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RUMOR: Playstation 4 to launch October 21st

casmith07

Member
Again, plenty of time to pre-order a launch system. This scenario you made up is the retailers fault for taking more pre-orders than guaranteed. Also, is this kid entitled to a launch system? What kid can save up $399 without having access to an online retailer where launch day systems were plentiful to pre-order? Is this kid stupid? Why should I give a fuck about this theoretical kid?

I'm going to have to agree here. It's capitalism. Nobody's entitled to anything.
 

slade

Member
Again, plenty of time to pre-order a launch system. This scenario you made up is the retailers fault for taking more pre-orders than guaranteed. Also, is this kid entitled to a launch system? What kid can save up $399 without having access to an online retailer where launch day systems were plentiful to pre-order? Is this kid stupid? Why should I give a fuck about this theoretical kid?

Online isn't always an option for minors who don't have credit cards or parents who are willing to use theirs. If you are scalping, I hope you don't make a single cent off the damn thing.
 
If Sony do launch on the 21st with only 3 games (all first party) it would certainly help them really push Killzone as a big AAA shooter franchise.

It's also a nice way to stagger the games from launch up to Christmas. Stuff like BF4 and AC4 comes out a week later, then COD and Need for Speed / Fifa / Watch Dogs through November.

A nice, steady selection rather than a mass of games all dropping day 1.
 

Mung

Member
I'm going to have to agree here. It's capitalism. Nobody's entitled to anything.

Except those ultimate capitalists bankers who get bailed out straight away. Presumably you don't agree with that either. Just saying that pure capitalism is not how the world operates.

Edit: Sorry for continuing the thread derailment. PS4 in Oct would be hot!
 

Recon

Banned
Because he gets an allowance and his parents don't let him pre order till theres a release date, maybe you should give a crap about this kid because your a human being, maybe his parents say if he is financially responsible enough to save $200 they'll match it.

About retailers taking more pre orders than guaranteed, i suggest you go to a retailer right now and i'm sure in 90% of launch countries they are all taking pre orders still and already know they won't be able to fulfill them.

I hope you drop your pre order on the way home and it smashes into a thousand pieces, so your out $399, you deserve it after that post.

Wow dude. Wow.

Online isn't always an option for minors who don't have credit cards or parents who are willing to use theirs. If you are scalping, I hope you don't make a single cent off the damn thing.

So because i dont believe a made up kid is entitled to a launch system I deserve to have my pre order break on the way home?Lol okay,sure.
 

Skeff

Member
So because i dont believe a made up kid is entitled to a launch system I deserve to have my pre order break on the way home?Lol okay,sure.

To be honest, I was under the impression you'd be selling it anyway.

If it's not for scalping, then i take back what i said.
 
If Sony do launch on the 21st with only 3 games (all first party) it would certainly help them really push Killzone as a big AAA shooter franchise.

It's also a nice way to stagger the games from launch up to Christmas. Stuff like BF4 and AC4 comes out a week later, then COD and Need for Speed / Fifa / Watch Dogs through November.

A nice, steady selection rather than a mass of games all dropping day 1.

there should be a lot of PSN titles too from indies to Planetside 2 etc. on launch day.
 

Brimstone

my reputation is Shadowruined
Speculating/scalping is just a part of life. Hotels increase their prices for special events/busy season. It isn't worth getting annoyed by it.
 

kvothe

Member
So because i dont believe a made up kid is entitled to a launch system I deserve to have my pre order break on the way home?Lol okay,sure.

You constantly saying "a made up kid" is really charming. It's almost as if you don't understand the concept of theoretical scenarios. Skeff wasn't asking what you'd do to a "made up kid" in that scenario, he was asking what you'd do to a real kid. And if you're so childish that you can't stop saying "but but butttttt there is no real kid in that scenario!" First off, you're entirely missing the point of a theoretical scenario; secondly, you have no clue whether there aren't actually any kids in that exact dilemma or not; and third, you really need to work on the way you approach arguments.
 

