Sentenza
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Nope, I think the problem people have with TitanFall is simply being a FPS.
Me? I'm not strictly a fan of the genre but I'm more than open to *good* FPS.
And Titanfall looks good to me.
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Gamescom Awards 2013
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Me? I'm not strictly a fan of the genre but I'm more than open to *good* FPS.
And Titanfall looks good to me.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Somehow I don't think people would complain so vocally if Killzone had won... That's an FPS, too. And let's be honest, it isn't like these awards mean much of anything, but it isn't hard to see why Titanfall, even as an fps, is getting a lot more praise than a typical fps game might. It's different, it does some new and interesting things, and it's got some exciting potential for all kinds of interesting gameplay scenarios. I can already imagine all the crazy things that would happen in a game, what with the capabilities of both the human players and titans. Factoring in the ability to have your titan follow you, or stand and guard a location is all the more exciting. There's a lot of potential there.
Most important, the damn thing just looks like it plays so damn well. That's largely missing in a lot of new fps titles these days. It's clearly a step above the usually more generic fps titles that we see made here and there. Of course how good this ultimately ends up being will depend on the maps, balancing, and all sorts of other factors, but so far this game looks nothing short of extraordinary.
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MasterOfPastures
Banned
From someone I know, I heard that a lot of people at Bungie are also hyped and excited for Titanfall. They emailed the GC trailer all over the studio like wildfire.
Or maybe FPS games are not that popular on GAF?
The last time a FPS game was in the top 3 Game of the Year was in 2007 and it was Team Fortress 2 via the Orange Box.
I think TItanfall seems really cool, but FPS are not a popular genre here on GAF. Or they all sucked since 2007.
Of course. On GAF everyone is a frothing Sony fanboy, right. Forgot about that part. It's not like we have threads about Killzone where people ask "what's so great about Killzone, looks like COD in space. Boring."
Fredrik
Member
Titanfall looks awesome but why is it winning the console/xbox awards when it's the PC version that is being shown?
I just heard that it isn't even developed by Respawn either, it's ported by another studio (which one?). And they don't know the framerate it'll have on X1 yet even though it's being pushed as one of the few 60fps-locked titles.
I just heard that it isn't even developed by Respawn either, it's ported by another studio (which one?). And they don't know the framerate it'll have on X1 yet even though it's being pushed as one of the few 60fps-locked titles.
PC and Xbone version are being done by Respawn. 60 FPS is targeted for those versions.
360 version is done by an unnamed developer and target FPS is not known.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
I bet the hype for Titan Fall is manufactured and paid for... it doesn't seem genuine, i for one don't get the hype for a game that could very well work on current gen consoles and looks atrocious to boot...
Of course, that is the only thing it could possibly be!
ashecitism
Member
Only the X360 version is being outsourced, Respawn are doing the X1 version.
edit: ninja'd
WrenchNinja
Member
Titanfall and Destiny...ugh
Well it does seem that not a single indie game won any sort of award. If that means anything.
And it seems like they specifically spread all the big named games from the big named publishers across various awards so that they all get to claim "Award Winning Game" on their game box at retail.
The fact that ESO won best RPG just smacks of "big game from big publisher, we need to give it some sort of award."
Fredrik
Member
Aha. Got it all mixed up then. Sorry :/
If X1 version is 100% Respawn magic in glorious 60fps it's time to jump back onto the hype train again.
Look at the games that win GOTY awards on GAF. Bar a few exeptions they are all AAA. It's simply the kind of games that gets the press and target groups most exited.
Also, the press having horrible taste in RPG's is nothing new.
Did they have an Indie category? I guess the difficulty is that the majority of Indies go up against AAA multi-million $ budget games, so unless they really impress the get overlooked quickly.
