Probably. I guessed that it would since it's coming a few weeks later and seems like it's so feature packed that it probably has to have its own separate review. Plus I'm not sure if anyone's even played it for review yet.
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Grand Theft Auto V - review thread [Embargo 3pm BST/7am PST]
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Probably. I guessed that it would since it's coming a few weeks later and seems like it's so feature packed that it probably has to have its own separate review. Plus I'm not sure if anyone's even played it for review yet.
Gentleman Jack
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Review embargo just lifted. Only an extremely small handful of people have played this game to completion and can get their voices heard. If they think there's a problem with the portrayal of women in video games, 'well what about x y and z' is not a good rebuttal. People pick their battles, and the conversation has only just begun.
A Sentient Keyboard
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Man, I went down the gamespot comment rabbit hole because I wanted to permanently damage my belief in the good of mankind, and yes, it's as bad as, if not worse than you would expect.
an opinion that is bigoted in nature should be bannable, yes.
opticalmace
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Burned by GTA4 hype? That's sort of how I felt. I liked the game but the hype was just insane.
I feel like waiting and seeing with GTA5.
She's not appreciating a work of art, she's giving it an "Editor's Choice" score despite "profound misogyny." This does not send a message to the video game industry that they need to work on their treatment of female characters if all that happens is a reduction in score from a Perfect 10 to an "Editor's Choice" 9.
If you complain that something is racist/sexist/homophobic etc., but still call it game/movie/book of the year then in my opinion you are tacitly endorsing that behavior.
Delusibeta
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I think you missed the ban by a good ten minutes.
Not terribly surprised that the misogyny card has been played (it's the first Rockstar game released since the Tropes vs Women incident, what were you expecting), but I am surprised to see only one site actively docking it marks for that. TBH, it's a bit hypocritical to call a game misogynistic and then give it 9/10.
Triggerhappytel
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It probably should be. It seems very broad, content-packed and deep, if their trailers are to be believed.
Because a comment calling out the misogyny of a video game is absolutely an accurate barometer for the quality of the product as a whole.
I'm not trying to disregard the issue, as I do think video games are definitely guilty of being misogynistic at times, but if "the game is profoundly misogynistic" is the only thing a video game reviewer can complain about the game is a freaking good game
don't get hung up on the details people.
yes. i do find it pretty damning that a number of reviews mention the negative portrayls of women yet still give it outstanding reviews. i mean on one hand yes, you can find aspects of media problematic while still enjoying it. i love plenty of things that way and it's a fine explanation. yet such a trend across a few reviews i've read and the overwhelming positivity kinda smells of a certain kind of milquetoast liberalism (you do enough to demonstrate how concientous you are, but not enough to condemn it in a meaningful way) and over-awe at rockstar's reputation. would they pull their punches if this was a handheld game from a small publisher rather than something with huge prestige and celebrated franchise. i feel maybe not. if you truly find the depictions of women egregious rather than satirical representations of the masculine culture the three leads live in surely that's more damaging than a minor niggle.
i do empathise with carolyn petit in particular though because if people are crying about one negative remark in an overwhelmingly positive review because of her reactions to the story as a woman, the reaction to a lower score for those reasons would be utterly ridiculous and out of control. i wouldn't wish those reactions on anyone.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Have there been any reviews by people who hated GTA IV?
paperboywriter
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im sure this was asked before, but which version is better? xbox oder ps3?
XANDER CAGE
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Because it clearly wasn't a big enough deal to drag the whole game down. If one joke in an otherwise excellent movie offends you, is the movie completely garbage? No, but it's still worth pointing out "hey this thing kind of bothered me, but the movie is still really good."
GTA is widely known to be a parody of American society. Just throwing that out there.
Burger
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As a man I am offended by the way men are portrayed in this video game.
Why do I only have the choice to play:
A) A rich middle-aged asshole with a cheating wife and 2 shitty kids.
B) An black gang banger who lives in the projects.
C) A dangerous hillbilly redneck who runs a meth lab and enjoys murder.
Why can't I play a strong, successful male character who has been to university and has a great career and is generally happy with life and doesn't have any personal issues?
