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jond76

Banned
No, never.

If Jack Tretton posted here he would get stuff wrong because things change (even if he was the one changing them).

I've been right a lot more than I've been wrong but each time I've been wrong there's a fairly unique reason. The most common thing is that shit changes. If I said the ps4 had 4gb of ram in January... when February happened everyone would say I was wrong when in reality there was 4gb of ram in January, they changed it in the week leading up to the event. I know first party developer who learned about it at the same time I did.


The ms third party thing was a rumor that solid sources believed. They believed it to be true, so I did as well, turns out we all were wrong.



I also said that mirrors edge 2 was a xbox one exclusive... and that's because I made a jump in logic i shouldn't have. I knew that EA had some exclusives with Microsoft and once me2 showed up at amazon's around the world I knew it wasn't on any ps4 release lists so i felt comfortable saying it was xbox 1 only. Turns out it just wasn't on the list I saw. Total fuck up on my part.



Cboat seems to me to actually work somewhere with access to this stuff so he gets some really deep and good info... but even so he is going to be wrong from time to time and it may or may not be his fault. It's tricky.

Thanks for the reply. And that is why I take all insider's info as: "Oh, that'll be cool if that happens", instead of "OMG, confirmed!" I think that's a reasonable stance.
 
When did you post this?


About a month ago. And yeah, I probably shouldn't even say gdc. It's going to be early next year... so that's just me making a jump in logic again. And who knows, maybe it gets canceled or maybe they show it somewhere else or maybe the guy who told me about it is pulling my leg.

Leakin' ain't easy.
 

jbug617

Banned
About a month ago. And yeah, I probably shouldn't even say gdc. It's going to be early next year... so that's just me making a jump in logic again. And who knows, maybe it gets canceled or maybe they show it somewhere else or maybe the guy who told me about it is pulling my leg.

Leakin' ain't easy.

Are you talking about that Sony announcement you teased for Gamescom? Also do you know what happened to League of Legends and Hawken?
 

Maxxan

Member
Also, on that tip... the out of nowhere exciting announcement i teased at for gamescom is evidently not happening until gdc now. So i really suck for even hinting at that.

There is actually a GDC taking place in Cologne next week. Coincidence? I think not!
I assume you mean the one in November?
 

beast786

Member
About a month ago. And yeah, I probably shouldn't even say gdc. It's going to be early next year... so that's just me making a jump in logic again. And who knows, maybe it gets canceled or maybe they show it somewhere else or maybe the guy who told me about it is pulling my leg.

Leakin' ain't easy.

I don't get how you tell us some news but not other. this teasing is horrible
 

Peeete

Member
About a month ago. And yeah, I probably shouldn't even say gdc. It's going to be early next year... so that's just me making a jump in logic again. And who knows, maybe it gets canceled or maybe they show it somewhere else or maybe the guy who told me about it is pulling my leg.

Leakin' ain't easy.

I hope this is not related to your oculus rift hint?
 
Also, on that tip... the out of nowhere exciting announcement i teased at for gamescom is evidently not happening until gdc now. So i really suck for even hinting at that.

I would like to read this as a sign of confidence that Sony has enough meat in their announcement line-ups for Gamescom/TGS/VGAs that they don't have to resort to pre-mature announcements. ( like Bioshock Vita or Getaway)

... I hope.
 

Skeff

Member
I would like to read this as a sign of confidence that Sony has enough meat in their announcement line-ups for Gamescom/TGS/VGAs that they don't have to resort to pre-mature announcements.

... I hope.

I'd like to think this too, alternatively, if it's not a game announcement and something else entirely sony may decide to run with the TV info that spilled earlier today, if they appeal to the same market.
 
Are you talking about that Sony announcement you teased for Gamescom? Also do you know what happened to League of Legends and Hawken?



Yes and I have no idea. I still have no idea if the info I got about those games was bad or if they are waiting to announce. I haven't heard a peep about them all summer.


In fact the rumor mill has been pretty quiet since e3. No one seems to know anything. I know multiple people at Sony and I have no clue what's going to be at gamescom (and neither do they... or they don't want me to know which makes sense since I post too much).