True, but my other point still stands. The list smacks of intentionally trying to give all the big named players a spot on the awards chart with each big game winning some type of award even if based on the list they should have been beaten out. There's no domination at all by any one game and it's equivalent to giving all the kids a "participation trophy" for a sporting event.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
You wish that's what I said, but unfortunately it isn't. I'm talking about the usual suspects that try their best to mock Titanfall regardless of how amazing it looks at every turn. I'm talking about those people. It's pretty clear that level of animosity and bitterness is about something else entirely, not necessarily the perceived quality of the game they're looking at. And the people that go into killzone threads and shit the place up with nonsense trolling are just as bad. It's surely not something I go around doing or condoning, which my post history will prove, but the Titanfall thing is beyond ridiculous. I've followed GAF for some time now, and I've rarely seen a single game brought up for ridicule as often even in threads that have literally nothing at all to do with the game. The way you know people think this game looks amazing but can't admit it is how aggressive they're being to disregard it as insignificant at every opportunity, or imply it's somehow being shoved down our throats by some big corporate agenda. The way you know Killzone is clearly turning heads is when people come into a thread to say nonsense, and not contribute in any meaningful way, or can't bring themselves to at least acknowledge that the game looks fantastic graphically. I was none too impressed with Killzone during the ps4 reveal, and not really moved by it at E3 (but I thought it showed a few extra dimensions at E3 that I felt Killzone lacked, even though I still wasn't interested), but Gamescom it really managed to get my attention in a big way.
I'll be the first to say that I don't like Killzone, but even I'm now considering buying that game, and that's a big step for me. A big part of the reason I've never liked Killzone is that the gameplay always seemed so damn confined or cooped up, but with the ps4 that should no longer be the case with the amount of power available. Back to Titanfall, I just think it looks way too good to be getting that much hate. It's like at every step people want to turn the game into the main cog in a larger machine that represents everything that's wrong with the games industry, but it doesn't strike me as being anything of the sort. It's just one amazing looking and playing game.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
MS and their shady tactics!!! (i was sort of joking but wouldn't be surprised in the slightest)
I think if people are just buying games on the strengths of how many show awards they won, its a pretty sad state of affairs. Great for marketing but people will always vote with their cash and the indie titles tend to get community voted.
I don't pay much attention to what awards are handed out, I am more interested in the games themselves.
Unknown One
Member
Poor Infamous :SS on the PS4 award and action game. Why the hell is a shooter winning on an Action game genre?
eddfromtheriver
Banned
I wouldn't, I want next gen graphics on my next gen system... that hogwash of a game can run on current gen systems no problems...
And I say that even if you strip away all the random hate that Titanfall gets, it's still a FPS and those have traditionally not been the most popular genre on GAF.
I'd even argue that The Orange Box was part of the top 3 because of Portal, and not because of TF2. But that's just my conjecture.
Edit: If you go through the past few years, you'd be surprised with how little people seemingly care about multiplayer when it comes to game of the year. That's an additional factor I think.
/puts on tinfoil hat
I have a feeling the videogame websites are hyping up Titanfall to be the next big thing, because it's in their own interest that there is a new hype. It will bring in dem hits.
Risk Breaker
Member
Dat marketing money.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Hpw does TitanFall win best game on X1 but The Divisionwins best game overall?
Dragonborn
Member
Titanfall looks fun and all, but it just looks so CODish to me. I don't get the hype around it and honestly, I may be a bit cynical here but I'm starting to think there's some money involved somewhere there. With so many other amazing games, I just don't get how Titanfall, probably the most basic of them, can be getting so much attention. Heck, it's only MP, no SP. I think "Best Next Generation Game" should go to game that isn't also on current gen consoles.
sometimes you can only vote one game . Who knows
admartian
Member
lol yep.
Mainly online with no substantial story to speak of, and all that cross-gen stuff? Yep. Definitely.
Not hating on it, and of course enjoy what you will. But the hype behind it screams 'Marketing Majors popping bubblies'.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Well, the anti-FPS crowd of GAF is very vocal.. so much so I think a lot of the FPS fans just stick to the community type threads and ignore it.. because it's just not worth the fight.
