Chobel
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Phil Spencer responds to Sony's 'dig' at Gamescom
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You guys are shitting too much on Phil - he's responsible for the games and seems passionate about what he does; plus he's probably in a Reggie-like situation where he has nothing to say in terms of the console's direction
I mean what else than PR bullshit can you expect from him? He's on that ship and has to sail with it
I mean what else than PR bullshit can you expect from him? He's on that ship and has to sail with it
Er yeah. That's what tells multi billion dollar corporations what people actually want.
Or they could 'listen' to online petitions... you know like the one wanting MS to reintroduce the DRM.
Generalisation there mate.
dragonelite
Member
In what for strange world do you life in where those two are separate entities for corporations
Yeah, handing over your $500 a year later will teach them really bad.
NeoGAF.
There is something positive to be said about how Microsoft sticks to their guns, until they actually get to play their hand. Back-Peddling before you even TRY is a pretty weak way to react to things.
One of the very reasons I like my Xbox years is because they're so forward-thinking. Playing Monster Hunter on PS2 felt very restricted, compared to the ease of playing things like DOAU and MechAssault at the time. And I loved having an "I swear it's infinite!" Harddrive in my Xbox, while I dreaded having to buy memory cards for PS2, because that was money I could well spend on games. And the push for XBLA was so much more interesting to me than lots of what was being released on PSN for a good number of years.
All those things came from going against the grain, and doing things that people would have spoken out against before. They might not have been doing exactly right from the start, but they were the catalyst to many of the changes we see all over each system's set-ups, now.
It's actually kinda fun to see Sony and Microsoft digging at each other, really. Feels like a mutation of the 16 bit days Sega / Nintendo competition.
One of the very reasons I like my Xbox years is because they're so forward-thinking. Playing Monster Hunter on PS2 felt very restricted, compared to the ease of playing things like DOAU and MechAssault at the time. And I loved having an "I swear it's infinite!" Harddrive in my Xbox, while I dreaded having to buy memory cards for PS2, because that was money I could well spend on games. And the push for XBLA was so much more interesting to me than lots of what was being released on PSN for a good number of years.
All those things came from going against the grain, and doing things that people would have spoken out against before. They might not have been doing exactly right from the start, but they were the catalyst to many of the changes we see all over each system's set-ups, now.
It's actually kinda fun to see Sony and Microsoft digging at each other, really. Feels like a mutation of the 16 bit days Sega / Nintendo competition.
If he's the front facing person representing the brand now that Mattrick is gone, he's going to be the scapegoat. That's how PR works really.
Dirk Benedict
Member
I concur. I thought the customer was just a living, breathing wallet. Personally.
WrenchNinja
Member
Sony was listening to the #nodrm movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW0Qbdkyih0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
They had no online service.
They had no games until what MGS 4?
3rd party games were being delayed due to developers having an hard time with the hardware.
People tried to warn Sony and they did listen, but it took them far longer then MS to correct thier issues.
Looks accurate enough.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Not the high level people I don't but the other tier people yes. As much as I am a Xbox fan you have to admit its been a fractured build up to launch to say the least
Uno Venova
Banned
Seems about right.
He'll probably swap to GameFAQs soon enough.
From january when the first always on rumors started to the xbox reveal in may MS could have listened and nothing would have happend.
Instead MS decided to do their thing until preorder numbers factually showed that they were on the wrong path. It's their fault and they are reaping the rewards at the moment...
If only Belfiore read it too...
SEGAvangelist
Member
Dude seems like an actual gamer compared to Mattrick, so I can't see why he wouldn't.
WhoaIsThatMars
Member
I really hate the way he uses the word "customers." Saying "our fans" or "gamers" or "gaming community" consistently would have come off better. It's like referring to people in a retail store as "customers" rather than a "guests."
Just my personal thoughts, but it bugs me.
Just my personal thoughts, but it bugs me.
FranXico
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It will because they won't see any software sales or XBLG fees for that time period as a result.
Yep, quite valid forms of feedback. Even so, low pre-order numbers alone would have said little in a vacuum, and the media backlash and our own were mutually reinforcing.