Even talking to others here that get info their sources seem to have dried up also. It's kinda cool for me personally because gamescom will be fun. I knew (and had leaked) the entire February reveal lineup minus deep down... So other than 8gbgddr it wasn't exciting. I'm hoping that gdc is legitimately exciting for Sony and Microsoft.


Anyway I'm derailing cboat's thread which is lame because he really is the best. I'm open to well mannered PMs though. Most of the time.
 

B.O.O.M

Member
About a month ago. And yeah, I probably shouldn't even say gdc. It's going to be early next year... so that's just me making a jump in logic again. And who knows, maybe it gets canceled or maybe they show it somewhere else or maybe the guy who told me about it is pulling my leg.

Leakin' ain't easy.

say something to excite me regarding vita dang it!

:( No one else is ..lol
 
I would like to read this as a sign of confidence that Sony has enough meat in their announcement line-ups for Gamescom/TGS/VGAs that they don't have to resort to pre-mature announcements. ( like Bioshock Vita or Getaway)

... I hope.


I know I said the last post was gonna be my last derail... but yes, that's how it was described to me. They are very confident in what they are showing and launching with and don't want to muddy that up with far off announcements.


Also person asking about the vita... I don't know anyone working on vita stuff anymore so I'm pretty out of the loop. I'm hopeful but i should be used to having my hopes dashed by Sony when it comes to the vita and conference showings. There will be a price drop though.
 

beast786

Member
Yes and I have no idea. I still have no idea if the info I got about those games was bad or if they are waiting to announce. I haven't heard a peep about them all summer.


In fact the rumor mill has been pretty quiet since e3. No one seems to know anything. I know multiple people at Sony and I have no clue what's going to be at gamescom (and neither do they... or they don't want me to know which makes sense since I post too much).

Even talking to others here that get info their sources seem to have dried up also. It's kinda cool for me personally because gamescom will be fun. I knew (and had leaked) the entire February reveal lineup minus deep down... So other than 8gbgddr it wasn't exciting. I'm hoping that gdc is legitimately exciting for Sony and Microsoft.


Anyway I'm derailing cboat's thread which is lame because he really is the best. I'm open to well mannered PMs though. Most of the time.

You are great on your own merit. Thanks for inside tips. But a man can take enough of teasing ;p
 

Skeff

Member
I know I said the last post was gonna be my last derail... but yes, that's how it was described to me. They are very confident in what they are showing and launching with and don't want to muddy that up with far off announcements.


Also person asking about the vita... I don't know anyone working on vita stuff anymore so I'm pretty out of the loop. I'm hopeful but i should be used to having my hopes dashed by Sony when it comes to the vita and conference showings. There will be a price drop though.

Boom!
 

jbug617

Banned
Yes and I have no idea. I still have no idea if the info I got about those games was bad or if they are waiting to announce. I haven't heard a peep about them all summer.


In fact the rumor mill has been pretty quiet since e3. No one seems to know anything. I know multiple people at Sony and I have no clue what's going to be at gamescom (and neither do they... or they don't want me to know which makes sense since I post too much).

Even talking to others here that get info their sources seem to have dried up also. It's kinda cool for me personally because gamescom will be fun. I knew (and had leaked) the entire February reveal lineup minus deep down... So other than 8gbgddr it wasn't exciting. I'm hoping that gdc is legitimately exciting for Sony and Microsoft.


Anyway I'm derailing cboat's thread which is lame because he really is the best. I'm open to well mannered PMs though. Most of the time.

Thanks for the info. Seems like with Microsoft nobody knows what is going to happen next with them.
 
I hope this is not related to your oculus rift hint?


I made an occulus rift hint? I don't know jack about that other than what everyone else knows that Yoshida seems to like the tech.



As for the teasing... it's really not to be masochistic or trolling or even 'ha ha I know something you don't' It's usually one of two things...