Covfan

Member
Why would that be? If 21st is correct for PS4 then Fifa is the only 3rd party title thats coming out before PS4, so it makes more sense as launch title than BF4/AC4/COD/NFS etc.

There's been little to no information on the Next Gen FIFA, I'd have expected at least a trailer for it.
 

Recon

Banned
You constantly saying "a made up kid" is really charming. It's almost as if you don't understand the concept of theoretical scenarios. Skeff wasn't asking what you'd do to a "made up kid" in that scenario, he was asking what you'd do to a real kid. And if you're so childish that you can't stop saying "but but butttttt there is no real kid in that scenario!" First off, you're entirely missing the point of a theoretical scenario; secondly, you have no clue whether there aren't actually any kids in that exact dilemma or not; and third, you really need to work on the way you approach arguments.

Lol, I can make up fake scenarios too. It is cute that you think that they are in any way useful to prove a point. But go on, tell me more.

Speculating/scalping is just a part of life. Hotels increase their prices for special events/busy season. It isn't worth getting annoyed by it.

Also, this.
 

Skeff

Member
Lol, I can make up fake scenarios too. It is cute that you think that they are in any way useful to prove a point. But go on, tell me more.



Also, this.

So, you complain about me saying i hope scalpers drop their PS4's and then say scalping is fine because it's part of life?

Counter point, dropping things is part of life.
 

Recon

Banned
So, you complain about me saying i hope scalpers drop their PS4's and then say scalping is fine because it's part of life?

Counter point, dropping things is part of life.

Not so much complaining , just pointing out how insane that comment was. But by all means, get pissed off at people doing things that don't hurt you or anyone else, it is humorous. But if my console does break arriving to me, I'm sure amazon will refund me or send another. Those clumsy UPS guys, always dropping things ;)
 

harrytang

Member
scalping a part of the game. you dont want a scalper to make money? dont fucking buy from them.

Me? If i fucked up on that PS4 pre-order and delayed, and now my kid wants one for his birthday, but they're out of stock everywhere except for the one guy selling it for 100 dollars more on ebay then you're damn right im buying it and I'm more than happy to do so. and screw grammar, i dont know how comas work.
 
I have my pre-order at Amazon but wish I could put money on it every month because paying the lump sum in one day late OCT might not work for me

anyway to put money into your amazon?
 

Takiyah

Member
There's been little to no information on the Next Gen FIFA, I'd have expected at least a trailer for it.

No need to. Fifa will sell 10 millions copies no matter what. It could have a duck inside of the cartridge and it'd still sell 10 million.
 

Recon

Banned
I have my pre-order at Amazon but wish I could put money on it every month because paying the lump sum in one day late OCT might not work for me

anyway to put money into your amazon?

Why don't you buy enough amazon credit and just let it chill in your account until the ps4 ships? Just keep buying gift cards until you have enough.
 
scalping a part of the game. you dont want a scalper to make money? dont fucking buy from them.

Me? If i fucked up on that PS4 pre-order and delayed, and now my kid wants one for his birthday, but they're out of stock everywhere except for the one guy selling it for 100 dollars more on ebay then you're damn right im buying it and I'm more than happy to do so. and screw grammar, i dont know how comas work.

if us preorder from walmart.com while they have the $399 still available.
 

merrick97

Banned
One thing about me is I will NEVER give scalpers the satisfaction of ripping me off.

If I was in a situation where I wanted something but for whatever reason I couldn't get it on launch day. No way would I ever pay the inflated price.

If its for my kid Ill tell them the truth and say that's part of life, we will get one when we can.

Too many parents this day and age WONT do that.
 

Skeff

Member
Not so much complaining , just pointing out how insane that comment was. But by all means, get pissed off at people doing things that don't hurt you or anyone else, it is humorous. But if my console does break arriving to me, I'm sure amazon will refund me or send another. Those clumsy UPS guys, always dropping things ;)

lol, there's only one person who seems to be getting pissed in this conversation.

Again, plenty of time to pre-order a launch system. This scenario you made up is the retailers fault for taking more pre-orders than guaranteed. Also, is this kid entitled to a launch system? What kid can save up $399 without having access to an online retailer where launch day systems were plentiful to pre-order? Is this kid stupid? Why should I give a fuck about this theoretical kid?

