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Microsoft Confirms 53MHz GPU Speed Upgrade For Xbox One
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gundamkyoukai
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Well that is good for gamers and devs .
No, good news was when impartial GAF users were spreading rumours of a possible downclock possibly down to 600MHz.
I'd happily pay that today.
I agree, but even then they struggled quite a bit to explain how their whole idea worked. Compared to their strategy with the 360, this is a royal mess.
Next gen should start already so games can start coming out and they can put all this crap behind them.
well there was rumor that Microsoft was aiming for hardware that lasts 10 years. RROD probably has them paranoid but if that rumor is true they could push the speeds a fair bit and still maintain a standard 5-6 generation life span of heavy use.
31fps games.
Never claimed to be an expert. Ease back wih the nerd rage chumly.
All jokes aside. Some improvement is better than none regardless of how marginal.
Portugeezer
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Both consoles should be represented by PC GPU's which are more powerful. 7770 is closer but not an Xbox One. That said I do agree that comparing it to a 7790 is a bit much.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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And they probably were they just upgraded. This is some little thing nobody will be talking about soon enough.
boredandlazy
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Any increase to the baseline is a good thing. 
Then PS4 only has 39% computational advantage on paper.
Dunno how to feel about this if it's true. The improvement just feels so inconsequential to really be worth it. I mean, I doubt they'll have a notable increase in failure rate/console lifetime over it, but at the same time it feels like fairly meager gains to be risking even that slight amount.
Oh well, guess it could bring multiplats a bit closer between each system, even if just by a nudge, so that's something.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, inb4 100 pages of whining and bickering over number wars.
Oh well, guess it could bring multiplats a bit closer between each system, even if just by a nudge, so that's something.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, inb4 100 pages of whining and bickering over number wars.
BrokenEchelon
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MIcrosft hasn't really released any other information publicly about their GPU though right? Most of the stuff we know now is still either conjecture or based on information from other sources.
If it is, then it's kind of weird that it's about a spec bump. It could be a way to try and say they have more of something over the PS4 other than transistors, but it's overall moot.
Glad they are getting a spec up instead of down though. I wonder when the bump actually happened. Hopefully it isn't a gut reaction to the current spec of the PS4 and is based on the fact they came in way too low on their initial spec and knew they could easily upclock with no real impacts to yield or heat.
Also good news on the rebuild driver, though it shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone that they've rebuild their graphics driver for the system.
53 is such an odd number. At least it's prime.
If it is, then it's kind of weird that it's about a spec bump. It could be a way to try and say they have more of something over the PS4 other than transistors, but it's overall moot.
Glad they are getting a spec up instead of down though. I wonder when the bump actually happened. Hopefully it isn't a gut reaction to the current spec of the PS4 and is based on the fact they came in way too low on their initial spec and knew they could easily upclock with no real impacts to yield or heat.
Also good news on the rebuild driver, though it shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone that they've rebuild their graphics driver for the system.
53 is such an odd number. At least it's prime.
ChorusLindarr
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Nice that the XB1 is getting a clockspeed bump, even if its nothing really significant. At least 1.31 TFLOPS provides a nicer talking point than 1.228 TFLOPS.
I just hope MS isn't doing this out of desperation in order to try to make the multi-platform versions of games look better in comparison with the PS4. The issue with that is they could be pushing the chip beyond its safe operating limits, and we all know what happened previously with RROD on the 360.
MS cannot afford for the XB1 to have overheating issues so I sure hope they aren't doing this as a last ditch gamble to try to claw back some mindshare that will invariably be in Sony's camp once the games are out in the wild, and comparisons between platforms clear as day for all to see.
I just hope MS isn't doing this out of desperation in order to try to make the multi-platform versions of games look better in comparison with the PS4. The issue with that is they could be pushing the chip beyond its safe operating limits, and we all know what happened previously with RROD on the 360.