1. I'm really excited about something and i really, really, really want to talk about it but I can't. My talking about it will get people in trouble. It can fuck with a company if it's too early. It can change and then the people who don't understand that things change freak out on me. Also sometimes it's just better to find out when it's announced. I believe cboat once got in trouble for basically "ruining" an entire e3. But please believe me I'm not trying to be mean, I'm usually just excited and shouldn't be saying anything at all but can't help myself. I'm a zealous fan like a lot of you and it's hard to hold back. But jobs are at stake.


2. Someone is arguing something as fact when i know for a fact that they are wrong... oh man it's so maddening. It's like i have the info to just end the conversation factually but i cant do it. So i say like half a statement that is just pointless to most people and does nothing for anyone.


Basically I'm just a crappy poster. But not on purpose.
 

SnakeEyes

Banned
1. I'm really excited about something and i really, really, really want to talk about it but I can't. My talking about it will get people in trouble. It can fuck with a company if it's too early. It can change and then the people who don't understand that things change freak out on me. Also sometimes it's just better to find out when it's announced. I believe cboat once got in trouble for basically "ruining" an entire e3. But please believe me I'm not trying to be mean, I'm usually just excited and shouldn't be saying anything at all but can't help myself. I'm a zealous fan like a lot of you and it's hard to hold back. But jobs are at stake.


2. Someone is arguing something as fact when i know for a fact that they are wrong... oh man it's so maddening. It's like i have the info to just end the conversation factually but i cant do it. So i say like half a statement that is just pointless to most people and does nothing for anyone.


Basically I'm just a crappy poster. But not on purpose.
We know, and we appreciate whatever info you do release (just like CBOAT).
We were just making fun, is all :)
 

B.O.O.M

Member
I know I said the last post was gonna be my last derail... but yes, that's how it was described to me. They are very confident in what they are showing and launching with and don't want to muddy that up with far off announcements.


Also person asking about the vita... I don't know anyone working on vita stuff anymore so I'm pretty out of the loop. I'm hopeful but i should be used to having my hopes dashed by Sony when it comes to the vita and conference showings. There will be a price drop though.

Hope they have some solid announcements to go with the price cut..won't mean much otherwise. Thanks for the info man appreciate it :)
 

Rat Salad

Banned
I dont pledge my allegiance to any console, but damn these ppl in Microsoft's enthusiasts didnt believe the drm talk. Didn't believe always on Kinect. Then once its true yall defend it. They pull a 180 on everything u SUPPOSEDLY love about the system & u defend that too. Now u question the validity of the Microsoft Moses CBOAT, cause 5% of his prophecies miss... unbelievable

You for real?!
Sounds more like some people just wanted so badly to believe this rumor that Microsoft were buying off people to stay quiet about PS4 versions coming. Just for the sake of more hating on the company. Next time these people shouldn't be so quick to run with somethng that fits their argenda and instead learn to judge a rumor with some common sense,instead of rampant petbull like dogpilling. What I don't get is your statement though. Instead you wanna flip it to another goal posting backpeddle. "Microsoft fans are really quick to defend anything" horse shit. LOL. Quite rich.
 
All this talk of rumors and insiders...

I just hope that my vague memory of either verendus or famousmortimer saying a Souls game for ps4 would be at TGS wasn't made up by my own mind.

I believe they've both claimed Sony is working with From Software on a new title, but I can't remember where I got the impression it'd be at TGS. And all these leaks, rumors, etc. have been spread across so many posts between so many threads, it's hard to keep track of who said what. @_@

It's easier with cboat, since his post history consists solely of his leaks.
 

B.O.O.M

Member
All this talk of rumors and insiders...

I just hope that my vague memory of either verendus or famousmortimer saying a Souls game for ps4 would be at TGS wasn't made up by my own mind.

I believe they've both claimed Sony is working with From Software on a new title, but I can't remember where I got the impression it'd be at TGS. And all these leaks, rumors, etc. have been spread across so many posts between so many threads, it's hard to keep track of who said what. @_@

It's easier with cboat, since his post history consists solely of his leaks.

Dunno about famousmortimer but Verendus did mention Demon's Souls 2. Can't remember if he mentioned anything about when it would show up tho
 

Peeete

Member
I made an occulus rift hint? I don't know jack about that other than what everyone else knows that Yoshida seems to like the tech.

