Not none. Quite a lot of e3 was smoke and mirrors. You can have a look through John harker's post history for corroboration, btw
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IGN: Sony has yet to show anything running on PS4, using PCs [actually Dev-kits]
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Not none. Quite a lot of e3 was smoke and mirrors. You can have a look through John harker's post history for corroboration, btw
LukasTaves
Member
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xb...ng-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html
Shocking news:XB1 now has nVIDIA GPU and W7 OS
Albert Penello:
Lastly anything that was shown on a box, was shown on near-final retail HW. Our Dev Kits and Retail Units are the same.
A PS4 devkit running the PS4 OS is not a PC
I see no box there to contradict his statement. He is talking about fake retail cases on display while the game is actually running through something hidden somewhere else.
Cornbread78
Member
well I guess size does matter to him. I bet he drives a REALLY BIG pick-up truck....
No - everyone was developing on fairly beefy PCs that didn't necessarily match the output power of the consoles. That situation has changed. Real kits are out there obviously. This isn't an uncommon thing obviously
IGN - Fair and Balanced
IGN still refuses to look at factual tech specs, and continue to inform their audience that both systems are identical power wise. The lead up to this new console generation has shown an incredible level of incompetence in the mainstream games media. It is all quite disturbing. IGN is little more than a PR dumping ground.
IGN still refuses to look at factual tech specs, and continue to inform their audience that both systems are identical power wise. The lead up to this new console generation has shown an incredible level of incompetence in the mainstream games media. It is all quite disturbing. IGN is little more than a PR dumping ground.
This is funny, because gaf is willing to believe any negative source, but will ignore a real person, who uses his full name, and call him unreliable.
Both are running on devkits, it just so happens that the Xbox retail and devkits look the same.
There shouldn't be any game running on retail units right now even if they have it because most of it is alpha/beta stage and the code is unsigned.
IIRC people got mad at Microsoft because they were using some high-end PC to run some of their Xbox One games at E3.
There shouldn't be any game running on retail units right now even if they have it because most of it is alpha/beta stage and the code is unsigned.
IIRC people got mad at Microsoft because they were using some high-end PC to run some of their Xbox One games at E3.
LukasTaves
Member
That won't be the case for the xbone. Apparently devkits have 8GB since beta. The only devkits with 12GB were the one that were Pcs without anything of the actual hardware.
Stealthcobra
Member
So basically what people are saying is that when they go on those night time talk shows and they show the ps4 on the table... There's really a pc underneath? Sorry but thats bullshit.
Ovek
7Member7
And the gaming "press" were acting just as retarded during E3 as well. Sony's check book will make its self know when Killzone/DriveClub starts getting 90%+ reviews.
SniperHunter
Banned
I don't believe you at all. Initially we had rumors that PS4 was extremely weak and devs were begging for more ram and better hardware. This was confirmed by thugway.
If what you are saying is true, we will see a MGS4 TGS 2005 to E3 2006 level of downgrade across the first party and third party games.
travisbickle
Member
Don't buy a PS4 guys !!!!!! I just bought one, and so did my cousin, and there's just a piece of wood in the box!!!!
Don't buy a PS4, it's just a piece of wood. Sony lied!!!!! And Forza looks better than driveshrub anyway!!??!
Sony fan: Persecution complex?
sechsterangriff
Member
More like reaction to articles/tweets of this type...
At Gamescom, all the games on the XBOX booth were running on Xbox One hardware.
The other 3rd party booths were running on other machines, either early dev kits or simply PCs.
This is common knowledge and read through the thread and you'll see other people confirm this.
As Albert Penello has confirmed, there is no physical difference between a debug/dev unit XONE and a Retail unit. i.e. they don't have any additional ram, presumably the OS and it's ram allocation is replaced with Debug tools.
NavyPharaoh
Member
Have you seen all their XBone arcticles and tweets lately? (last couple of months)
Yes, they do!
Ign is so god awful now. I remember when they actually were decent. Now they post news stories days late. Have blatant Microsoft propaganda and don't get me started on the AMA with Microsoft. The worst thing about the site is those damn under 5 minute videos that say absolutely nothing. I'm glad I stop supporting that site
Once again, since only a couple people have read this.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
anexanhume
Member
Retail units? Are people this dumb? Do they still believe that the kewl video game companies have the next-generation of video games secretly hiding in their headquarters years in advance and are playing them for their own personal enjoyment before releasing them to us?
If they had retail units in June, retailers probably would have had them in June too.
*sigh*
You realize both the Xbox One and PS4 have passed the FCC by now, right? That's a working unit in final retail form factor. That's why it's not implausible to see them in limited numbers at events like these.
wait all the games were pre alpha? this won't be any good at launch...
maverick40
Junior Member
This fool is 100% wrong. Proof straight from the Gamescom floor courtesy of PlayStationer.net. Still can't believe this guy gets paid to post this nonsense.
I didn't claim anything to the contrary. I'm interested in the claim that these a retail Xbox One, as opposed to debug and devkit Xbox One's.
I don't even give a shit about whether or not they did. Scott Lowe made a point about that being a difference between what was shown for PS4 and Xbox One. But if there is no easy way to physically distinguish them, he is just repeating PR.
It certainly is weird if that's the case but I don't see why I should be really worried about it. Sony is launching the PS4 in Europe and US with only a two weeks difference which they never managed during their previous consoles.
