Friend or Foe Alike
Orange League:
Episode 113: Hello Pumello
Episode 114: Enter the Dragonite
Johto League - Silver Conference (Dub Series: Master Quest)
Episode 267: Pop Goes The Sneasel!
Episode 268: A Claim to Flame!
Episode 269: Love, Pokemon Style!
Episode 270: Tie One On!
Episode 271: The Ties That Bind
Episode 272: Can't Beat the Heat!
Episode 273: Playing with Fire!
Episode 274: Johto Photo Finish
Hoenn League Dub Series: Advanced Battle
Episode 402: Like a Meowth to a Flame
Episode 403: Saved by the Beldum
Episode 404: From Brags to Riches
Episode 405: Shocks and Bonds
Episode 406: A Judgment Brawl!
Episode 407: Choose It or Lose It
Episode 408: At the End of the Fray
Sinnoh League (Dub Series: DP Sinnoh League Victors)
Episode 650: An Old Family Blend!
Episode 651: League Unleashed!
Episode 652: Casting a Paul on Barry!
Episode 653: Working on a Right Move!
Episode 654: Familiarity Breeds Strategy!
Episode 655: A Real Rival Rouser!
Episode 656: Battling a Thaw in Relations
Episode 657: The Semi-Final Frontier
Unova League (Dub Series: Black & White - Adventures in Unova)
Episode 764: Curtain Up, Unova League
Episode 764: Mission: Defeat Your Rival!
Episode 764: Lost at the League!
Episode 764: Strong Strategy Steals the Show!
Episode 764: Cameron's Secret Weapon!
Episode 764: A Unova League Evolution
And yet May was replaced with a very similar character with a similar personality and who had the same exact goal. Everyone knew the moment Dawn was introduced it was simply because of R/S to DP advertising, nothing to do with characters.
Dawn wouldn't have been designed to be so similar to May in the first place. Nor would they have continued the Contests in DP either.
But those were the groups of people who were trying to make a big deal out of it. I remember everyone else was just happy Johto was finally over and most people saw May and Contests as a fresh addition to the series.
In fact if you really use the search feature you can find old threads from 2004/2005 where people argue against Misty returning and agree her being part of the show again was unlikely. I don't think *anyone* truly expected Misty to replace May in the series at Hoenn's conclusion besides some of the more obsessive fans.
For example when the Battle Frontier arc was starting and Misty left again after those Pallet eps but May stayed, not a single person in the fandom was surprised. Everyone knew they would keep May over Misty, and sure enough it happened. I mean if nobody was surprised its because everyone who was in the fandom at the time knew that May and the Contests were such a popular addition to the show that the writers would have no reason to go back to Misty.
I always worked under the assumption that Misty's departure wasn't intended to be permanant at first, as you said, they kept her character alive during AG with all those specials. Also back in 2003 the writers did it as an experiment at first, they weren't sure if it was going to work. It only became permanant because May became too popular too fast, and the Contests exploded in popularity in the anime. Once that happened Misty's fate was sealed.
I thought May was the only real well developed female lead from beginnning to end in the series. The only real problem with her was a few of her cheaper contest victories, but other than that May's personality was the best developed. You can watch early Hoenn, then mid Hoenn, then late Hoenn/BF....and May acts very different depending on which portion of the series you're watching. She also had the best interactions with her rivals in the series and the chemistry of the Hoenn group was very well done.
And like you said, May's personality could go from being girly and energetic at some points (similar to Dawn), to more tsundre and adamant at other points. In many ways May was the most realistic developed personality of the series.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
But for the most part he only brings up the Pokedex on Pokemon he hasn't seen or scanned, and there's that "Pokedex data isn't carried" crap. It is annoying, but it doesn't maek him an idiot.
And yet people compare the "Red" based on the Johto guy who was easily beaten. The Captured Pokemon is a flimsy excuse when they all resort to video game actions that rarely match. For instance, Red didn't really "take down" Rocket - Ethan did.
Yeah it was promising to say the least. Like BW the whole journey felt like a drag :/
killertofu
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It's funny how much people are complaining about a TV show for children.
Speaking of which, I was at a bar the other night and they just happened to be playing an old Pokemon episode on one of the TVs. The one where Ash meets that Samurai and his Metapod evolves into a Butterfree.
