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[J-Rod]

I guess it sucks for existing games that will be impacted, but it sure is nice knowing no future games will use it (Dark Souls II).

 

[Symphonic]

By them you mean Rockstar right? It's their responsibility.

Yes. Rockstar doesn't have the greatest record with supporting GTAIV on PC, that's why I worry.

 

[patchday]

well that will kill off Dark Souls PC. hopefully folks can still play it single player

 

[CosmicQueso]

It will all be okay people. You're not going to lose access to your games.

Should have said amazon does a decent job with prices/sales. That's what people are worried about, right? Because Steam has no shortage of peripheral features.

I'm with you, but there seems to be panic setting in around here with this. Now, all of a sudden GFWL was a good thing because it presented a service competitor to Steam.

It's as if the last 5 years where no one cared about GFWL as a service, or actively detested it, never happened.

 

[Emitan]

I am assuming Bamco isn't going to patch Dark Souls. Does this mean I would need to download a crack just to install the game?

EDIT: I won't be able to save!? Are you serious?

 

[fantomena]

The witch is dead (soon).

 

[Sullichin]

It will all be okay people. You're not going to lose access to your games.



I'm with you, but there seems to be panic setting in around here with this. Now, all of a sudden GFWL was a good thing because it presented a service competitor to Steam.

It's as if the last 5 years where no one cared about GFWL as a service, or actively detested it, never happened.

Hm?
Sounds like Dark Souls will go kaput to me, unless Namco/From pulls a miracle and updates the game, which is incredibly unlikely.

 

[Nethaniah]

Yes. Rockstar doesn't have the greatest record with supporting GTAIV on PC, that's why I worry.

Petition time! Oh wait, Rockstar won't care anyway......../sad.

 

[SteveWinwood]

oh thank god

never do this again microsoft thanks ahead of time

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

All GFWL games:
- Achievements fail
- Matchmaking fails and online features are permanently broken

GFWL games that require sign-in for initial activation:
- Permanently unplayable

GFWL games that require sign-in / user profile access for saving:
- Permanently unplayable

How much faith should I have that the PC community will solve these problems if the devs/pubs don't step up?

 

[LiK]

All GFWL games:
- Achievements fail
- Matchmaking fails and online features are permanently broken

GFWL games that require sign-in for initial activation:
- Permanently unplayable

GFWL games that require sign-in / user profile access for saving:
- Permanently unplayable

so it's up to companies to patch their games so that doesn't happen.

well that will kill off Dark Souls PC. hopefully folks can still play it single player

Dark Souls PC allows you to play offline so you should be safe there

 

[birdchili]

at least i didn't have to deal with manual patching or the space-cluttering game-box for my Dark Souls... rental...



i will throw my support so-hard behind digital platforms that provide server code and drm-free games.

 

[Dictator93]

All GFWL games:
- Achievements fail
- Matchmaking fails and online features are permanently broken

GFWL games that require sign-in for initial activation:
- Permanently unplayable

GFWL games that require sign-in / user profile access for saving:
- Permanently unplayable

HOLY SHIT. THIS IS HUGE.

Good (death of GFWL), but a lot of my library is horribly affected.
Dawn of war II and Dark Crusade are games that specifically I worry for.

 

[Blueblur1]

Games are going to fast become "you had to be there" experiences with so much "always online" stuff creeping in.

I guess Dark Souls hacked player shit meant I wouldnt miss that online interaction, but still.

I always feared that would be the case once DLC and online only features took off this gen. I'm sad that its going to be true.

 

[Glorified G]

Fuck drm. I should have done better research when purchasing the couple of gfwl games I do have.

 

[Beer Monkey]

So what happens to fallout 3?

I own Fallout 3, GFWL is optional on the install. If you don't want cheevos and friends list, you have always had the ability to completely ignore the GFWL feature.

EDIT: Maybe there are different versions?

 

[Rapstah]

I don't think anything that was coming out was using it (might be why they're doing this) so this ends up being pretty much solely a guarantee that a number of games will never work again.

 

[OverBlood 3]

Whatever we lose is a small price to pay to see that shit dead and buried.

 

[Lasthope106]

How much faith should I have that the PC community will solve these problems if the devs/pubs don't step up?

You should have faith, but it will take years until the dust settles and good mods are available that fix/replace all the issues.

 

[gabbre]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvaKKWv1-tQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Brerlappin]

So lets see how many gamesi own that this is going to fuck me over on..

GOW
Fallout 3
Batman AA/AC
Dark Souls
Bioshock 2
Resident Evil 5
Dawn of War 2

...god fucking dammit they better make those games available offline before they shit the bed for the last time.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Hm?
Sounds like Dark Souls will go kaput to me, unless Namco/From pulls a miracle and updates the game, which is incredibly unlikely.

Right, because Namco won't want to achieve any more revenue from Dark Souls through Steam sales or any other distribution, forever.

They're happy with what they have, and are just going to put that sales forecast to "0" because GFWL is going away.

