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[A Link to the Past]

As part of a minority group, I resent this. Prejudice against anyone should not be tolerated at all, it doesn't matter if it's against a minority or majority -- it's still a terrible thing. You're basically saying it's ok to ignore someone's suffering because they happened to be part of a majority. Something that they have no control in -- being born white, male, or what have you.

No individual should be slighted. I don't want someone to put more importance on the racism I experience because I'm Hispanic -- if someone is being racist to a white person, I'd want the exact same level of attention and I would expect the same punishment being handed out to the perpetrators.

What? I called prejudice against the majority unfortunate and not ideal.

 

[crun]

I feel sorry for the presenter. He was probably only confused and tried to not be offensive by referring to her as "person".

 

[Ensirius]

It appears in this situation that the presenter was unsure of the person's gender and to avoid insult used probably a worse insult. Which obviously caused upset. I can imagine that this has been a sensitive issue for her and she has had shit from people about her gender etc..

I'm wondering though, what do you do if you are unsure of someones gender? How do you ask in a way that isn't an insult?

Here's the best I could come up with:
"I'm sorry, but how do you wish to be referred to?"

It doesn't sound great to my ear.

Maybe just "Hey. Tell us your name" followed by "Which Xbone game have your enjoyed the most at the show floor?" And then proceed without worries of upsetting such person.

 

[remnant]

I said that? I must have blacked out for that. Or perhaps you're a gigantic manchild who cannot look at his own community and say "there is an element of it - a rather vocal, loud, and common element - that is extremely negative and isn't being dealt with well enough".

Also, I said XBL and WoW, not CoD and WoW. But since you mentioned that, there's also the Activision ad that promoted the word fag, and the Battlefield 3 event that excluded women as a result of the bad behaviour of male players involved. It's rewarding their bad behaviour rather than punishing them for it.

You're not clarifying things. You are moving goalposts. Granted it's a far more defensible position than "gamers are the worst group on the internet." position.

It appears in this situation that the presenter was unsure of the person's gender and to avoid insult used probably a worse insult. Which obviously caused upset. I can imagine that this has been a sensitive issue for her and she has had shit from people about her gender etc..

I'm wondering though, what do you do if you are unsure of someones gender? How do you ask in a way that isn't an insult?

Here's the best I could come up with:
"I'm sorry, but how do you wish to be referred to?"

He is a comedian on a stage performing. What are they odds that idea never popped in his head?

 

[IWKYB]

I like your agenda 'dere.

My statement was that the gaming community attracts bigots better than most if not all online communities due to the nature of the community. No one has contradicted that and, when I asked for examples, the most people could give was the music industry of which is far too general and far too massive to even provide further example. When people asked me to provide evidence, I showed how Tropes vs. Video Games poisoned any discussion of misogyny in video games because the people who were against the Kickstarter derailed those discussions. I provided multiple examples of companies in the gaming industry that restricted or derided homosexuals and/or women. How about that very recent incident where a journalist harassed models for the Tomb Raider game and verbally assaulted one of the female developers? It's a problem all the time because it happens all the time. Because you are so intent on coming up with your own interpretation to suit your own agenda, you cannot see the ultimate message. But that's fine. I've realized that people like you cannot be reasoned with. If you would like to continue with your conspiracy theory, then I am in no position to stop you.

They did wrong but you aren't doing any better generalizing and saying stuff like the majority can take it and the minorities need a handout. Could it be you have an agenda? Prejudice is wrong in any form even if it doesn't apply to us.

 

[Nephtis]

What? I called prejudice against the majority unfortunate and not ideal.

You did say that, but you also said it's not as bad. You're still putting someone's suffering above someone else's. It should all be equal. =\

 

[A Link to the Past]

You're not clarifying things. You are moving goalposts. Granted it's a far more defensible position than "gamers are the worst group on the internet." position.

He is a comedian on a stage performing. What are they odds that idea never popped in his head?

I said that the gaming community attracts fucktards. This says nothing about the gamers.