Major nostalgia happening. I'm pretty sure I was 7 when that came out, then I was watching it randomly while drinking a beer. How odd.
Oh, I still remembered the Pokerap
Speaking of which, I was at a bar the other night and they just happened to be playing an old Pokemon episode on one of the TVs. The one where Ash meets that Samurai and his Metapod evolves into a Butterfree.
Major nostalgia happening. I'm pretty sure I was 7 when that came out, then I was watching it randomly while drinking a beer. How odd.
Oh, I still remembered the Pokerap
ambientmystic
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A bar serving hard liqour for grown ass adults playing Pokemon episodes.
Now I've heard everything.
NoirVisage
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killertofu
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ESPN on one TV, Fox Sports on the second TV...then Pokemon.
I never did understand why Misty hardly battled in the series. Apparently she was a Gym leader yet she made no effort to battle or train her Pokemon?
The mere fact that the writers had her constantly rely on Psyduck to save herself in most situations shows her lack of battle skills.
The mere fact that the writers had her constantly rely on Psyduck to save herself in most situations shows her lack of battle skills.
zeopower6
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Did anyone argue that Misty did anything? I feel like both Brock AND Misty were shafted in that department, with Brock being forced to stay around for a lot longer to cook and take care of the other 'kids' before Cilan ended up with that role. (I wonder if the BW team is supposed to mirror the original team in some way... Brock/Misty were both gym leaders who decided to tag along with Ash much like Cilan/Iris (depending on the game, in this case, I think they used Black as a reference) had been while May/Dawn were also starting their journeys at the same time Ash was.
I think if they were able to bring back Misty and have her become a main companion now (not that it will ever happen), she would at least have options of things to do during the adventure. Having Misty be a gym leader the entire time didn't help either since she didn't need to go on her ~journey to become a Pokemon trainer~... or had she ever gone on her journey since she was pretty young and was just given the title because of her sisters?
Shouta
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You mean shows the lack of writing skills on the staff.
What about X & Y? Just curious.
Found the picture that was refered before, the one with Brock as a wizard.
Why do they always draw May with a huge chest? Are they big in the show?
That fanart is showing the characters as if they aged, May and Misty are 22 and 24 in that picture.
In the actual anime though, May's chest was noticeably bigger than all the other girls. In fact when Hoenn first started airing people refused to believe that May was 10 because she was designed to look like a teenager.
zeopower6
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I think the joke is that May has a huge chest (at least drawn with more of a bust than other companions), and that's why she's kind of popular with some people. She had a lot of doujinshi made with her in it, let's just say that. lol
I'm not sure if it's milking exactly... but the show is made to sell the games/other merchandise and as long as there are new games, Ash will not be able to actually progress UNLESS they let him end his journey with the end of XY and introduce a brand new character (and also a brand new main Pokemon? Unless the new person ALSO has a Pikachu)... but from what I've seen, it's just easier to keep Ash/Pikachu around in the anime.
I never understood why they rebooted the series (game) and not the anime. Ash is one hell of an idiot that never seems to understands type and, forgets shit that already happened a season ago. It's obvious that they wanted the anime to remain accessible but they haven't seem to have done a good job of it. Just finish the damn series and start a new one with a new character already.
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HawthorneKitty
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You lose Ash, you lose Pikachu.
What? A new character can have a Pikachu outside it's ball? It's not the same.
What? A new character can have a Pikachu outside it's ball? It's not the same.
Unless ash has a son/daughter who inherits pikachu
HawthorneKitty
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He's eternally 10.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Kicks the shit out of everything with a shitty Pikachu, yeah I'd say that's pretty much master status.
zeopower6
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Raichu is so hideous though... :/ Plus Pikachu is sort of the 'face' of the Pokemon brand even though a recent poll had him trailing behind Arceus (no.1), Deoxys, and Darkrai.
clay_ghost
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Found the picture that was refered before, the one with Brock as a wizard.
DId this picture get updated? i want to see what happen to them in 2013 lol
His team should all be level 100 by then lol
There's a lot of creepy Pokemon fanart out there. Such as one with Ash "banging" Misty, May and Dawn all at the same time.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hilbert is the best boy
Oh wow, Pokemon fans have shit taste. Arceus is ugly and they just like it because it's "God".
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's more to do with Pikachu being tiring I suppose.
