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Microsoft Confirms 53MHz GPU Speed Upgrade For Xbox One

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Minions

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As long as they don't start red ringing because of it, there is no way this can been seen as a negative. They are at least trying to narrow the gap as much as possible. I hope it does not come to bite them in the ass.
 
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Bluemercury said:
Why would they announce a specifically very small upgrade to the gpu as news?
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come on now...Why is it so impossible to read the OP? It's an item, a part of a list, of new information discussed in a podcast. New information = news.

And with that said, if it was 53Mhz down, neogaf servers would not be able to handle the commotion.


benny_a said:
Downclock of the upclock rumor confirmed!
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Ah, there it came... A negative twist on something not..negative.. LOL, internet is funny..
 
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bGanci

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Nightengale said:
Did you read the word 'priced competitively?'

Also, showcase of games is never an apple-to-apple comparison.

Some people may like XB's exclusives and first-party more than Sony's, vice-versa.

Some people may appreciate MS moving over their previously 360-exclusives over to XB1 ( Ryse, DR3, Crimson Dragon), some may appreciate Sony still supporting PS3 with multiple AAA-releases this year, when Sony could've forced the devs to make them PS4 titles instead. (GoW:A, TLoU, GT6 )

Some people may like particular genres/franchises more than others.
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SMZC said:
It's a system focused on what a console is supposed to be about: Playing games. As such, it's priced extremely competitively.
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I asked what features the PS4 will have. And responded with above. I simple asked is he implying that the X1 wasn't with a comment that would prove otherwise in the case of his doubt of the X1 not being focused on gaming.
The more games comment was just in defense of Microsofts priorities with the X1. IMO the X1 is focused on gaming and innovation. I disagree with games being apples to apples.
 
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BruceLeeRoy said:
To all the insiders that have been telling me that it was getting a 200mhz bump and that I could take it to the bank.

53MHz are you fricken kidding me?
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Well if you add it to the downgrade you heard and posted about it's actually quite a substantial upgrade.
 
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wizzbang said:
Regardless they've focused extensively on both, I think they've learnt their lesson on this particular one.
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That is what I thought when they redesigned the 360 for the first time, but that still had heating issues.

In either case I will wait at least a year before I consider buying an Xbox One, if not just to see how it's failure rate plays out.
 
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Dragon said:
There are five million Vita owners in the world? That seems really high, even if you're extrapolating to sometime this fall.
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Sony sold 7 million portables last fiscal year alone. Even if we assume PSP was 3 million of those, that means they've sold at least 4 million PSVitas in one year. Maybe even 5 million.

They're forecasting to sell 5 million PSVita + PSPs this year. You're underselling how much Vitas are out there in the market.

In comparison, Nintendo's forecasting 18 million 3DS. :p
 
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wizzbang said:
I would say this role reversal is very similar to the 360 / PS3 situation. One is probably going to be significantly easier than the other.
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Should be interesting. On PS4 you have to choose which bus to use garlic vs onion by identifying cpu/latency specific tasks. For the one you have to choose which memory to use esram vs ddr3 by identifying bandwidth specific gpu tasks. Both sound non trivial to me but im no expert.
 
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RoboPlato

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I wonder if the CPU got a boost as well. It would also be a small change, 1.6 to 1.7GHz, but if they were trying to maintain frequencies that balanced out that would have to change too. I really wish we had some concrete info on the CPUs. Nothing except leaked frequencies and 8 core jaguar. I've been on a quest for real, 100% confirmed numbers to no avail.
 
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bGanci

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Nightengale said:
I purposely excluded Vita-cross play from my list because it's feature that requires an extra purchase. But to answer your question? At least 5 million, because the current crop of Vita owners are 99% almost certainly buying a PS4.

As for Gaikai, we don't know what the service will become in the long-term. We do know that playing games is perfect possible already, the 'service' itself was proven viable before Sony bought them.

They did say their vision is to eventually make Gaikai available at EVERY device from smartphone to tablets, but realistically that vision is at least 3-4 years away. I think it's far more likely that they'll establish a Netflix of games, exclusive to PS3/4/Vita first.
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These were actual questions I apologies I came off as a d bag.
 
lucius

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Montresor said:
Hey guys, Microsoft keeps improving their system with changes left and right. You know what this means? It's an embarrassment. It shows they have no confidence in their product. They have no backbone. Why are they bending over for the masses?

Or maybe it's good for all gamers?
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Obviously the PS4 caught them off guard in general look at all the backtracking and changes. I don't think in the long run it will be a bad thing for us and plan on getting it just after I buy a PS4. But I don't see how you can't be a little worried about about some of it, since just what the heck was their original vision and I am pretty sure most these changes would never have happened if gamers did not respond so well to PS4 over One.
 
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BruceLeeRoy said:
Yeah it sounded nuts to me but it was from multiple sources
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Makes me wonder if that downclock news that came out weeks ago was a downclock from 1GHz rather than from 800MHz. The fact that no one knew that they were targeting 1GHz probably made it an easy decision for MS to downclock it when the yields weren't as good as they expected.

Thats kind of disappointing if true... an Xbox One at 1GHz would be close enough to a PS4 that the difference wouldn't be perceptible outside of a DigitalFoundry comparison.
 
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onQ123

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So this added 81 GFLOPS to the XBOX One GPU?

I think this was more about increasing the Embedded Ram's bandwidth.
 
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Pwn

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Since both ps4 and xbone are based on the same architecture, Will ps4 also benefit from this ?

1.84 --> 1.95 ?
 