 

[remnant]

I'm afraid that your intepretation of what I said cannot mean that. What I said was that gaming is such a common activity that people on the Internet, especially YouTube, are probably gamers.

You are living in a bubble

 

[knkng]

It appears in this situation that the presenter was unsure of the person's gender and to avoid insult used probably a worse insult. Which obviously caused upset. I can imagine that this has been a sensitive issue for her and she has had shit from people about her gender etc..

I'm wondering though, what do you do if you are unsure of someones gender? How do you ask in a way that isn't an insult?

Here's the best I could come up with:
"I'm sorry, but how do you wish to be referred to?"

It doesn't sound great to my ear.

I'm not transgender, but I will openly contest that if you are you should not be offended by "this person". It's something that I've heard applied many times in real life towards both men and women. It's not at all deragatory. Sorry, but that's what I believe.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

I like your agenda 'dere.

My statement was that the gaming community attracts bigots better than most if not all online communities due to the nature of the community. No one has contradicted that and, when I asked for examples, the most people could give was the music industry of which is far too general and far too massive to even provide further example.

Nope. I, specifically, mentioned Twitter, YouTube, and fucking Stormfront as examples of non-gaming communities, and you handwaved by claiming that they're probably gamers anyways. Your "evidence" literally consists of "If they're a bigot, they're probably a gamer". That's what people are referring to when they say you live in a bubble.

And let's look at that music example. Have you visited /mu/ lately? Have you never listened to any misogynist lyrics?

When people asked me to provide evidence, I showed how Tropes vs. Video Games poisoned any discussion of misogyny in video games because the people who were against the Kickstarter derailed those discussions. I provided multiple examples of companies in the gaming industry that restricted or derided homosexuals and/or women. How about that very recent incident where a journalist harassed models for the Tomb Raider game and verbally assaulted one of the female developers? It's a problem all the time because it happens all the time. Because you are so intent on coming up with your own interpretation to suit your own agenda, you cannot see the ultimate message. But that's fine. I've realized that people like you cannot be reasoned with. If you would like to continue with your conspiracy theory, then I am in no position to stop you.

But again, this never happens in other communities, eh? Outside the "gaming community", everybody respects each other and gets along perfectly well - no sexism or racism or anything, right?




And you missed the point of my post, which was to point out that you're twisting everybody's words and shifting goalposts. Good job with that, though.

 

[A Link to the Past]

They did wrong but you aren't doing any better generalizing and saying stuff like the majority can take it and the minorities need a handout. Could it be you have an agenda? Prejudice is wrong in any form even if it doesn't apply to us.

I never said either of those things. What I did say was that the majority has more opportunities to glide over any discrimination or prejudice. The majority controls jobs, so they don't need to worry that they won't get a job for their skin or sexuality. I do not find it ideal that the situation is so unequal that this is true. Ideally we would have true equality, but that in itself is impossible because of how imbalanced society is.

 

[Smash]

Are you asking if your childish behaviour of taking statements that mean one thing and making it seem as though they mean something entirely different makes you a manchild?

I think you can be left to figure that out for yourself.

Gotta love the sense of entitlement PC warriors have in this forum. People have to walk on a minefield not to offend them and be labeled sexist or bigot or worse but the warriors can call a people manchildren and make accusations against anyone they want.

 

[Tesseract]

clearly it's all of us who're misinterpreting you, probably. please don't be childish, what we say isn't what we mean. this post will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

 

[IWKYB]

If you were being sarcastic about supporting that post(which your original post gives no indications of but whatever) then okay. If you however were serious, then I will definitely question your views on transgendered equality.

I believe in equality not selective equality. So yeah ideology I support being yourself as long as it doesn't harm others.

 

[Derpcrawler]

I like how she tells Haffington post that "evil internet trolls dug up and my phone number and harassed me" when she posted her number on twitter that day in hope that someone from Microsoft would contact her.
/facepalm

I really feel sorry more for comedian than her, looking at her twitter pic I would easily mistake her for otaku male or maybe a cosplayer as well. And we already figured that he only called her "this person" when he realized his mistake, not "it". She wanted to create drama, well she did it, only that drama just backfired on her.