Microsoft clearly did listen, because they backtracked on almost everything people were complaining about. It's always tough for a team to give up on a vision they've invested so much into, but they did a complete 180 in practically record time. That's something to be celebrated, not mocked. So I see nothing at all wrong with what Phil Spencer said.
Actually, I found Andrew House's jab sort of weak. It was more political than substantive.
Heh, Phil is trembling in his boots.
Do you like consumer better?
"While others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistent in maintaining a message that is fair and in tune with consumer desires."
- Andrew House
purpletentacle
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If Microsoft listens to their customers, then what's Windows 8 all about?
No one asked for that interface.
Or how about the fact that 360 UL is currently about 75% ad space? Did customers ask for that? Pretty sure we keep demanding more room for our actual content.
Seems like a one-way conversation to me.
No one asked for that interface.
Or how about the fact that 360 UL is currently about 75% ad space? Did customers ask for that? Pretty sure we keep demanding more room for our actual content.
Seems like a one-way conversation to me.
Acquiescence
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And then straight back to NeoGAF again.
Good point. I stand corrected.
FeiRR
Banned
I could buy an X1 one day, used, preowned. That'd be zero income for Microsoft. I don't know why I would want one but it's possible.
Dirk Benedict
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Hindle, to be fair, Sony had problems because people like Phil Harrison* were out of touch, although I do understand he pushed for a lot of things that were then shot down by Japan Corporate.
Sony had internal problems. The price of the hardware, the arrogance of our favorite Japanese, asylum escapee, Ken Kutaragi and the intensely exoctic nature of the Cell Broadband Engine.
It took much of last gen to sort out these problems, but where I see these things being ironed out, and Sony prepping for their 4th successful console cycle, I see MS floundering about(Thanks, Dahlia Gillespie) and even with the billions they have invested, and being as big as they are, they have a stain on their reputation that cannot be ignored. Especially since it's engraved in the internet.
That doesn't mean I'll forget paying 700 bucks for what could be one of the most expensive console launches ever, either.
I'mt appering, so I'll just cut it there.
CosmicQueso
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If Henry Ford asked people what they wanted before the automobile, they would have said they wanted faster horses.
BTW.. Windows 8 on a tablet is fantastic, as is the Metro interface on the Windows Phone. Sure, it's a terrible desktop interface, but it also boots up faster than 7 and is otherwise pretty solid.
Meh. He said hat he had to.
Except for repeating "two way conversation". As if there's another kind
MS tried the other kind till their 180 ;-)
FonkyByNature
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Fixed for you!
WhoaIsThatMars
Member
I think you misinterpreted my input as a shot at M$. It wasn't meant to be. Just a general pet peeve of mine.
maquiladora
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Oh he's serious.
Flame Lord
Member
Not seeing your point. I'm sure when they saw that plus all the negative comments they were seeing from other places they came to the conclusion that having DRM equaled having less money, and therefore changed it.
idrinkalone
Banned
Phil's a cool cat. He always looks pissed even when he's trying to smile.
This was a different sony back then, with a completely different structure, vision, a different CEO who had a different view on things. Today you are looking at a focussed, efficient and in-touch Sony, and it's up to Microsoft to follow suit, or send their suits packing. Microsoft is paying the price for shit management and a shit vision. They are correcting as much flaws as time allows, as the launches draw near. Not because of the feedback from their customers, but because of feedback from the financial departments. Microsoft is getting hammered at retail, and Phil needs to acknowledge the mistakes made in the most humble ways, and reassure the public that Microsoft understand why things went tits up, and has adjust their vision accordingly and with great focus. Beating around the push with PR fluff is not going to save face. It's going to rile the vocal crowds up, and the backlash will bury any goodwill you had with that statement.
Man the fuck up Microsoft, take responsibility and show us that you have learned from this.
Mr.Marston
Member
Phil Spencer is one of the few at Xbox that doesn't warrant criticism.
If you're going to blame someone for the state of the Xbox One, blame those in charge of the Console's development.
If you're going to blame someone for the state of the Xbox One, blame those in charge of the Console's development.
Well, you corrected it now, lol.
Was waiting for that. The problem is that MS is not Ford.
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