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bGanci

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SMZC said:
Not to me. If you like it, that's great, I'm sure the fact that it comes in with every console will result in games that make good use of it. But those of us who have no interest in the thing can't possibly justify dropping an extra $100 for a system that is less powerful.
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You have a point with the price difference but I don't believe the power difference is much of a issue or a selling point IMO. It's about games and I personally believe MS has more exciting games(for me). I just see so much emphasis on graphics with some people. I don't believe it will be a big difference. But then again I could very much be wrong. But it's unfortunate to see more discussion about the specs than games. Aren't we all here because we love games? These machines are going to be hella powerful. I just don't see the power difference to be a big selling point.
 
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BruceLeeRoy said:
To all the insiders that have been telling me that it was getting a 200mhz bump and that I could take it to the bank.

53MHz are you fricken kidding me?
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Maybe MS has just failed to mention that their previously unannounced clock speed was actually 653Mhz? Only when they could actually match the known PS4 GPU were they comfortable even discussing the clocks.
 
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Pwn said:
Since both ps4 and xbone are based on the same architecture, Will ps4 also benefit from this ?

1.84 --> 1.95 ?
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No-- the cooling on the PS4 is very different. That's a small box, with the PSU inside, not as much room for fans, and the yields on their chips are likely going to be different than the yields on the Xbox One stuff. Maybe Sony can do an upclock, but you can't say just because MS can do one that Sony can as well.
 
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wizzbang said:
No shit? I thought the ESRAM was faster than the GDDR5? That is impressive then, pretty much means there's virtually no chance of the Xbox One performing better in almost any situation (right?)

As for your second paragraph, the PS3 was fucking notoriously difficult to develop for, it was a nightmare, everyone knows this. The 360 might not be dead simple but it was much easier.
I would say this role reversal is very similar to the 360 / PS3 situation. One is probably going to be significantly easier than the other.
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Yes on your first point.

Agreed on PS3 vs 360, but think about the Xbone as a 360 as far as development complexity since the memory architecture is pretty similar. No one is doing anything exotic and crazy as the Cell this time around. The way I see it the PS4 will be slightly easier to develop for since it has a unified memory architecture, but it's not like developers don't know how to use ESRAM. Neither are comparable to optimizing code for the SPUs in the PS3.
 
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teiresias said:
Maybe MS has just failed to mention that their previously unannounced clock speed was actually 653Mhz? Only when they could actually match the known PS4 GPU were they comfortable even discussing the clocks.
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In the podcast they state we have been able to tweak the clock from 800 TO 853Mhz.
 
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bGanci said:
I asked what features the PS4 will have. And responded with above. I simple asked is he implying that the X1 wasn't with a comment that would prove otherwise in the case of his doubt of the X1 not being focused on gaming.
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He didn't give a good answer. Whatever, I've already answered on his behalf.


bGanci said:
The more games comment was just in defense of Microsofts priorities with the X1. IMO the X1 is focused on gaming and innovation. I disagree with games being apples to apples.
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion, which I also agree 'at the moment'.

I personally just dislike making comparisons of 'games announced' between competitors, because we never know how much they've kept hidden for other unveiling events.

All we can use as a benchmark is the '15 from MS Studios' and '20 from Sony WWS', and even that is not an accurate gauge because it excludes 3rd-party exclusives. ( like Titanfall )

I always felt waiting until TGS's annoucement is the best time to finally compare both console's announcements properly. Especially since half of MS's early announcements have shown no actual gameplay, which will likely be shown more in Gamescom/TGS. ( I hate CGi trailer announcements. )
 
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infinityBCRT said:
No-- the cooling on the PS4 is very different. That's a small box, with the PSU inside, not as much room for fans, and the yields on their chips are likely going to be different than the yields on the Xbox One stuff. Maybe Sony can do an upclock, but you can't say just because MS can do one that Sony can as well.
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Or you know, they built it like they built a psp. With an upclock in mind.

Many insiders have said in the last month that an upclock for the Xbox One and PS4 later on in the generation may happen, and they might do it to give it a graphical bump. Sony has already set precedent of this with the PSP.
 
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teiresias

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Pug said:
In the podcast they state we have been able to tweak the clock from 800 TO 853Mhz.
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That doesn't discount the fact that at some point in the past they weren't even making it to 800 and obviously didn't want to talk about it.

To be clear, I'm joking with this whole thought experiment, Haha.
 
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spwolf

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infinityBCRT said:
No-- the cooling on the PS4 is very different. That's a small box, with the PSU inside, not as much room for fans, and the yields on their chips are likely going to be different than the yields on the Xbox One stuff. Maybe Sony can do an upclock, but you can't say just because MS can do one that Sony can as well.
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uh, i wouldnt be so sure that XB1 is going to be cooled more effectively than PS4.
 
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bGanci

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Nightengale said:
He didn't give a good answer. Whatever, I've already answered on his behalf.




Well, you're entitled to your opinion, which I also agree 'at the moment'.

I personally just dislike making comparisons of 'games announced' between competitors, because we never know how much they've kept hidden for other unveiling events.

All we can use as a benchmark is the '15 from MS Studios' and '20 from Sony WWS', and even that is not an accurate gauge because it excludes 3rd-party exclusives. ( like Titanfall )

I always felt waiting until TGS's annoucement is the best time to finally compare both console's announcements properly. Especially since half of MS's early announcements have shown no actual gameplay, which will likely be shown more in Gamescom/TGS. ( I hate CGi trailer announcements. )
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Noooooo I agree with games being apples to apples!!!!dam I hate the iPhone for typing!!!
It's all preference on what you like and what your preferred franchises are.
 
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Has CBOAT ever given us any positive information regarding Microsoft and the Xbox? Genuinely curious because when he mentioned the yield problems a couple months ago it was more than likely due to microsoft trying to upclock the GPU yet he never mentioned the upclock, at least that i'm aware of.
 
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