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

Unfortunately it seems that I need to address what people interpret as me saying that "All gamers are bigots".

My original post clearly, definitively states that a portion of gamers are vicious and horrible people. That post cannot be interpreted to mean what people have come to think my statements on the matter to be.

The quote taken above clearly refers to a group of gamers, not gamers as a whole. As much as people seem to be very interested in twisting my words to mean one thing, it's not entirely twistable in this case.

The point is that your statement about some group of gamers is rendered redundant by the fact that malicious bullshit is to be found everywhere on the internet. Specifying the gaming community was a pretty obvious attempt to smear it.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Nope. I, specifically, mentioned Twitter, YouTube, and fucking Stormfront as examples of non-gaming communities, and you handwaved by claiming that they're probably gamers anyways. Your "evidence" literally consists of "If they're a bigot, they're probably a gamer".

And let's look at that music example. Have you visited /mu/ lately? Have you never listened to any misogynist lyrics?



But again, this never happens in other communities, eh? Outside the "gaming community", everybody respects each other and gets along perfectly well - no sexism or racism or anything, right?

I don't think you should be replying to anyone's post if all you can do is say things that only stupid or dishonest people would think their opposition is saying. I also recommend that you consider that you're comparing non-genre/medium-based websites such as YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, fucking Stormfront, etc. to the gaming community. Of course general websites of all special interest communities such as music, film, TV, video games, etc. are going to be worse than gaming. Except you can find gamers making these same statements on all of these websites - the exception being Stormfront which is a group devoted to bigotry, which is not what we're discussing. What we are discussing is that there exists a portion of the gaming community that is vicious and hateful, and that we should address it accordingly. Stormfront has nothing to be addressed and simply needs to be erased. This is why it is different.

I think you need to simmer down for your next post, though.

 

[Dead Man]

Grand Moff Tarkin's dead, dude. He died a long time ago. No need to drag him into this.

I didn't want to disrespect the dead, but he was the first person I thought of. Sorry

More like people on the internet in general. It's not some systemic phenomenon unique to the gaming community for fuck's sake and this meme needs to stop.

http://daily-grind.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/greaterinternetfuckwadtheory.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Just because it applies to groups in addition to gamers does not mean gamers should not be included in the discussion as that is what we are talking about.

 

[polyh3dron]

Well, yes, the act of consciously disrespecting someone and interpreting their post to mean something that it was clearly not intended to mean is an act of childishness.

I shall go on note to apologize for calling you a "manchild". I will not, however, apologize for calling you childish, for the same reason you seem to lack the intent to apologize for your misinterpretations.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84658189&postcount=2178
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84659029&postcount=2188

There I am acknowledging your position twice prior to the post that caused you to lash out at me. How did I misinterpret your position on this? Maybe you took my consolidation of your position into a single phrase for brevity's sake a tad too literally. But you should've known that I understood and addressed your position, seeing that you quoted me and replied to me multiple times prior to that. I still fail to see how my behavior in this thread has been childish, especially in comparison to your personal attack outburst.

Oh and thanks, I guess I've seen worse non-apologies.

 

[MarkMclovin]

When will people learn that taking stuff like this to twitter always back fires?

 

[IWKYB]

This thread needs to be locked. We never get anywhere on these sorts of issues back to Skyrim for me.

 

[A Link to the Past]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84658189&postcount=2178
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84659029&postcount=2188

There I am acknowledging your position twice prior to the post that caused you to lash out at me. How did I misinterpret your position on this? Maybe you took my consolidation of your position into a single phrase for brevity's sake a tad too literally. But you should've known that I understood and addressed your position, seeing that you quoted me and replied to me multiple times prior to that. I still fail to see how my behavior in this thread has been childish, especially in comparison to your personal attack outburst.

ITP: "Quote everything but the post that is being described as childish"

In the post that you did actually quote, you specifically misinterpreted my post to mean that gamers as a whole are bigoted.

