Kazuma Kiryu
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It's incredible that some people believe microsoft changed policies because of a "vocal minority".
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Microsoft: Xbox One reversals haven't hurt us; "we're in an enviable position"
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It's incredible that some people believe microsoft changed policies because of a "vocal minority".
I guess you weren't around when everyone was bashing Sony back & forth in 2005 to 2007 concerning PS3, huh?
No one's being biased here, like you're trying to proclaim.
I have to say that Microsoft has done an unprecedented 180 (I didn't expect it at least) after the biting consumer backlash, as well as stepping up and doing a MUCH better job in communicating policy. I understand that there is a lot of ill will towards the company (some of which has been seen on NeoGaf as of late) and that's understandable, but they've been doing a much better job since the 180. I agree that there needs to be more value placed in the box before the paywall and mandatory kinect is still a bummer. It's pretty clear that the console was designed to be online/always on. That said though, I do plan on buying the Xbox One on launch. I think what they are doing with snap features is pretty cool and the Kinect tech looks way better than I thought (saw the tech demo on one of the Albert threads). Project Spark has promise and who can forget Titanfall. If nothing else, I'm excited for the POTENTIAL of the new xbox.
travisbickle
Member
That's how they got rid of their supply problem!
"We're going to have problems supplying consoles to 22 countries." "One second .... Erm, change this number here to 13. There you go, problem solved!"
Yes. I love first few years 360
even though it was loud as shit
Sony pulled me in with exclusives though and I find none of the exclusives on XB1 appealing enough to look beyond the $500 price tag.
Erm, excuse me bro, but wasn't that said period the "masturbate to Killzone 2 @ E3 showing" timeframe on Gaf?
FlashFlooder
Member
and the reason it's packed with Windows by default... because it's OS most consumers want. Again, consumers have their choice of operating systems. Show them a Linux PC and a Windows PC and most will choose Windows.
Why should MS be penalized for developing the more desirable OS?
I don't see anyone forcing Apple (or Google) to put a browser other than Safari (Chrome) on their iOS (Android) devices. Isn't that unfair?
Anyway, this is offtopic so I'll stop now. Sorry for the derail.
pokeystaples
Banned
First time Junior, long time lurker here. And I mean LOOOOONG time. It wasn't always this way. Sony got shit on quite a bit at the beginning of this generation.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
I seem too invested? Lol.. ya. I'm the one that keeps bringing up all these past things.
They dropped the stuff people don't like and didn't want. It's in the past. Just like things Sony did at the start of the PS3 gen are in the past.
It's time to get over it. Both next gen consoles are going to be great.
flyinpiranha
Member
DD is the future, all media will eventually be there, it's pretty simple. I don't physically own even a fraction of music and movies on physical media compared to 10 years ago. Although I still do have movies and music on Amazon, iTunes, etc ... digital versions.
It will happen when the right price/value comes into line, until that point I'm not on board. But with Steam I've proven that I could be.
Oh christ, what a stupid fucking statement. It's inevitable that ALL media will be going digital. It happened with Music and it's happening with Movies/TV. Can you still buy physical? Of course, but there will come a time where you won't see CD players in cars and it will all be digital. Movies are being watched/purchased more through digital every day and growing. Same with games. It's happening. I'm not exactly happy about it but just like music I've made the transition.
Until it's a viable price/value option for me, I'll stick with physical but eventually we won't see games on disks. Mobile gaming is HUGE and not a single game is sold physically. PSN, XBL, Steam, GoG, etc ... all digital services growing every day.
Are we at that point where digital is the majority? No, but there will be a paradigm shift eventually and I'll have to convert or not continue gaming.
Natureboy99
Banned
Dear PR guys of the world: you have no credibility because of this kind of stuff. People deserve more respect.
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
You really believe they are confident?
Is that why they are doing the apology tour?
How about the free FIFA? *while supplies last
At this point I can't tell if you are serious or just trolling.
I believe there IS a biased general concensus at communities like neogaf, but its fickle and the companies are solely responsible when the consensus shifts. Neogaf is is pro PS4 because it's the better deal on paper, and seem better organised and focussed and there is nothing wrong with betting on the fittest horse.
2005 maybe, but by E3 '06 Sony put on the dunce cap with "giant enemy crabs," "get a second job," and "599 US dollars" and couldn't live it down for years.