It's the same for any who is a MS fan who doesn't care about paying for LIVE, or Kinect.. or any of that crap.. it's not worth being vocal because you get accused of being a MS shill or whatnot.. so it's easier to just be silent and enjoy what you like.
A lot of people think GAF is supposed to be this elitist community that outsiders portray it as.. and because it's portrayed a certain way a lot of people get accepted and think that's the only way to think. It's a sorta hipster gamer mentality, that being a GAF member makes you above the casual CoD type player.. so often labeled the DudeBro.. which in and of itself is a derogatory label.
So you'll see a lot of FPS shooter hate, since the people who get excited it either post and don't care about being labeled a DudeBro.. and a lot of just don't bother and will buy it and play it.. but act like they don't like it because of fear of being labeled some kind of DudeBro.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I don't know... people on GAF like to say they don't love FPS games, but for some reason the hype is extraordinarily high for fps games here on a pretty regular basis. Hating FPS titles is now the new true gamer street cred, but when Killzone as a franchise just keeps getting better and better, and things like Halo still being incredibly popular, Bioshock doing its thing, along with a very refreshing take on a more traditional first person shooter experience like Titanfall showing up and garnering the attention that it is, I think it's going to be harder and harder for people to deny that GAF just plain loves itself some first person shooters.
The first person shooter for GAF is that girl/boy (gotta consider the lady gamers, too!) you slept with in high school, but didn't tell your friends about.
It was easier to deny the power of a solid or strong first person shooter when the consoles were weaker, and not pumping out the level of graphics or packing the kind of production values that they are now. There was a reason that the initial Killzone hype footage for the PS3 got so many people going crazy. It wasn't just how it looked, it was the way all the little things around it added to the immersion factor. First Person Shooters have always had a very underrated immersion advantage, and these consoles are coming ever closer and closer to being able to pull that off in real-time gameplay. Hell, in many ways they are achieving that.
GAF went totally nuts for COD4 at the time (rightfully so) and was right there for the ride with Modern Warfare 2. We didn't really seem to start getting tired of COD till after the second Modern Warfare game. It's regularly mocked, but those scripted events that Infinity Ward used in Modern Warfare to such amazing result sunk their hooks right into us. And those same scripted events, deep down, are something we desire to see happen in our games as we play, because they're immersive. We want them in Killzone, we want them in Halo (Yes you do, hush up Halo GAF
), we want them in just about everything. We don't want them abused, but we do want them. We like nice things. Remember Half Life 2 and that building being blown from inside out? Or seeing those gigantic, I believe, metal skyscraper like things moving the way they did right on cue almost like they were going to fall on top of the player?Titanfall seems to capture that scripted feel to its multiplayer combat, but the player has 100% control of everything. Things that you could only hope to accomplish or achieve in a cutscene, or in an on rails scenario where the game is holding your hand until it's ready to let you take control, all happens for real in Titanfall, and I think people are really reacting to that. And from all impressions about the game, the game allows you do all these incredible things, such as the amazing environmental traversal and landing on top of mechs, but it never feels like you aren't in control of everything you're doing. That's exciting stuff, and it doesn't hurt to not have slow and cumbersome mechs. Mechs in general just seem to have a cult following in many gaming communities, and I don't think GAF is all that different. So, in conclusion, how much does GAF loves FPS? If I told people that Half Life 3 were going to be announced on Thanksgiving day this year and somehow provided proof to back that up with, GAF would implode
Dragonborn
Member
I don't think it's strictly anti-FPS sentiments, it's mostly just the thought that Titanfall isn't that impressive. Yes, the gameplay looks fun, but it's too much like COD, at least in my opinion. There's much better FPS doing much better things to push the genre forward next gen, Titanfall just seems to be there on the back of marketing money. Heck, like I said before it's basically half a game, MP only and on top of that a game releasing on the 360 winning best Next Generation Game is a bit too much to swallow.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
You realize who is making Titanfall, right? It's what Infinity Ward wanted to do to take the CoD experience to the next level but Activision wanted just another CoD. To mock it for being somewhat like CoD is funny, because of who is involved.