 

[polyh3dron]

ITP: "Quote everything but the post that is being described as childish"

In the post that you did actually quote, you specifically misinterpreted my post to mean that gamers as a whole are bigoted.

Maybe you took my consolidation of your position into a single phrase for brevity's sake a tad too literally. But you should've known that I understood and addressed your position, seeing that you quoted me and replied to me multiple times prior to that.

Maybe you took my consolidation of your position into a single phrase for brevity's sake a tad too literally. But you should've known that I understood and addressed your position, seeing that you quoted me and replied to me multiple times prior to that.

Maybe you took my consolidation of your position into a single phrase for brevity's sake a tad too literally. But you should've known that I understood and addressed your position, seeing that you quoted me and replied to me multiple times prior to that.

.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

I don't think you should be replying to anyone's post if all you can do is say things that only stupid or dishonest people would think their opposition is saying. I also recommend that you consider that you're comparing non-genre/medium-based websites such as YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, fucking Stormfront, etc. to the gaming community. Of course general websites of all special interest communities such as music, film, TV, video games, etc. are going to be worse than gaming. Except you can find gamers making these same statements on all of these websites - the exception being Stormfront which is a group devoted to bigotry, which is not what we're discussing. What we are discussing is that there exists a portion of the gaming community that is vicious and hateful, and that we should address it accordingly. Stormfront has nothing to be addressed and simply needs to be erased. This is why it is different.

I think you need to simmer down for your next post, though.

No, you're being deliberately obtuse. My point is not to compare mediums, but to point out that people act like jerks everywhere on the Internet, not just in the "gaming community". That shouldn't even need explaining, but you seem unable to grasp that anyways.

 

[Pezking]

Dude got banned.

Hopefully not for that posting?

He definitely has a point.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Mmm. I would say sort of, insofar as you're giving plenty of benefit of the doubt to the presenter and none to the journalist. I think it's entirely reasonable with what we know now to say that the presenter most likely meant no harm and the error was inadvertent. I don't think it's reasonable to then go on to say that the journalist's reaction was driven by malice. She slightly exaggerated an event that happened that hurt her feelings, as all of us humans tend to do, especially when talking to our friends, and generally without even noticing we're doing it. I don't think it's fair to say that she deliberately set out to hurt the presenter.

I think if you read the original set of tweets (in the OP) you are being too charitable.

"Hope someone from Microsoft sees this," seems to strongly indicate that Laura was trying to hurt the presenter's relationship with his employer.

The "Screw not naming and shaming" post, after telling the Twitter world the guy's last name, strongly indicates Laura wanted him publicly shamed.

Laura then went and gave out the presenter's Twitter address, and immediately followed up with another Tweet saying "I'm fed up with 'being professional' , from now on I public ally [sic] shame those who make me feel like shit." This clearly shows Laura not only wanted the presenter publicly "shamed," she was giving her Twitter followers the information needed to contact him and express their own outrage.

I don't know how you can possibly look at Laura's own words in those tweets and suggest there wasn't a deliberate act of vengeance in play, put into motion by this so-called "journalist." And the malice is readily admitted to in the Tweets.

I would find it admirable that you seek to give "the benefit of the doubt" to Laura, if there actually was a shred of doubt to give. But it seems pretty clear that there isn't much doubt, if any, that Laura's motives were clearly to hurt the presenter's employment, and to publicly shame him for hurt feelings.

 

[A Link to the Past]

The point is that your statement about some group of gamers is rendered redundant by the fact that malicious bullshit is to be found everywhere on the internet. Specifying the gaming community was a pretty obvious attempt to smear it.

Really? My post where I say that there is a problem with the gaming community is clearly an attempt to smear it rather than point out that there exists a problem?

Of course other communities have this problem - I never denied that (despite the assertions of others). However, from the very onset of this discussion I have asserted that it doesn't matter what problems exist. It's not a general problem that can be addressed by addressing Internet anonymity, the problem in the context of our community needs to be addressed.

 

[polyh3dron]

Hopefully not for that posting?

He definitely has a point.

he got banned most likely for the very last word in that post. look at it carefully.

edit: here it is so you don't have to go searching

If I was the employer for the journalist, I'd fire him.