NeoGAF, as an entity, has a strong reaction to bullshit. They're not pro-PS4 "just because". They weren't pro-PS4 until after MS tried to fuck everyone over. Then Sony swooping in at E3 and dropping those bombs solidified things pretty well here.
So, yeah, it's probably pro-PS4 (you'll still find XB1 fans, I'm sure) but it's that way for an understandable reason.
Speaking for myself, I don't engage in console wars or fanboy wars, I don't care at all, but XB1 did legitimately alienate me with all of this nonsense and that's *part* of the reason I'm only getting PS4 in the forseeable future and will never get an XB1 for personal use unless the weight of irresistible exclusives is crushing down on me (Which I doubt will happen soon).
...no company would do that, though.
LOL camooooon, you were all still in a trance......I tried to tell yous all.
*shrugs*
Zatoichi's Cane said:
Sony's much more worried coming up to launch than MS. And you can take that to the bank.
This article talks about the reversals in the first place. The discussion in itself is about those "past things."
Frankly, even then it's not really in the past - not until MS reps outright say that those anti-consumer policies were a flat-out mistake on their part, and that they were in the wrong for ever trying to put them in place and deceive consumers of their nature in the first place. 'Til then, and until said MS reps stop trying to change the narrative to "consumers weren't ready" or "our message was wrong" or whatever else they come up with, people are going to keep calling them out on their bullshit.
semiconscious
Member
if they hadn't spent the last few years 'feeling themselves' instead of paying attention, they likely wouldn't've had to do any of this 180 shit in the first place
...flyinpiranha
Member
To be honest marketing trumps all good will or bad "vibe" on the internet. People will see a cool commercial and a huge display at the mall and not give a shit.
The biggest factor (IMO) right now is price. $499 vs $399 is pretty huge.
Hell, while I wasn't on Neogaf, another forum I was visiting at the time (Magic-box) was full of folks amused by the Killzone 2 footage, calling it out on being an obvious mock-up. For sure you had people who were readily drinking the Cell kool-aid, but it was hardly some unanimous acceptance.
Man, I was still in high school at the time... Heh.
Genuinely asking this - how do you come to this conclusion? Leaving aside MS dealing with 180s and whatnot, I don't see any indication of Sony being particularly worried about the upcoming console launch (As in more than would be expected; I'd assume it's a hectic time for any console manufacturer by nature of the situation)
Only if winning consumer mind was that easy.
And you wonder why Albert , MN are on GAF? Does it look like Yosp is in a panic mode in his twitter account?
hell even Albert said its up to them to convince the 100$ more expensive price.
The differences in the two PR campaigns around the PS4 and XB1 are striking.
Honesty vs. Obfuscation:
PS4: Big letters on the giant E3 screen explaining that you'll need PS+ for online gaming.
XB1: You don't need to be always online, but you'll need an internet connection.
Arrogance or lack thereof:
PS4: We feel like we're the challengers in NA.
XB1: We're in an enviable position.
Mistakes?:
PS4: We've learned from the mistakes we made with the PS3 and have made the PS4 as developer friendly as possible, and not repeat the pricing mistake.
XB1: Xbox One licensing plan was a little ahead of consumers
These are mostly paraphrased, but it's not hard to see why Sony seems to be gaining more traction from their messaging.
Honesty vs. Obfuscation:
PS4: Big letters on the giant E3 screen explaining that you'll need PS+ for online gaming.
XB1: You don't need to be always online, but you'll need an internet connection.
Arrogance or lack thereof:
PS4: We feel like we're the challengers in NA.
XB1: We're in an enviable position.
Mistakes?:
PS4: We've learned from the mistakes we made with the PS3 and have made the PS4 as developer friendly as possible, and not repeat the pricing mistake.
XB1: Xbox One licensing plan was a little ahead of consumers
These are mostly paraphrased, but it's not hard to see why Sony seems to be gaining more traction from their messaging.
yankeehater
Member
You have got to be kidding. You really dont think anyone on this site is biased towards Sony?
flyinpiranha
Member
It is if you have the dollars behind it. How many people bought Kinect? Came out of nowhere and was a huge sales boon. Barely any prior knowledge even though the "internet" was laughing at gifs and everything else online.
I'm not saying it's ONLY money but it's not the XB1 is a bad product, it has great games to go along with it. If it was an absolutely terrible product I would agree that money can only get you so far, but it's not.