Rockstar you shit heads, why can't you more accurately portray real life instead of parodying it?!
i agree with your point about the limits of a story in this kind of game, but if the story is not a selling point, then why have they gone on for months about the story of the game? they even championed the authenticity of the script by telling the media that they brought in real gangsters for voice acting. i also remember them mentioning that the 3 different playable characters gave them a chance to tell different sides of the story. the playground is certainly the biggest selling point, but story is huge in grand theft auto games. let's not forget the "oscar worthy" comment about gta4. that's my perspective anyway; your view is just as valid.
I love me some GTA, and I'm going to love GTA 5, but let's not pretend that Dan Houser is a great writer. He thinks he's Martin Scorsese when he's more like Uwe Boll. And they do try and sell the narrative as a selling point.
Even their satire is stale. Switching brands from their real world names to the name of a bodily fluid that sounds similar. Oooo you're a master of satire, Mr. Houser. It was funny the first time, over ten years ago.
So if someone complains about misogyny or the torture scene or any other part of the story it's probably valid criticism because the satire in GTA has become so stale it comes off like a bad comic saying, "boobs and cum-dumpster hur hur hur," and thinking it's novel.
Even their satire is stale. Switching brands from their real world names to the name of a bodily fluid that sounds similar. Oooo you're a master of satire, Mr. Houser. It was funny the first time, over ten years ago.
So if someone complains about misogyny or the torture scene or any other part of the story it's probably valid criticism because the satire in GTA has become so stale it comes off like a bad comic saying, "boobs and cum-dumpster hur hur hur," and thinking it's novel.
depths20XX
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GTA has been a parody of society from the very first game. It's over indulgent in everything. The radio ads have always been clearly parody.
I understand the issue with misogyny in gaming right now but I feel like the topic is trying to be shoved onto every thing that happens in a game ever.
It's like criticizing Blazing Saddles as being racist, you're missing the point. Everyone in the GTA world is basically a piece of shit. It's a horrible place. Perhaps the problem is that GTA doesn't try to say anything deeper and is just a stupid game.
I understand the issue with misogyny in gaming right now but I feel like the topic is trying to be shoved onto every thing that happens in a game ever.
It's like criticizing Blazing Saddles as being racist, you're missing the point. Everyone in the GTA world is basically a piece of shit. It's a horrible place. Perhaps the problem is that GTA doesn't try to say anything deeper and is just a stupid game.
Watch out, they [gamespot comments] have a petition going to fire the reviewer.
https://www.change.org/petitions/gamespot-staff-fire-carolyn-petit
https://www.change.org/petitions/gamespot-staff-fire-carolyn-petit
thats what i want
Nymphae
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Is that right? I'm all for banning assholes who are simply provoking people, but do we want to start banning people because they don't agree with us?
Magic Mushroom
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Thought this was a fun line in the Edge review:
I must say "Its GTA game!" is shitty excuse though, just because its a nature of the series doesn't mean they excused to make a very loose of stereotype in their game, like every women is prostitute or every character got abuse in their childhood without depth in the writing. Just saying.
SRTtoZ
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Mt Heart Attack
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Precisely. Are men portrayed in a good light in GTA games? In this case we have three male main characters and, going by the reviews, they're all despicable human beings (which, by the way, kind of bugs me, I was expecting Michael to be sort of like a post-retirement Robert de Niro from Heat).
Are you guys offended 99% of men in GTA games are hopeless, murderous assholes? Personally, the very thought never even crossed my mind. There are barely any positive characters in GTA games, everything and everyone exists as a sterotypical, exaggerated version of the real life counterparts. Like it or not, good or bad, it's satire. All this groundless misogny talk needs to stop, it's getting on my nerves, really.
Or whatever, maybe if I were a woman I would see things from a different perspective, it just seems like sterile criticism to me. Back to more relevant topics: what are reviews saying about gunfights (controls-wise, mainly)? I read through a couple of them and I already read more "spoilers" than I would have liked to so yea
F0rneus
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It's quite sad. One of the most hyped games ever. One of the highest reviewed titles this year. Tons of insightful reviews about how the storytelling is so powerful, it affects the player in ways most games can't imagine.