 

[Wazzy]

Hopefully not for that posting?

He definitely has a point.

No he does not.

Calling someone "It", especially someone transgendered, is offensive. End of story. He has no right to claim what other people should or shouldn't be offended by.

Not to mention calling her a him.

 

[A Link to the Past]

No, you're being deliberately obtuse. My point is not to compare mediums, but to point out that people act like jerks everywhere on the Internet, not just in the "gaming community". That shouldn't even need explaining, but you seem unable to grasp that anyways.

I am not being obtuse. I've had one point and I've stuck to it. It's your problem that you cannot understand it or rather would prefer it to mean something else. If you think my original post should not have been made, then you are wrong. Any community, be it music, film, TV, etc. where this situation would come up or could come up, it should be made the same there. But on that note, do we legitimately see nearly as much anonymous hate towards minorities there as we see in the gaming communities? On TV it's usually hating people for disagreements on TV shows.

 

[Vagabundo]

I'm not transgender, but I will openly contest that if you are you should not be offended by "this person". It's something that I've heard applied many times in real life towards both men and women. It's not at all deragatory. Sorry, but that's what I believe.

It all depends on the context.

I believe people in the audience laughed at her when the presenter said it. It could have been benign and people laughed, because it was obvious that the presenter was unsure of her gender identity. Obviously a fuck up for the presenter if so, and he admits he would be more careful in the future, but it still hurts being the butt of someone's joke, especially when transgender people have to put up with that kind of joke all the time.

 

[polyh3dron]

I am going to take a wild guess and say that you don't have anywhere near the same level of participation in any other online communities, because if you did, you wouldn't be making this bold, baseless accusation:

So yes, the gaming community more so than any online community contributes the most fucktards.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Hopefully not for that posting?

He definitely has a point.

He really doesn't have a point. Just because the word has no effect on the banned poster doesn't mean that it's okay. I cannot identify with the pain of being called an "it" but I can definitely understand why it hurts.

 

[dosh]

I like your agenda 'dere.

My statement was that the gaming community attracts bigots better than most if not all online communities due to the nature of the community. No one has contradicted that and, when I asked for examples, the most people could give was the music industry of which is far too general and far too massive to even provide further example. When people asked me to provide evidence, I showed how Tropes vs. Video Games poisoned any discussion of misogyny in video games because the people who were against the Kickstarter derailed those discussions. I provided multiple examples of companies in the gaming industry that restricted or derided homosexuals and/or women. How about that very recent incident where a journalist harassed models for the Tomb Raider game and verbally assaulted one of the female developers? It's a problem all the time because it happens all the time. Because you are so intent on coming up with your own interpretation to suit your own agenda, you cannot see the ultimate message. But that's fine. I've realized that people like you cannot be reasoned with. If you would like to continue with your conspiracy theory, then I am in no position to stop you.

You really don't spend much time on music and movies forums/twitters/websites do you? The only reason you can find tons of recent articles about sexism in the video games community is because that particular community is slowly realizing such issues actually do exist.

But these issues (sexism, anti-gay remarks, etc.) have existed in the gaming industry and community long before everyone talked about them. As they have in the music and cinema industries and communities. You really need examples of women feeling harassed or presented as objects in music and movies? Examples of people being vocal about it?

Do the gaming community attracts more bigots? I don't know. It attracts younger people, so there might be that. But more bigots? That's stretching it.

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

Really? My post where I say that there is a problem with the gaming community is clearly an attempt to smear it rather than point out that there exists a problem?

Of course other communities have this problem - I never denied that (despite the assertions of others). However, from the very onset of this discussion I have asserted that it doesn't matter what problems exist. It's not a general problem that can be addressed by addressing Internet anonymity, the problem in the context of our community needs to be addressed.

The thing is, it absolutely is a general problem. The fact these people play games has bugger-all to do with how they behave online. You think /v/ says and does the shit it does because it's a gaming community? Nonsense. It's because it's full of introverted socially awkward teens/young adults with an avenue(ie anonymity and an audience) to vent their frustrations in life. Zeroing in on the fact people like this play games is a total missing-the-forest-for-the-trees situation.