And then there is still the possibilty of other countries getting it by the years end.
They wouldn't be this confident in their launch if there was something to be concerned about especially since MS aren't really putting that much pressure on them with the X1 launch.
And then there is still the possibilty of other countries getting it by the years end.
They wouldn't be this confident in their launch if there was something to be concerned about especially since MS aren't really putting that much pressure on them with the X1 launch.
This fool is 100% wrong. Proof straight from the Gamescom floor courtesy of PlayStationer.net.
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anexanhume
Member
Damn, wish I had had that image instead of the shitty comiccon video I used to tweet him.
maverick40
Junior Member
Lol will I send him my two images?
I don't understand Microsoft's claim that it is running on a retail unit on near final specs. Either it is a unit you have picked up off the production line or it isn't. If it is then surely the specs will be final.
As for Sony running things on dev kits, it would seem to be the sensible thing to do as some of the games may not be at the stage of running on final hardware since they are still in development.
As for Sony running things on dev kits, it would seem to be the sensible thing to do as some of the games may not be at the stage of running on final hardware since they are still in development.
anexanhume
Member
I already tweeted it to him. Waiting...
That's a tough hill to climb. I'd be interested to see if you get a legitimate response.
Ovek
7Member7
This fool is 100% wrong. Proof straight from the Gamescom floor courtesy of PlayStationer.net. Still can't believe this guy gets paid to post this nonsense.
That PS4 was an empty plastic box with a blue LED in it, all of it was running on the "cloud".
Some good questions there, never thought about these until now. Sony playing armchair general, because they can I guess.
I'm sure their schedule is going fine. It's strange how we got loads of infodumps stating the oppostite about MS, production issues etc and we hear great things about Sony production.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
So they were using PS4 devkits? Awesome reporting there IGN.
SniperHunter
Banned
it's funny how StevieP gets away with so many bull shit claims. I want a list of all games that will be downgraded bro!
@ e3 2012 we knew which games were running on GTX 680's (Luminous tech demo, Watch Dogs and Star wars 1313, which used 3 gtx 680's).
@ e3 2012 we knew which games were running on GTX 680's (Luminous tech demo, Watch Dogs and Star wars 1313, which used 3 gtx 680's).
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
This fool is 100% wrong. Proof straight from the Gamescom floor courtesy of PlayStationer.net. Still can't believe this guy gets paid to post this nonsense.
They could still be hiding a pc somewhere! They might be even using gaikai!!!
Seriously, this thread has been pathetic, on both sides. Feels like people never been through a console launch before.
Shaunboy97
Member
For those that say NO $#it it's a dev kit are hilarious... Because those SAME people poked fun at X1 saying they used PC's at E3!! Now to hear PS4 has been using kits this whole time, it's a different story.
maverick40
Junior Member
The only response he will give you will be a ignorant block on twitter.
Ricerocket
Member
This fool is 100% wrong. Proof straight from the Gamescom floor courtesy of PlayStationer.net. Still can't believe this guy gets paid to post this nonsense.
Don't be fooled, it's a PC inside that PS4.
maverick40
Junior Member
Where could they fit the PC there in the two pictures? Seriously, what more proof do ye guys need??
maverick40
Junior Member
Show me then?
Where do you think thuway received some of his info? Ask him when I told him which month the consoles were targeting. Look through my post history going back to 2011.
Initially the PS4 had 2gb of GDDR5, then 4. Then 8. IN THE SPEC SHEET. The GPU was the same the whole way through. The CPU went from being specced with a 4 core Steamroller to an 8 core jaguar. ON THE SPEC SHEET.
The kits are entirely different from the spec sheet, always have been throughout history. They weren't developing on that. Devs were begging for more ram because devs receive a copy of the target spec sheet long before they receive alpha hardware. We are talking late 2010 here. In late 2010, more than 2GB of gddr5 was a ludicrous proposition in cost and complexity. In fact i made the mistake of being assertive that the console probably wouldn't see a huge memory icrease - 2013 not so much. Here we are with 8 glorious and expensive gigs.
Anyway point being, there will probably be some downgrades from both the Sony and MS presentation - especially from third parties. You've seen some of them already. This isn't an uncommon industry practice. Bullshots are made in the same way.
Nightengale
Member
I would say their marketing strategy is simply different.
It's a good thing, in my opinion. Nothing is more stale than seeing companies repeat each other's tactics.
Point these people out. Use the quote function.
Here is the old thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=590486
And you didn't even read the completely OP for this thread, where it's quite a difference between running on actual PC hardware and PS4 devkit. The only confusion is by you and the IGN Tech editor over what constitutes a PC and what is a PS4 devkit.
Ricerocket
Member
It's a joke, and im sure the others are doing the same to mock that IGN guy.
thunder_snail
Member
Lol. This "tech" journalist is wondering how sony can fit and cool an apu in ps4 sized case while there already are gaming laptops with i7s and dual gtx 780m's.
Where's the power or hdmi cable?This fool is 100% wrong. Proof straight from the Gamescom floor courtesy of PlayStationer.net. Still can't believe this guy gets paid to post this nonsense.
Anyways it doesn't really matter.. As long as they're final dev kits with the APU inside I don't see how it makes much of a difference
It's in the TV
No.
He said PC are Devkit.
Unless XB1 Devkit are running on Win7. Then that is not a devkit.
maverick40
Junior Member
The back of the console?