And here we are, with the ad hominem and the raging. Get it together internet. Jesus.
And here we are, with the ad hominem and the raging. Get it together internet. Jesus.
XANDER CAGE
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Not that your comment is particularly original or insightful, but I do have a hint for you: those dangerous men you can play as are empowered by their actions. None of them take any crap.
A game can be really good and still have some issues with sexism. Still waiting for a GTA game with a female protagonist who's just as nuts as the rest of 'em.
-COOLIO-
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A 10 in one persons eyes couldn't legitimately by a 1 or a 7 in another's?
Kadayi
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Agreed. It's frankly baffling that people are unable to understand that a review is essentially trying to parse a lot of different aspects. Generally with most games you can usually find a few faults. Whether it's a particular sequence, or control system or in this case a slight problem with portrayal and tone. Doesn't mean the game's necessarily bad, but that it doesn't quite hit the the right notes at times.
I think she quickly dismisses it because she is understandably gun shy about the entire disucssion. People on Gamestop comments post vile shit about her all the time. One week on the Gamespot podcast she mentioned how people were making a big deal out of her reference to misogyny in a game and her response was "It's just one sentence." I think the quick dismissal is her (admittedly unsuccessful) attempt to avoid being treated like dog shit.
The best thing she could do, though, is just learn not to be gunshy and own her criticism up front. I know that's easier said than done, though.
Bigotry goes beyond having a "different opinion." NeoGAF is a place where all kinds of people, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. are welcome, and attitudes that are unfriendly to any of those things are not welcome here.
That's because you must've played GTAIV my friend.
I want to know about this as well!
Also, guys, not to undermine the issue, but how about a separate thread for the whole misogyny/reviewer-bias-or-not thing? I'd rather hear about the game in the game's thread...
EDIT: Also, I'd like to hear more about those "many many many activities" to do in the game, instead of the story. 'Cause if most of them are as interesting as tennis and stock-market trade...
I would like to know this as well. I hated 4, and it's the only GTA game I have played.
This is just embarrassing.
MoGamesXNA
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It's not. I can't stand GTA IV but GTA V is another beast entirely. It's genuinely great (I've put 14 hours in so far).
I wasn't exactly gushing over it in the first couple of hours. But it really takes off once all the characters are introduced. My experience so far seems congruent with what's said in the 10/10 Edge review.
Hopefully I still think that in the next 50 hours or so that I put into it. There's so much to do in the game it's daunting.
I was being sarcastic; no need to try to lump me in with the poster.
MrCookiepants
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Carolyn Petit has always been annoying. Profoundly misogynistic. Oh, hush.
Wait, they're doing this all because the game got a 9.0? And that's a bad score?! Wow.
LQX
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Shit like this is always seemingly done buy people trying to make others look bad rather than some truly being that enraged enough to make writeup some petition.
There are ways to go about disagreeing with people. This isn't it:
What a joke this is:
This is all conjecture, but I'm going to go out on a limb and sarcastically comment that it's SUCH a shocker that a female/transexual game reviewer couldn't take this game in stride without mentioning misogyny.
The characters in the GTA world are crude, murdering gangsters, and misogyny is what "Carolyn Petit" is concerned about.
Only after googling her did I realize she was actually a he. We get it, you're trying to represent "femininity" and girl power by standing up for your new gender. This fact makes her sensitive journalism even more laughable.
Bigotry is not exactly conducive to healthy discussion.
Frankly, I don't like Carolyn as a reviewer, but that has nothing to do with her gender, sex or whatever. I just find her not suited for the job, some of her reviews were laughable IMO.
I don't know about this review, cause I haven't read it yet, but starting a petition to fire someone who rated a game 9, fucking 9, is beyond ridiculous.
I don't even know what to say. O_O
That's more like what I was talking about. Saying Luigi's Mansion 2 was too difficult, it's like saying the Divine Comedy is too short.
I don't know about this review, cause I haven't read it yet, but starting a petition to fire someone who rated a game 9, fucking 9, is beyond ridiculous.
I don't even know what to say. O_O
That's more like what I was talking about. Saying Luigi's Mansion 2 was too difficult, it's like saying the Divine Comedy is too short.
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