gaming_noob
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Sony gave the floor models away to Gamestop managers.
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IGN: Sony has yet to show anything running on PS4, using PCs [actually Dev-kits]
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Also, energy consumption: PS3 300 watt and PS4 100-150 watt.
Lower wattage means hardware runs cooler thus needs lesser cooling.
Good info.
Speculation: Given that the XBox One already has 3GB of RAM out of the 8GB reserved for the OS and apps, they might not even need a dev kit with more than 8GB total to debug. Just use the space already reserved.
Sorry but journos very very rarely ever get debug hardware and 95%+ code they actually review is a retail copy on a sampler disk, when a preview build is given in most cases its a preview build on a disk or a downloadable build that runs on retail
Im clearly not a PS1 expert anyway hah, but the point being that they use cards rather than dedicated tools that many people seem to think of
Aren't unfinished games generally running on devkits (even after launch), cause of the ability of devkits to run unsigned code?
Exactly
Apparently this is no big deal NOW though. Lol
I've never thought it was a big deal for either side. Tons of goal post destruction and massive goal post moving up in here by some though
Cracks me up
dragonbane
Member
So, was a nice thread. Quick recap:
-MS showed some games at E3 running off PCs and combined with the rumours about production issues many people were concerned
-MS brought devkits to GC (not retail units, they just look the same) and insists there are no production issues. Rumours are still in the air
-Sony always showed most of their stuff on devkits both at E3 and GC
-Scott Lowe from IGN and our favourite Arthur Gies try to argue that MS showed games running on retail units (which they didn't) and Sony is still running on devkits (which is normal) and somehow try to spin this into a negative for Sony and to have concerns about their production schedule, although we haven't heard a single rumour corroborating this
-Both look like idiots (for Gies nothing new)
-MS showed some games at E3 running off PCs and combined with the rumours about production issues many people were concerned
-MS brought devkits to GC (not retail units, they just look the same) and insists there are no production issues. Rumours are still in the air
-Sony always showed most of their stuff on devkits both at E3 and GC
-Scott Lowe from IGN and our favourite Arthur Gies try to argue that MS showed games running on retail units (which they didn't) and Sony is still running on devkits (which is normal) and somehow try to spin this into a negative for Sony and to have concerns about their production schedule, although we haven't heard a single rumour corroborating this
-Both look like idiots (for Gies nothing new)
Point out hypocrisy and you have a persecution complex.
Please point the individuals out. Using weasel words sucks.
Dlacy13g
Member
Ok so on one hand, I am not concerned that Sony hasn't shown a working PS4 in its final form factor. I am confident the system will work just fine.
That said, I do have a small amount of concern over heat and noise levels for that size of form factor. I think this is the main reason why many want to see one running in its actual retail form. Is it actually quiet, how hot will it actually get after an a few hours of game play...
That said, I do have a small amount of concern over heat and noise levels for that size of form factor. I think this is the main reason why many want to see one running in its actual retail form. Is it actually quiet, how hot will it actually get after an a few hours of game play...
immortal-joe
Member
....you think this shit will die in November. It'll go up to 11.
We have an Xbox 360 and a PlayStation 3 debug unit in the office, which we need to run at least some preview games. It's the reason I can't take (recent examples) Lost Planet 3 X360 and Puppeteer home to play to preview them.
You're right though that downloadable games run on retail units. I had no trouble downloading Spelunky to review on my PS3 at home.
You're also right that some retail games have their preview code as a downloadable, such as The Last of Us, which also runs on retail systems.
jockstrap74
Neo Member
Also add Sony have announced confirmed launch dates suggesting everything is on stream, however with Microsoft have not made a firm date known yet, suggesting they can change it without the need of another 180
(sorry couldn't resist the 180)So true.
Cboat hasnt exactly been reliable recently. Also, his info was far from left field like some of you think.
Future PhaZe
Member
Yea, I don't know why people keep glossing over this. There's a lot of shit in that box and I want my Ps4 to be silent and dependable.
Thanks for that spiel but all I wanted to do was make a point.
And now it's proven.
We can say the same about edge.
Source? How do these individuals determine what and what isn't a retail unit?
(As opposed to with PS4 where you just look at the device the controller is hooked up to determine it.)