Yep, that will happen. Because Namco can't be bothered to make any more money from a game that seems to have done pretty well on PC.

Sure. It's over.

 

[Tellaerin]

All GFWL games:
- Achievements fail
- Matchmaking fails and online features are permanently broken

GFWL games that require sign-in for initial activation:
- Permanently unplayable

GFWL games that require sign-in / user profile access for saving:
- Permanently unplayable

They should still be playable offline as long as you've created an offline profile, no?

 

[Beer Monkey]

So lets see how many gamesi own that this is going to fuck me over on..

GOW
Fallout 3
Batman AA/AC
Dark Souls
Bioshock 2
Resident Evil 5

...god fucking dammit they better make those games available offline before they shit the bed for the last time.

Isn't it confirmed that Bioshock 2 and the Batman games are being patched officially?

 

[Storm360]

This is awful tbh, I'd rather not lose these games, plus the completitionist in me is going to be bothered everytime I see them on my list

 

[LiK]

So lets see how many gamesi own that this is going to fuck me over on..

GOW
Fallout 3
Batman AA/AC
Dark Souls
Bioshock 2
Resident Evil 5

...god fucking dammit they better make those games available offline before they shit the bed for the last time.

at least i hope Steam does it themselves for all games on their store or else they're basically selling broken shit.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

between this and the original xbox microsoft has a pretty shitty track record

what a shit company

 

[SteveWinwood]

I hope everyone who had anything to do with gfwl thinks long and hard about how their stupidity will leave many games permanently unplayable.

oh wait lol games for windows store here we go

Isn't it confirmed that Bioshock 2 and the Batman games are being patched officially?

Yes.

Microsoft will probably issue one last patch before the system goes down in order to close down that authentication.

Probably might be a little far. I think I'll settle on a maybe.

 

[Grief.exe]

All GFWL games:
- Achievements fail
- Matchmaking fails and online features are permanently broken

GFWL games that require sign-in for initial activation:
- Permanently unplayable

GFWL games that require sign-in / user profile access for saving:
- Permanently unplayable

Microsoft will probably issue one last patch before the system goes down in order to close down that authentication.

 

[Emitan]

at least i hope Steam does it themselves for all games on their store or else they're basically selling broken shit.

They will probably just delist all GFWL titles from their store.

 

[Beer Monkey]

between this and the original xbox microsoft has a pretty shitty track record

Hey, I love my OG Xbox. Thing is a tank and has a great library. Don't hate on OG Xbox.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Microsoft will probably issue one last patch before the system goes down in order to close down that authentication.

Problem solved. Chill out everyone.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Hey, I love my OG Xbox. Thing is a tank and has a great library. Don't hate on OG Xbox.

I meant the fact that Microsoft shut down the XBL servers and made all DLC for games unreachable (although there wasn't a ton during the OG Xbox days).

 

[SteveWinwood]

Hey, I love my OG Xbox. Thing is a tank and has a great library. Don't hate on OG Xbox.

yeah you can still play it online huh

Problem solved. Chill out everyone.

"They probably won't do that"

See what I did there.

 

[maniac-kun]

How much could ut cost to run some fucking servers for this? Blizzard is still running fucking Diablo 1 servers to this day.

 

[Grief.exe]

Probably might be a little far. I think I'll settle on a maybe.

I would agree, maybe is more likely.

 

[Sullichin]

Right, because Namco won't want to achieve any more revenue from Dark Souls through Steam sales or any other distribution, forever.

They're happy with what they have, and are just going to put that sales forecast to "0" because GFWL is going away.

Yep, that will happen. Because Namco can't be bothered to make any more money from a game that seems to have done pretty well on PC.

Sure. It's over.

I hope you're right, but I still don't really see it happening. They don't exactly seem to care about updating that game.

 

[D-e-f-]

Games that will no longer be available for digital purchase in 3 days:
AFL Live
Battle vs. Chess - Not purchasable on Steam, Publisher is essentially defunct
CarneyVale: Showtime - Independent title
Crash Time 4: The Syndicate - Other series installments are on Steam
Game Room - Many constituent titles are available sans-GFWL
Gears of War for Windows
Halo 2 for Windows Vista
Hour of Victory
Quantum of Solace - Game no longer for sale on Steam
Shadowrun - Servers are no longer running for this, right?
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
Mahjong Wisdom -- MS has a free Mahjong game on W8, "replacement"?
Rugby League Live
Tinker - Free, download right now if you ever want to play
Tron: Evolution
Vancouver 2010
Viva Piñata for Windows
Where’s Waldo? The Fantastic Journey