Again, price is the biggest factor IMO.
Version 3.0
Member
What are you, a politician? Because sure, US politics is very much like that. And maybe big business executive culture. The rest of US culture, not at all.
That's my favorite point. The MS Surface bombed hard enough to make Microsoft lose money. Marketing isn't everything.
That's how I think Sony is going to counteract the marketing rush that is going to happen. Items sell, when the other people that own it, sell it to other people. The "Vocal Minority" that is hardcore gamers, also pre-order. They also determine exactly what is going to get good reviews. WE sell the consoles, not marketing.
3rdamention
Member
Yeah, last gen. However, we are talking Xbox One and this gen. It hasn't dominated anything, yet.
yankeehater
Member
They are talking about their current position, no one knows what will happen next gen, but right now they are in a very good position with having the console that has sold the most in the US for a bunch of months in a row. Only on the internet could saying your product is in a good position be taken as a negative thing.
flyinpiranha
Member
People have said the Vita is a great device. Wii U "has no gamez" but when it does, will people buy it? Hardcore didn't sell the Wii, they didn't sell the DS, they didn't sell Kinect.
Price is a HUGE factor and the Surface didn't even know what it wanted to be with RT and the cost of entry. For the price of a laptop I got a stripped down version of Windows. That's not really a comparable example. Of course marketing isn't "everything" but it is huge with consumers if the price allows for it.
Basically, what you're telling me is that WE sold Kinect, so why aren't we all buying XB1?
Or you can say that kinect rode the wii enthusiasm for 360 users. are you saying Zune and Surface were bad products? because both hit hard on heavy advertisement , yet failed miserably . neither were bad product.
marketing brings awareness , but it doesn't change people opinion .
Sony was shat on for years after launch and just started coming into their own around 2009. Selective memories are fun.
Version 3.0
Member
Probably a lot less than you think. I've seen GAF as a whole accused of bias towards every company, and seen the same leveled against individual members (myself included). More often than not, the accuser is the one with a bias. I don't know of anywhere else on the internet where videogame discussions are as objective and reasonable as they are here.
And right now, no, there is no significant Sony bias. Sony is doing things right at the moment, for the most part, and we are reacting positively to it. That's all. They were awful at this point last gen, and had a very poor image on GAF at the time - as Microsoft does now, deservedly.
GrumpyOutlander
Member
So I was really looking forward to having all digital games, and being able to take advantage of the Instant Switching feature. Does anyone know if that still works for digital games?
For example if i'm playing a game from the disc, and i'm waiting in a multiplayer lobby can I switch over to another digital game while I wait?
For example if i'm playing a game from the disc, and i'm waiting in a multiplayer lobby can I switch over to another digital game while I wait?
quickwhips
Member
They did the same thing for games for windows. I mean they tried charging people said no and MS said ok sorry.
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
Ok,
There is no way to seriously respond to your above comment, other than to assume you are just having fun.
I believe yes you still can.
SwiftDeath
Member
I think snapping games is the only real use case you CAN'T do
Not sure though but maybe
What does Smart Match do again?
flyinpiranha
Member
I definitely should have been more specific. I apologize. I'm talking about in the situation they are in now with the XB1 and relation to the PS4 and competition. I agree marketing isn't everything, that has been shown by more companies than just MS. But they have a good brand with the 360 and the "vibe" on the internet (I believe) can easily be trounced by a strong marketing campaign.
dragonelite
Member
I should have clarify what i meant with mistake.
Sony took away OtherOS and had the PSN breach massive amount of personal data was leaked into the wild..
Those sort of mistakes im not sure nintendo have made.
Microsoft had RROD at the start of current gen circle scratch on game disks.
These mistake are already forgotten by people and are for the most part only brought up in console war threads. Im not sure if nintendo had those cause im not following nintendo stuff.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
We're you around then? You must not have been because we collectively shat on the PS3 for its first couple years.
I'm only bringing this up for the people with a persecution complex.
The highlights for PS3
- Jeering at the Price
- Giant Crab and Ridge Racer
- Resistance looks like crap.
- Lair
- Heavenly Sword
- PS3 has no games!
- First KZ2 image
On and on and on and on but it was fully deserved by Sony just like MS has done everything to deserve it themselves
When DC starts dropping "Bro" he is typically in joke mode