dragonbane
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Not the same situation at all. No one has problems with games running on devkits. They were games running on actual PCs at E3. That is far more concerning. Devkits are fine, because it is the final HW.
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IGN: Sony has yet to show anything running on PS4, using PCs [actually Dev-kits]
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Sorry, but Albert Penello isn't a legitimate source in my eyes. More like a guy MS sent over here to calm is down and feed us info so our outrage doesn't get loose on the Internet.
Running off a development environment VM. Very common.
What matters is the chip specs for the development kits. I believe the current kits are using final or near final specs, for both XBO and PS4. That is what is important. Size less so. They aren't using alpha PCs anymore.
And that big PS3 Tool that I posted on the other page? Turned into this around launch or shortly after.
Normal procedure.
And that big PS3 Tool that I posted on the other page? Turned into this around launch or shortly after.
Normal procedure.
Uno Venova
Banned
Was hoping to see who Opus was talking about when he said there were claims in this thread of shortages for the xbox one because of games running on devkits.
lazer_bean
Member
oh yeah!
Killing_Joke
Member
Sony - Showed off the OS, release date, and no delays. CONCERNED.
MS - Haven't seen the OS in action since reveal/E3 (unless i missed something), no release date, delayed 8 countries, and heavily rumored production issues. NOT CONCERNED.
MS - Haven't seen the OS in action since reveal/E3 (unless i missed something), no release date, delayed 8 countries, and heavily rumored production issues. NOT CONCERNED.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xb...ng-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html
Shocking news:XB1 now has nVIDIA GPU and W7 OS
Albert Penello:
Lastly anything that was shown on a box, was shown on near-final retail HW. Our Dev Kits and Retail Units are the same.
A PS4 devkit running the PS4 OS is not a PC
Opus Angelorum
Member
I'm arguing that point.
Some people are suggesting the small number of launch countries for the Xbox One is due (in part) to the games at E3 running on PC hardware. I think that is absolute nonsense.
Well if a certified Microsoft employee isn't a good enough source for you then fair enough. However, another source (no official credit) with contrasting information is. Fine.
dragonbane
Member
If there were rumours about Sony having production issues I wouldn't believe them either. Not Boyes, not Yoshida. You just can't do that, they will never tell you the truth or the whole picture. It is what it is, let's wait for launch.
I believe they are launching in only 13 countries at some yet to be announced date, and they are not releasing in Switzerland despite the three main languages there being French, German and Italian.
Erm, what else is part of this bad week?
JonathanPower
Member
I think final Devkits have basically the same silicon of the PS4 retail units. The only real difference is the software.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xb...ng-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html
Shocking news:XB1 now has nVIDIA GPU and W7 OS
Albert Penello:
Lastly anything that was shown on a box, was shown on near-final retail HW. Our Dev Kits and Retail Units are the same.
A PS4 devkit running the PS4 OS is not a PC
Running off a development environment VM. Very common.
That's a pygnosis devkit, I have one tucked away with source code for a beta version of one of their games on the hddJust to follow up my previous post, PS1 developers used things like this, which is PS1 hardware on PC cards :
Quoted because more people need to see this. Seems that most are just glossing right over it.
velociraptor
Junior Member
It seems quite funny that regular forum goers are more clued up than many of the 'gaming journalists' in the industry. It seems to me most of them actually know fuck all. Heh.
Even the "running on Alpha kits" thing is less concerning that most, although I imagined that Microsoft wouldnt want a repeat of e3 2005, where they were still running on Powermacs.
Sony's were quite similar as well. Im at work so I dont have all the time in the world
Sony's were quite similar as well. Im at work so I dont have all the time in the world
phosphor112
Banned
...Serious? So no extra RAM in the X1 devkits? I mean... it's very well possible to recompile everything and run it on the X1, but it seems a lot more efficient to have the dev library in the extra RAM so you don't have A) recompile everything or B)run the library code through the network on the fly.
Same goes for Belgium, three main languages are French, German and Dutch.
As countless others have said, there's quite a difference between a PC that is specced to match a PS4, and a devkit.
For example, while waiting to play NFS Rivals with a PS4 controller, the game crashed to a Windows 7 desktop with Origin and a command-line window running a script.
On the other hand, while waiting for the round to start in Battlefield 4, I pressed the PS button and got the PS4 OS menu, so unlike NFSR, it was a PS4 devkit.