Games whose online facilities and achievements will die July 1, 2014--some of these may no longer be able to be activated at this point and thus will be DEAD DEAD:
Ace Combat: Assault Horizon – Enhanced Edition
Blacklight: Tango Down
Bulletstorm
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition
Dead Rising 2
Dead Rising 2: Off the Record
DiRT 2
Dirt 3
F1 2010
F1 2011
Fable III
Fallout 3
FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage
FUEL
Grand Theft Auto IV
Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City
Iron Brigade
Kane & Lynch: Dead Men
Lost Planet 2
Microsoft Flight
Mortal Kombat Arcade Kollection
Ms. Splosion Man
Operation Flashpoint: Red River
Red Faction: Guerrilla
Resident Evil 5
Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City
Section 8
Section 8: Prejudice
Star Wars: The Clone Wars – Republic Heroes
Street Fighter IV
Street Fighter X Tekken
Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition
Universe at War: Earth Assault
Virtua Tennis 4



Windows 8 doesn't use GFWL at all.

fuck you, digital/online future.

now I know that I have to play
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition
Dead Rising 2: Off the Record
Fallout 3
Grand Theft Auto IV
Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City
Iron Brigade
Red Faction: Guerrilla
before July 1, 2014 if I want any online features or achievements ...

ugh. (I know they're "old" games but c'mon...)

THIS is why people raged about GFWL all the time.

 

[kewlmyc]

Woot. What about the games that still use GFWL though (Dead Rising 2, SSFIV:AE, Batman)?

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Problem solved. Chill out everyone.

I don't think Microsoft has issued a patch for GFWL for.... ages. Saying that they will issue a patch to allow offline play on these games is a leap of faith.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This is awful tbh, I'd rather not lose these games, plus the completitionist in me is going to be bothered everytime I see them on my list

I'd rather eliminate the vermin but if most of the big and popular titles like SF or GTA4 get patched I would be happy. It would be terribly disappointing to have even supported it only to not want to fix it to work independent of that vermin GFWL.

 

[LiquidSolid]

well it sounds like the batman games, bioshock2, and insanely twisted will all be replacing gfwl with steamworks

if a company still makes long tail money off of their pc release it would be in their best interest to remove gfwl

Sure but even in that situation, are previous owners of non-Steam versions (retail or whatever) going to get Steam keys for their games? Or are they permanently fucked over? It's a really shitty situation that never should've happened in the first place.

 

[patchday]

@LiK, thanks

That just leaves the Batman SP games I have on Steam

Maybe those can be played offline I dunno

 

[Wynnebeck]

What the hell!? So what's going to hapen to the GFWL version of SSFIV AE? I swear, Capcom better patch it so I can upgrade to Ultra or I'm going to flip shit.

 

[Lulubop]

Dark Souls on pc preformed well and 2 is Steamworks, seemingly anyway. I could see Namco patchibg it over, sure why not.

 

[Madridy]

Good riddance. Really sucks about losing online functionality in my games and even some will be unplayable.

I have several GFWL games, guess I'll download, activate, crack, then back them up.

Fuck.

 

[Lasthope106]

Right, because Namco won't want to achieve any more revenue from Dark Souls through Steam sales or any other distribution, forever.

They're happy with what they have, and are just going to put that sales forecast to "0" because GFWL is going away.

Yep, that will happen. Because Namco can't be bothered to make any more money from a game that seems to have done pretty well on PC.

Sure. It's over.

I'm not getting my hopes up. They released Dark Souls in such a bare-bones state for pc because they didn't have the resources to make a proper port. The game did well and earned them a profit. Now they have to go and gut the entire network infrastructure which is not trivial. In the long term it would probably pay off in spades, but let's not forget that companies are too occupied with right-now profits.

 

[CosmicQueso]

I don't think Microsoft has issued a patch for GFWL for.... ages. Saying that they will issue a patch to allow offline play on these games is a leap of faith.

Think this through... so all the companies that used GFWL for their PC products all of a sudden cannot sell another copy due to Microsoft.

Major publishers and developers we're talking about here.

You really think that those companies are going to say "Microsoft, it's cool. You don't want to disable online authentication? We'll just not sell any more PC versions of GTA or Dark Souls or Fallout 3? Okay, sure. That sounds good to us!"

Come on people, you're smarter than this.

 

[Grief.exe]

@LiK, thanks

That just leaves the Batman SP games I have on Steam

Maybe those can be played offline I dunno

Arkham games and Bioshock 2 should be getting GFWL patched out

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=619976

Dark Souls on pc preformed well and 2 is Steamworks, seemingly anyway. I could see Namco patchibg it over, sure why not.

Redesigning that online system could get expensive.

Think this through... so all the companies that used GFWL for their PC products all of a sudden cannot sell another copy due to Microsoft.

Major publishers and developers we're talking about here.

You really think that those companies are going to say "Microsoft, it's cool. You don't want to disable online authentication? We'll just not sell any more PC versions of GTA or Dark Souls or Fallout 3? Okay, sure. That sounds good to us!"

Come on people, you're smarter than this.

This is what I was thinking.

 

[Beer Monkey]

yeah you can still play it online huh

I meant the fact that Microsoft shut down the XBL servers and made all DLC for games unreachable (although there wasn't a ton during the OG Xbox days).

It's way better than Sony which pulls the plug on games in the middle of a generation.