Yea you posted that 'gamescom is going to be exciting' in the thread if Sony should support oculus rift or go with their own thing. I guess some people including me mistook that as a hint :(
 
Leakin' ain't easy.

Tell Maury Ballstein about it!

"Yeah, I capisce. Now if I can only ca-pis"

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You for real?!
Sounds more like some people just wanted so badly to believe this rumor that Microsoft were buying off people to stay quiet about PS4 versions coming. Just for the sake of more hating on the company. Next time these people shouldn't be so quick to run with somethng that fits their argenda and instead learn to judge a rumor with some common sense,instead of rampant petbull like dogpilling. What I don't get is your statement though. Instead you wanna flip it to another goal posting backpeddle. "Microsoft fans are really quick to defend anything" horse shit. LOL. Quite rich.


1st off i never said ANYTHING bout that E3 rumor. I cared nothing bout the rumor cause it didn't affect me as a GAMER. IIrc the only ppl mad about it then were ppl with an affinity to the Xbox.

2. How is it horse shit? There have been ppl that defend EVERY Microsoft move just like there r ppl that go to war over the wiiu & were defending $599 US dollars. Never did i say all. I said the enthusiasts, so u must b 1 since u thought I was talkin to u.

3. Where was the back peddle? Cause I joked about CBOAT being Microsoft Moses? That was to remind ppl this shit aint that serious.

So here u r, still talkin about 1 wrong e3 rumor that affects your gaming how? If It came true would it have changed ANYTHING? NO! so in fact u proving my point about enthusiasts defending Microsoft at any perceived slight.
 

Coiote

Member
Man, now I am curious to know what famousmortimer was talking about when he mentioned the ip he leaked previously won't make an appearance at gamescom. Does anyone have a clue of what was the ip or can link the post?

Damn curiosity...
 
I dont pledge my allegiance to any console, but damn these ppl in Microsoft's enthusiasts didnt believe the drm talk. Didn't believe always on Kinect. Then once its true yall defend it. They pull a 180 on everything u SUPPOSEDLY love about the system & u defend that too. Now u question the validity of the Microsoft Moses CBOAT, cause 5% of his prophecies miss... unbelievable

But...the system doesn't have crazy DRM or always on Kinect.

Now we all need...One.

/Horatio Caine

Awwww, yeah.
 
People were getting banned for posting pastebins too. There was a reason for that.

I don't think my stance is unreasonable. Its not like I'm calling CBoat a worthless troll, the fact that he still posts is proof that he's not. I just maintain a small healthy dose of skepticism.

LOL

Just curious...do you believe smoking causes people to die?

Because according to statistics, around 50% of heavy smokers (25+ a day) will live a normal lifespan and will not die of any so-called "smoking related" disease.

Do you have the same "healthy dose of skepticism" (lol) about the dangers of smoking because 50% of the time the predicted result doesn't happen?

CBOAT on the other hand is right something like 95% of the time.
 
LOL

Just curious...do you believe smoking causes people to die?

Because according to statistics, around 50% of heavy smokers (25+ a day) will live a normal lifespan and will not die of any so-called "smoking related" disease.

Do you have the same "healthy dose of skepticism" (lol) about the dangers of smoking because 50% of the time the predicted result doesn't happen?

CBOAT on the other hand is right something like 95% of the time.

wow...
 
LOL

Just curious...do you believe smoking causes people to die?

Because according to statistics, around 50% of heavy smokers (25+ a day) will live a normal lifespan and will not die of any so-called "smoking related" disease.

Do you have the same "healthy dose of skepticism" (lol) about the dangers of smoking because 50% of the time the predicted result doesn't happen?

CBOAT on the other hand is right something like 95% of the time.

Define normal.
 

Perkel

Banned
Jeez yall take this too personally. Sorry.

The X1 version of Mirrors Edge 2 was outted on Amazon before his prediction, so it made sense for him to say it would be at MS's brief. That would be an example of speculation.

I just take a wait-&-see approach with him. Is that so wrong?