Also, considering the amount of time most gamers spend playing MP in things like BF and CoD comparably to the SP shows there is a market for something strictly SP... we mocked BF3's SP mode as being tacked on anyhow.. so why not just focus on what most people will play instead of developing 2 separate games at the same time.
Also, your last part is just simply being sour about what is business as usual for the last umpteen years.
Got to give all your paying publisher friends some awards. Was Destiny even shown to the public?
Can you list those FPS that are much better and what area they push?
I know that PlanetSide 2 pushes scale. Titanfall on the other hand pushes mobility to levels that has been neglected for a long time.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Dude, Titanfall's real marketing campaign hasn't even started yet. What we're actually seeing from Titanfall now is genuine gamer excitement. Maybe it feels manufactured to you because of the players involved? EA? Infinity Ward founders and all the success they've had with COD? Microsoft, and there's some kind of money or cooperation deal in place, so it has that backroom deal feeling to it or whatever? I don't know, but this game kicks ass, and from what I hear people saying, I don't know jack about the game until I've played it and experienced it firsthand for myself. I got one buddy that got a chance to try the game over in Germany, and all this guy is talking about is the "feel" "dude, the way it feels." He's just practically mesmerized by the way the game feels when you're actually playing it, and how you don't want to put it down, and how it feels to go back to another FPS after playing it, and this is a guy that prides himself on being some self appointed expert on first person shooters. I can't even get this guy into Halo or most other first person shooters, but this guy is downright madly in love with Titanfall. Man has never owned anything Xbox in his life, so I highly doubt he's getting it for the Xbox One, so PC is a safe bet for him.
This game might come off simplistic, what with no SP campaign and all that, but it apparently feels a lot more substantial than you would think once you try it out for yourself. Anyway that certainly seems to vibe with most impressions, and it's amazing watching the game in action.
Dragonborn
Member
I know they're the ones making it, and I know that's why it's CODish but after so many CODs it just doesn't have that wow factor, you know? The titans look awesome and the parkour seems to be well implemented but the actual gameplay and shooting looks way too similar to what we've seen this gen. Of course, it's not strictly their fault since it's Activsion that's milked COD to no end but still.
And I agree, that the focus should be on MP, but the lack of MP means they really shouldn't charge full price for this. At least, not in my opinion. I know plenty of people will be fine with it and that's cool but to me, that just seems like half a game. I guess the hype over Titanfall just seems to similar to the hype over the constant stream of CODs, it's old and gets tiresome. Again, that's just my opinion, I'll probably buy the game when it get's cheaper, and I'll have a fun time no doubt, but I just don't feel it deserves the praise it's getting from what I've seen (that may change when I play it.
Yeah, I haven't had my hands on it so my view on it might very well change when I do, but I'm just speaking from what I've seen. I know it sounds like I'm a hater when I say it's CoD with mechs, but isn't that what it looks like? The character movements, shooting, art style, environment, all of it reminds me of CoD (and I again, I realize the reasons why). It just feels like the hype is similar to all the fake hype the media builds over each CoD.
ALBOFIGHTER
Member
Desiny should be free to play. Everything about it screams F2P made by indies. I'm surprised people are excited by that crap. Titanfall may be getting a lot of hype but I respect it more. Gameplay is much better.
Titanfall is an unproven IP which is still not play by many, even on GAF. So you have to believe others.
And yes, because it is seen as something as part of the Xbox One offering, it receives vitriol because Microsoft has lost trust (you have to add, that people have trust others about it) and of course because of fanboys from other plattforms.
Fnord
Member
If it's deserving. Yes.
I think this needs to be noted. What we're hearing right now is people who have seen it and are excited for it. The game isn't out until next year so we won't be getting a legitimate marketing campaign for it for a while. Yea EA, Respawn and Microsoft are going to hype the game up because it's a big new title, but what we're seeing as a whole from the gaming community and journalists is that the game is the real deal. The lack of SP might be a turn off for some, but Respawn is honing in on an idea and knocking it out of the park.