MS cannot afford for the XB1 to have overheating issues so I sure hope they aren't doing this as a last ditch gamble to try to claw back some mindshare that will invariably be in Sony's camp once the games are out in the wild, and comparisons between platforms clear as day for all to see.
qa_engineer
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I haven't looked at the links, but why would they need to do a formal announcement for a frequency increase? Those who were going to buy the console will do so regardless of the specs.
It will make no difference if you announce a minor bump in GPU frequency, all this will do is show the more savvy/tech minded consumer that you are playing catch up.
It will make no difference if you announce a minor bump in GPU frequency, all this will do is show the more savvy/tech minded consumer that you are playing catch up.
hydrophilic attack
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So,
Instead of being 33 % less capable, the XBO GPU is now 29 % less capable,
Instead of being 50 % more capable, the PS4 GPU is now 41 % more capable?
Instead of being 33 % less capable, the XBO GPU is now 29 % less capable,
Instead of being 50 % more capable, the PS4 GPU is now 41 % more capable?
It is.
CambriaRising
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It's too late to have the console's OS updated on day 1 to omit the drm, but not for this?
I must really not understand manufacturing or something.
I must really not understand manufacturing or something.
digoutyoursoul
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It may be unpowered compared to PS4 but I've been impressed by some of the visuals, Forza 5 especially, looks stunning imo
Kazuma Kiryu
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You know what the definition of a rumor is, right?
Also, there's a reason people only trust CBOAT on MS rumors, he's spot on almost every single time.
I know it just going be a firmware update via a patch it needed was doing a comment more inlined to the thread reactions.
It a negative for some people due to MS PR claiming they have no interest in graphics quickly bad pedalling again to do a upgrade.
I still think they really making shit up as go along since the DRM plan fell on its ass now they have no clue so just make it up as go along
Hey now.....Forza 5 will be 63fps now.
Speaking of, I wish we would get more info on that darn game.
Finally?
I hope they are. Let them eat the cost of returns if this results in another RROD situation, just as long as Xbone, PS4 and PC players have a higher baseline. ;-)
In the amount of time it took to type this you could have read the link and saved yourself the time.
Hey, the WiiU is running at 3.2GHz after a firmware update, I recently had to read. A 53 MHz jump is nothing compared to this.
Seeing as this is an integrated CPU/GPU, has the GPU bump come at the expense of a CPU down clock?
Sitting right next to the CPU, that extra 50mhz will produce more heat, and seeing as modern game engines are taking more and more off traditional CPU cycles, a drop in CPU speed may not even be noticeable to the performance.
The original Xbox got a 50Mhz down clock on the GPU, with a 100Mhz increase on the CPU if I remember correctly.
Sitting right next to the CPU, that extra 50mhz will produce more heat, and seeing as modern game engines are taking more and more off traditional CPU cycles, a drop in CPU speed may not even be noticeable to the performance.
The original Xbox got a 50Mhz down clock on the GPU, with a 100Mhz increase on the CPU if I remember correctly.
No, you have to change it. It's 1.32 now.
So...
PS4 is 39% more capable
XB1 is 28% less capable
The Omega Man
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ChorusLindarr
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Check your math again bro:
768 shaders x 2 FLOPS per cycle x 853 MHz = 1310208 FLOPS
Hence 1.31 TFLOPS
qa_engineer
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GrizzledGrump
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From what I just read, it doesn't sound like that at all. Some of you people have no clue how these type of projects work. Every large scale project under the sun has setbacks and surprises, some pleasant and some unpleasant. Often times there are alot of unknowns.
MS tried to compensate for some of these unknowns by investing a nice chunk of change in a water-cooled supercomputer to simulate the performance they wanted from silicon that wasn't even developed yet.
It sounds like they took the conservative approach with hardware development, yields looked better than they anticipated and they have enough of a thermal ceiling to bump the clock speed up a little. The GPU was underclocked to begin with to be on the safe side so it's not unusual if the yields are better than expected to bump up the clock in the updated drivers.
Powerwise? Most definitely. Feature wise? Not at all.
The PS4 is going to have at least 5GB of much faster RAM than the Xbox One has.
A slightly faster GPU is good news, but it's still significantly weaker than the GPU in the PS4.
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