Yes, I do.Because I made list of how All of GAF hates XB1 or PS4 or WiiU
Yes. That is exactly what I did.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
Panello says they are near final Dev kits that double as the consumer hardware, so no they aren't final retail units because that would suggest that they are done and ready to ship. Contradicts what panello said.
PS4 Dev kits don't double as consumer devices, so this isn't apples to apples. They could be just as close to finishing the consumer hardware as ms but are demoing games on the Dev kits, seeing as they don't double as consumer hardware.
Sony never said they were using final retail boxes, not did MS. Furthermore, don't we still have PS360 games shown at trade shows in alpha form on Dev kits and not retail consoles?
There isn't an ounce of controversy here. Period. Try harder ign.
megaspiderweb
Banned
Honestly he has a point and this goes for both major consoles which are due to release in a few months and for some reason, it does not feel as if both have completely got their shite together
Well it would appear you do.
So what you're saying is that none of what we saw so far will look like the way the look on retail units then.
Are you serious about this?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
um isnt the ps4 a pc?
so that means that they are running off of ps4 hardware!
so that means that they are running off of ps4 hardware!
I know you're joking, but combining this with the heat worries, it isn't untrue in the sense that because the processors are mobile, x86 processors, they generally run cooler anyway. People don't complain too much about laptops and how small they have gotten, the PS4's size isn't that big of a deal. PowerPC processors have always seemed to run quite hot, that was one of the many reasons Apple moved away from them.
dragonbane
Member
I'm pretty sure the situation was not different with the PS3 and 360 launch.
travisbickle
Member
So they're both running unfinished code on dev kits, but sony's dev kit kinda looks like a PC whereas MS's dev kit kinda looks like a retail unit.
Arc Christelle
Member
Is it possible to have one of these threads with out the comparison to the other camps?
Wait, of course not. But it is interesting to watch the console warriors appear, if not only to defend one thing, while shamelessly shitting up another.
Just an observation.
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Back on subject. I'm not worried. I'm sure it'll release, people will buy it regardless, and whatever happens happens, yada yada.
Wait, of course not. But it is interesting to watch the console warriors appear, if not only to defend one thing, while shamelessly shitting up another.
Just an observation.
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Back on subject. I'm not worried. I'm sure it'll release, people will buy it regardless, and whatever happens happens, yada yada.
Stealth_Cobra
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IGN are the best at teasing you with a news article, making you click it , only to load a stupid streaming one-minute-long video of a guy with absolutely zero charisma saying the exact same thing the headline said , without adding anything more or less. I mean, is it that hard to write a two paragraph article about news instead of making a lame video about said irrelevant news every time ?
iamshadowlark
Banned
I do believe Scott Lowe is a idiot. But at the same time, maybe he's on to something? Sure we're like 2-3 months away, but combined with the whole PS Meeting thing with them not even showing the box, maybe there are issues? Its possible.
At the same time this also makes sense that they don't use retail models at trade shows. Also note that Jim Ryan said that they've just started production fairly recently.
Sigh. At least you're consistent.
At the same time this also makes sense that they don't use retail models at trade shows. Also note that Jim Ryan said that they've just started production fairly recently.
Sigh. At least you're consistent.
Maybe, but at least I'll be hip deep in next Gen games and not thirsty for news.
This new generation is posing to cause lots and lots of bitter, bitter tears...
And well deserved, entitlement has become unbearable.
Oh, and the reason for the concert, dev kits are "buffed up, debug mode on" systems, which means, not the actual, final retail hardware. You wouldn't believe the cools thing running on a Wii dev kits that simply refused to run on the retail level hardware.
And well deserved, entitlement has become unbearable.
Oh, and the reason for the concert, dev kits are "buffed up, debug mode on" systems, which means, not the actual, final retail hardware. You wouldn't believe the cools thing running on a Wii dev kits that simply refused to run on the retail level hardware.
SniperHunter
Banned
you are full of shit. Sony always used weaker kits and moved to stronger hardware gradually. Remember Xbox One >>>> PS4 initially..
So back when experienced members of the games press were making an issue of Microsoft running demos off of pc's at E3, was that part of Sony's PR fund being put to work?