To doubt someone you either need:

1. Reason
2. You don't know him

CBOAT leaks stuff for 8 years and he is 99% right every time.


It is only logical to assume his word ir truthfact
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Well, look at it this way:

PS Plus was a service where the money paid into it by subscribers was used to pay publishers and independent developers for providing content to the service. The fact that they managed to get so much stuff on the service is all the proof we need that it was a good deal for Sony and publishers both. Now what do you think will happen when they put online behind the paywall?

They will get a lot more subscribers than before, and because of the epic failure that is the XBO they will not only be able to get the PS3 owners that weren't quite convinced of the value of the service before, but lots of former Xbox fans as well, and we all know that they are willing to put up with online fees. So, Sony will get more subscribers and consequently more money to give to publishers for content for PS Plus. Do you think this would lead to a situation where they would be able to put more content on the service or less content? Also, how do you think the fact that, contrary to the PS3, all games on the PS4 will be available digitally will affect their ability to offer digital content with PS Plus? Obviously, there is no back catalogue on the PS4 yet, so it will take some time for it to get going, but two years from now, I would be very surprised if the service is not at least as good as it is now on PS3.

It still sucks that we need to pay to play online though :/



The billion dollar used games market spreads awareness of game franchises to potential customers, puts more money into the hands of the people that buy games day one, and makes gamers more willing to take risks on unknown entities. Furthermore, I am willing to bet that ten-person game sharing would impact the sales of new games much more than the used games market.


More subscribers yes. More money to publishers - maybe.

Bear in mind that right now, the primary reason to get PS+ is for the free games. With PS4 that is muddied by the requirement for online play.

You'll almost certainly have more subscribers, but many of those may not download all the games, so the percentage of downloaders is likely to drop. Assuming any fees to publishers are based on how many downloads they get, Sony is likely to get a little more from those new subscribers (which seems fair enough if they have to cover the costs of online). Publishers will get more money in an absolute sense, but relatively less per subscriber I think.
 

Perkel

Banned
More subscribers yes. More money to publishers - maybe.

Bear in mind that right now, the primary reason to get PS+ is for the free games. With PS4 that is muddied by the requirement for online play.

You'll almost certainly have more subscribers, but many of those may not download all the games, so the percentage of downloaders is likely to drop. Assuming any fees to publishers are based on how many downloads they get, Sony is likely to get a little more from those new subscribers (which seems fair enough if they have to cover the costs of online). Publishers will get more money in an absolute sense, but relatively less per subscriber I think.

Frankly there is much more to PSN than simple cash for publishers

Do you think Borderlands 1 before Borderlands 2 release was random ?
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Also person asking about the vita... I don't know anyone working on vita stuff anymore so I'm pretty out of the loop. I'm hopeful but i should be used to having my hopes dashed by Sony when it comes to the vita and conference showings. There will be a price drop though.

It hurts to read that Sony's best friend does not know anyone working on Vita titles anymore :(. I know I'm asking you for further derailment, but I have a memory from around E3, that you said some big project(s) from third parties for Vita were still to be announced / could be announced soon. Am I misremembering this or is there still hope for Gamescom regarding Vita?
 

stryke

Member
So can somebody tell me that has it been proven correct or wrong after 142 pages?

How can it be definitively proven when this is not information MS needs to make public? That said, missing their target of 21 countries is proof enough imo.
 

QaaQer

Member
It has nothing to do with nicer, it is about a company whose strategy is to make money by offering value

This x1000.

Personification of corporations should be bannable. j/k

MS management is quite voracious in appetite for profits. This is typical of people who manage a company with a dominant and reliable stream of money and profit. Enough is never enough, and they try to squeeze their customers. You see it all the time. Intel, GM, old Sony, etc, etc.

Managers of companies that aren't in that privileged position are much more likely to offer better value to customers because they have to. They cannot rely on market domination, brand name, customer loyalty etc. They actually have to give their customers a better value for their dollar.

The only way we, as console gamers, get good consoles is if there is competition in the market. That is, in part, why I root for the underdog all the time.
 
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