One small correction, you don't need a devkit to play unfinished games; you can run them on a debug unit, which is what journalist do to preview upcoming games.
For example, while waiting to play NFS Rivals with a PS4 controller, the game crashed to a Windows 7 desktop with Origin and a command-line window running a script.
On the other hand, while waiting for the round to start in Battlefield 4, I pressed the PS button and got the PS4 OS menu, so unlike NFSR, it was a PS4 devkit.
One small correction, you don't need a devkit to play unfinished games; you can run them on a debug unit, which is what journalist do to preview upcoming games.
The Xbox 360 development kits didnt have any extra ram until the XNA kits boosted it to 1gb, which was a few years in.
Debug kits may not be ready yet, I would be more surprised if they did have them set already.
How quickly we forget the circumstances surrounding the announcement of the XBO that engendered the original concern when devs were displaying games on PCs specced like a devkit. Rumors of yield issues and other problems were much more persistent then. All well and good that an MS employee wants to come out now and say, "nothing to see here". I'm not sure how much bearing that has on the situation a couple of months ago.
MS, the bastion of honesty and truthfulness. Sony did exactly the same thing when their backs were to the wall last gen.
It's how it is.
fi3rypho3nix
Banned
Yep. I see unreal levels of pressure moving now from engineers and MS/Sony to folks in production, procurement, contracts, and assembly lines. Must be something to see.
SniperHunter
Banned
This thread is completely retarded. Sony probably has manufactured final PS4 units in a warehouse somewhere, but can those units run unfinished software? No they cannot! The software has to go gold first!
dragonbane
Member
I think that too, but at least there was a foundation to have some concern, especially since PCs don't show the true graphical fidelity either. They brought devkits to GC, so this was shot down. Even if they have production issues, they definitely have final HW available.
In this care here it is pure nonsense, since Sony showed stuff on devkits since E3. So it is not the same situation and at least I don't have a double standard.
Thanks.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Probably because most of us have been gaming for over 2 decades whereas some of the media didn't even own a PSX let alone a SNES or Atari
Saberus
Member
I agree, think most I'm this thread should know better also.
Trogdor1123
Member
Has anyone tweeted at this guy to correct him and actually gotten a response back?
sechsterangriff
Member
The wording in those tweets make it seem Sony was using equivalent spec PCs to showcase their games, when in reality they've just been using devkits. When the software isn't finished it's nothing but normal to only see it running on devkits, specially on public/press events. At best, the devkit as evolved enough to resemble the retail unit by the time the software is being shown. I mean what else are you supposed to expect?
In the end, this amounts to big bunch of nothing.
Now I can sort of see where the tin hat "IGN is favouring Microsoft" people are coming from...
In the end, this amounts to big bunch of nothing.
Now I can sort of see where the tin hat "IGN is favouring Microsoft" people are coming from...
Well the dtl-h2000 deck it cards are there (The actual devkit) the other cards are additional ones present in the modified kits psygnosis usedEven the "running on Alpha kits" thing is less concerning that most, although I imagined that Microsoft wouldnt want a repeat of e3 2005, where they were still running on Powermacs.
Sony's were quite similar as well. Im at work so I dont have all the time in the world
Sony's not giving out PS4 devkits to publishers for expos as they are concerned about them getting lost, I believe. Happened quite a few times in the past so it's a valid reason.
Also, in the past debug units arrived usually after a console has been released or very shortly before. So, I think those debug units are not done yet but will be at a later date.
His last tweet correct himself.
SEGAvangelist
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Opus Angelorum
Member
I'm not saying their hasn't been prior concerns, far from it.
You know what's going to happen though if Microsoft release ahead of Sony?
Reaction:
- Rushed to market
- Lower performance than stated
- Only 50 units available each country
And if they release after?
Reaction:
- Production issues confirmed
Neuromancer
Member
It's over for Sony. They blew it. I don't see how this could possibly be true and have this not result in a huge delay for them, maybe into 2014. MS is going to steamroll them.
I wouldn't have thought gamescom would have been about hands-on demos of remote play. I'd think Sony would do specific hands-ons with IGN and other sites a little closer to launch to get the hype moving, including remote play but also the OS in general. But Sony would reasonably want to do that once the software is pretty final.
GAF hive mindset and persecution complex. What else do you got.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
How can you correct him? He is now saying he is concerned because he hasn't saw a working PS4 squeezed in to it's own case I assume because of noise or heat issues.