Looking kind of angry there :)
 

merrick97

Banned
I will say this though in defense of the scalpers:

My money situation is very tight and my PS4 and 3 games was paid for ENTIRELY with trade ins so if Xmas comes around and the going price for the PS4 on ebay is sky high, I may end up selling mine.

If that happened I would be more than willing to wait for some cash to free up.
 

Recon

Banned
I will say this though in defense of the scalpers:

My money situation is very tight and my PS4 and 3 games was paid for ENTIRELY with trade ins so if Xmas comes around and the going price for the PS4 on ebay is sky high, I may end up selling mine.

If that happened I would be more than willing to wait for some cash to free up.

Lol this is too good.

I'm sure the scalpers are hurting after the Wii U launch.

That's what they get for trying to scalp a system no one wanted even at MSRP.
 
Scalpers really aren't even who you have to worry about if you're trying to buy a console around launch from an auction site. It's the people that try to get you for not reading carefully

Bidding started at $9.99 for the item, described as a "PlayStation 2 Original Box And Receipt", on December 27. Over the three day online auction the gaming collectables, item number 1204183251, received 39 bids. They were eventually snapped up by "arturofuente 13" for the bargain price of $425.

Tucked away in the comments on the Seller's Feedback Profile she has written "Complaint: Buyer Beware!!! Misleading information about item. Paid $425 for an empty box!"

To which the seller responded: "I sent what was promised in the auction. I do not rip people off. She's a liar."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/02/02/empty_playstation_box_sold/
 

Rashid

Banned
Just wanted to say that I was playing with a mutual friend on Black Ops 2 and he said that he resolutely not buying a PS4 because it only has 8GB of memory and he'd have to buy a hard drive. Giggles were had, and I, as a responsible GAFfer informed him.
 

Midou

Member
Again, its not even that. There is nothing immoral about it. There is nothing illegal about it. Anyone wanting to pre-order a ps4 had plenty of time to do it. Hell, on amazon you dont even have to put any money down.

Nothing illegal, but immorality is certainly more in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure more people see it as immoral than those who see it as perfectly normal. I don't really care, but I can't say I see it as morally neutral.

I mean if PS4 got super stock and people who ordered multiple got kind of screwed and they were barely over retail on ebay and such, most people would laugh and see it as justice.
 

merrick97

Banned
Oh, so because I sell 1 of the 2 ps4's I have to pay for the one I'm keeping its horrible? But if I only had 1 and sold it for profit, it is okay? That's where you draw the line? Lol.
all I have said is that when I get my system is that IF prices on eBay are going for sky high ($1000+) I'd be tempted. Not saying I'd do it. I'm just saying I'd be tempted.

The differences is that I am buying mine with the intention to keep NOT to sell.

That is a difference whether you like it or not.
 

merrick97

Banned
Nothing illegal, but immorality is certainly more in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure more people see it as immoral than those who see it as perfectly normal. I don't really care, but I can't say I see it as morally neutral.

I mean if PS4 got super stock and people who ordered multiple got kind of screwed and they were barely over retail on ebay and such, most people would laugh and see it as justice.
Personally I wish retailers would limit it such that if you buy more than 2 systems you can't return anything more than 2. Anything beyond 2 would have to be handled through Sony.

Of course there are ways to get around it.
 

chadskin

Member
According to GameReactor, the Xbox One will launch not until beginning of 2014, possibly March. It's unknown if the 2014 release is just for Europe or all other territories as well.

Gamereactor said:
According to the source, Microsoft's console will now ship in Q1 2014. Given that a launch in January is highly unlikely and February is an equally unattractive launch month, this could mean we may have to wait as long as March until Microsoft's next-gen offering arrives. We have no further information on what the cause of the delay is, whether there are issues with manufacturing or whether Microsoft are making last minute alterations. At this point we are not certain if this is a worldwide delay or whether it's limited to Europe.

Source

Can someone make a thread out of this, please?
 
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