And I'm actually glad that's the case, you rarely see Arceus on top. I'd prefer Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre or Zekrom though. And honestly? If you view Arceus as an Eastern deity its design would fit (it's not "God").
For what it's worth, the conditions of the poll was that the winner would get a dream world distribution, which I'd imagine is the reason why three incredibly rare Pokemon were in the top three. In any other situation, the face of the franchise would probably emerge predictably victorious.
zeopower6
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I see... that's even more of an accomplishment for Pikachu then to get in 4th after those, lol.
zeopower6
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I watched some of Kanto a while back and damn, they really didn't get Pikachu's design down until Johto, lol.
Meanwhile Raichu really is still fat (from DP)...
Tye The Czar
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I think everyone here will have a much better time watching Pokemon Bridged.
Found the picture that was refered before, the one with Brock as a wizard.
Whoa, in that last panel...did Pikachu die?
Have they ever had an episode that dealt with a Pokemon previously featured on the show passing away in another episode?
zeopower6
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I don't think that Pokemon who are featured ever 'die'.... apparently the only actual death to ever occur on screen
was Latios in Pokemon Heroes, but he sacrificed himself to became a Soul Dew
In the games,
the Champion in BW (Alder) had a Larvesta/Volcarona that died of illness when he was a young trainer and trained recklessly.
If they ever decide to do a "Champion League" arc in the anime, it'd probably be incredibly epic. Though it'd likely also be the final season too... :/
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Erm what,
Lucario
Also Raichu >>>>>>>>> Pikachu but yeah it doesn't get a lot of screentime so it didn't get "thinned".
WrenchNinja
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What would he need the Pokedex data for if he's already seen the Pokemon? Whenever it happens, how little it happens, it's just a more bad writing in a show full of it. Aim for the horn, thunder armor, sprinkler system, etc.
I don't know who you're talking about with regards to Johto, never watched the entirety of those three seasons. Flimsy excuse? You are Red. If you're calling him a bad trainer, you're calling yourself a bad trainer. He has the party he does because of the events of the games the player goes through, with regards to starters and gift Pokemon (RBGY). The player either did or didn't catch a lot of Pokemon, and I'm going to take a wild guess that they did. Red absolutely did take down Team Rocket, he took them so far down that they had to all retreat to another region for three years and their boss ran away and never returned. Gold taking down the remnants of them doesn't change what Red did.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Oh I agree the anime has bad writing, but I think the Pokedex is one of the lesser evils. League flukes, Iris, etc. are fare eviler imo
As for Red I was solely basing it on the Johto challenge since it's what people always bring out. Sorta like how "player" Red has a Mewtwo but Johto Red doesn't have one. As for TR, I thought they were more dangerous in Johto since their actions reached out more, like the Red Gyarados. At most they only killed a Marowak in Kanto.
As for Red I was solely basing it on the Johto challenge since it's what people always bring out. Sorta like how "player" Red has a Mewtwo but Johto Red doesn't have one. As for TR, I thought they were more dangerous in Johto since their actions reached out more, like the Red Gyarados. At most they only killed a Marowak in Kanto.
WrenchNinja
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Ohhhhh, you're talking about his appearance in Gold and Silver. Let me tell you, I did not have an easy time besting him in the originals or hgss, lol
When I fought him in HG, the match literally lasted over an hour. I remember my hands sweating afterwards and being surprised when I looked at the clock. Down to my last Pokemon, Gyarados, and it my last Dragon Rage. Intense stuff.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I dunno, even a well rounded team at 60's can beat his team. Hell his GSC is even better because he doesn't have a redundant type (Lapras).
WrenchNinja
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I am watching the Kanto festival episode for Adventures in Unova, and Ash uses the Pokedex on a Charmander.
:/
It's pretty cool how they reanimated the flashbacks though.
Edit: Holy shit Charizard is back
:/
It's pretty cool how they reanimated the flashbacks though.
Edit: Holy shit Charizard is back
really? on a charmander? >.>
WrenchNinja
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Charizard just kicked Dragonite's ass.
Okay about the Pokemon anime being garbage? I take it back. It has its moments.
And now Power Rangers is on. When did TV become so 90s again.
Okay about the Pokemon anime being garbage? I take it back. It has its moments.
And now Power Rangers is on. When did TV become so 90s again.