 

[A Link to the Past]

The thing is, it absolutely is a general problem. The fact these people play games has bugger-all to do with how they behave online. You think /v/ says and does the shit it does because it's a gaming community? Nonsense. It's because it's full of introverted socially awkward teens/young adults with an avenue(ie anonymity and an audience) to vent their frustrations in life. Zeroing in on the fact people like this play games is a total missing-the-forest-for-the-trees situation.

It's a lot easier to address a tree than a forest.

 

[Pezking]

he got banned most likely for the very last word in that post. look at it carefully.

edit: here it is so you don't have to go searching

Ah, okay. Thanks. I agree then with that banning.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

I am not being obtuse. I've had one point and I've stuck to it.

Your one point has been that "the gaming community more so than any online community contributes the most fucktards". Stop trying to deny that.

It's your problem that you cannot understand it or rather would prefer it to mean something else. If you think my original post should not have been made, then you are wrong. Any community, be it music, film, TV, etc. where this situation would come up or could come up, it should be made the same there. But on that note, do we legitimately see nearly as much anonymous hate towards minorities there as we see in the gaming communities? On TV it's usually hating people for disagreements on TV shows.

Yes, it does. Wikipedia has an entire article on sexism in rap alone, and there was an entire Congressional hearing about it. And that's just one genre.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture

These issues come up just as much in other communities as they do in gaming, and the fact that you argue it doesn't shows that you do indeed live in a bubble.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

It all depends on the context.

I believe people in the audience laughed at her when the presenter said it. It could have been benign and people laughed, because it was obvious that the presenter was unsure of her gender identity. Obviously a fuck up for the presenter if so, and he admits he would be more careful in the future, but it still hurts being the butt of someone's joke, especially when transgender people have to put up with that kind of joke all the time.

It's very possible the crowd wasn't laughing at a joke, so arguing that "it hurts being the butt of someone's joke" is you assuming what happened, and that isn't fair.

This:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nervous_laughter

Is a common human response to when people see other people fuck up, even innocently and inadvertently, so Laura hearing laughter doesn't mean she was being made fun of...it may have been another one of Laura's misreads (of which there seem to be plenty.)

Fact is, we just don't know because we don't have any reliable information.

 

[TOYCOFFIN]

I really don't want to sound like a douche and I'm fully supportive of gay, lesbian, transgendered, and bisexuals, but can you really blame the comedian for not knowing the gender of this person? Looking at her pictures, I would have instantly assumed it was a man.

The presenter was probably embarrassed himself, so he used "this person" instead. I really don't see the issue with "this person" when one is confused on the gender of an individual.

The bottom line is, some dudes look like chicks, some chicks look like dudes, some adults look like children, and some children look like adults. Instead of immediately picking a label and designating someone as a particular gender or age, riding the middle of the road with "this person" seems more than fair.

 

[Derpcrawler]

No he does not.

Calling someone "It", especially someone transgendered, is offensive. End of story. He has no right to claim what other people should or shouldn't be offended by.

Not to mention calling her a him.

But no one called her "it", if we to believe eyewitnesses. We had at least 2 users first day in this thread, who saw this whole situation in person during EG Expo. They were first to say that comedian didn't tell anything offensive and it was honest mistake when he thought she was a male, that after realizing it he called her "this person". She herself backtracked on this statement and toned down her allegations and shifted her message to internet trolls and transgender haters in general.

I might be wrong, but I somewhat agree with this user, maybe his post is worded wrong, but making a huge deal of this whole situation just because you think you was insulted is a bit over the top, since again there is high chance she didn't refer to her as "it" at all, and he definitely didn't call her "he" or "guy" after he realized that this person is transgender. Same with websites that jumped on this story without checking the facts and generally took her side.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Your one point has been that "the gaming community more so than any online community contributes the most fucktards". Stop trying to deny that




Yes, it does. Wikipedia has an entire article on sexism in rap alone, and there was an entire Congressional hearing about it. And that's just one genre.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture

These issues come up just as much in other communities as they do in gaming, and claiming that it doesn't shows that you do indeed live in a bubble.

This discussion relates to the gaming community and other communities using anonymity on the Internet in order to be fucktards. That article, while a fair point on the music industry in general, is not relevant to the subject of anonymity or even the community as much as it is the producers of rap content.

 

[A Link to the Past]

But no one called her "it", if we to believe eyewitnesses. We had at least 2 users first day in this thread, who saw this whole situation in person during EG Expo. They were first to say that comedian didn't tell anything offensive and it was honest mistake when he thought she was a male, that after realizing it he called her "this person". She herself backtracked on this statement and toned down her allegations and shifted her message to internet trolls and transgender haters in general.

I might be wrong, but I somewhat agree with this user, maybe his post is worded wrong, but making a huge deal of this whole situation just because you think you was insulted is a bit over the top, since again there is high chance she didn't refer to her as "it" at all, and he definitely didn't call her "he" or "guy" after he realized that this person is transgender. Same with websites that jumped on this story without checking the facts and generally took her side.

I don't understand why people keep using this argument. The user was arguing that she should not have been upset about being called it, even if she wasn't called it. His point was to say that she shouldn't care.

 

[itsgreen]

Not to mention calling her a him.

I am sorry, I have tried really hard not to get involved in this topic. But she looks (on her Twitter) like a guy with a colored wig. There is some ambiguity there. Let me be clear: everybody deserves respect. But it isn't that strange for people to be confused on her gender or intentions. Be real: when all you do is wear a rainbow wig you can't expect people to address you as a woman.

 

[Pezking]

No he does not.

Calling someone "It", especially someone transgendered, is offensive. End of story. He has no right to claim what other people should or shouldn't be offended by.

Not to mention calling her a him.

Yeah, I've missed that calling her a him. I agree, that wasn't very nice.

But MrRegularGuy never argued that calling someone "it" isn't offensive. It's just that this instant public shaming of other people through social networks might not be the best way to handle such situations. Especially in cases like this one here, where after 5 days of discussion it's still not clear if that presenter was deliberately offensive to her, or if he was honestly confused about her gender.

This should be verified first before going public. And especially a journalist should handle such situations more professionally.

 

[polyh3dron]

I don't understand why people keep using this argument. The user was arguing that she should not have been upset about being called it, even if she wasn't called it. His point was to say that she shouldn't care.

And where does the post say that she shouldn't be upset? Read it again.

Edit: beaten.

 

[A Link to the Past]

And where does the post say that she shouldn't be upset? Read it again.

Edit: beaten.

He said that it was trivial, that he would have shrugged it off, and said that she was acting like a "special snowflake" for becoming upset.

 

[Nephtis]

Yeah, I've missed that calling her a him. I agree, that wasn't very nice.

But MrRegularGuy never argued that calling someone "it" isn't offensive. It's just that this instant public shaming of other people through social networks might not be the best way to handle such situations. Especially in cases like this one here, where after 5 days of discussion it's still not clear if that presenter was deliberately offensive to her, or if he was honestly confused about her gender.

This should be verified first before going public. And especially a journalist should handle such situations more professionally.

The sad thing is, the only people even bothering to verify such things are commenters. The sites that went and jumped the gun have been awfully quiet. Kotaku is the only site I mention because it's the only one I go to, but man, that journalistic integrity has been going down the drain lately. It's sad.

Oh wait, they're a blog. Isn't that their stance when something like this happens? journalism when they're right, blogging when they eff up. =\

 

[polyh3dron]

He said that it was trivial, that he would have shrugged it off, and said that she was acting like a "special snowflake" for becoming upset.

Not exactly.

Hope you don't mind me reveling in the irony here.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Not exactly.

Not exactly, no; he has a perfectly valid point that going to social networking with her problems on the matter was rather harsh. That doesn't change the fact that he was suggesting that being called "it" is not a big deal. You'll also have to elaborate where the irony lies (but not the salt).