I don't think he meant the presenter, presenter just seems like how anyone put in an awkward position would act on the spot. It's more the reaction from a lot of the community online, though we really shouldn't be surprised about that at this point.
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Transgender journalist at EG Expo called "this person" on stage at MS event (See OP)
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Maidenpool?
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I didn't know about the death threats... ya that's a bit out of line to say the least.
DrippySpaff
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The guy should have laughed it off and made no mention of it afterwards.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Why should the comedian laugh it off?
...You mean the presenter, right?
That's interesting. I heard someone mention a forum as well, but I don't know the details really. I guess that's another possible corroboration on history of ... embellishments.
Maidenpool?
Member
I didn't know about the gaming community reacting like this. I mean, if by gaming community, you mean a bunch of 13 year olds who shouldn't have twitter accounts or any social media pages in general.
A Link to the Past
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I don't think he did, but we shall see
That is a large portion of the gaming community yes. Unfortunately we're not so fortunate that the death threats are only being sent by these 13-year-olds.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Or simply that people say mean things on the Internet. Surprise!
I wish there was a rule that anyone claiming that they received a thousand death threats over anything had to prove it. So tired of seeing that like it's a common thing.
The gaming community is as vile and hateful a place as you want it to be.
The gaming community is as vile and hateful a place as you want it to be.
That was witch hunt by a bunch of transphobic assholes.
A Link to the Past
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People who have very similar interests and target specific groups of people
polyh3dron
Banned
More like people on the internet in general. It's not some systemic phenomenon unique to the gaming community for fuck's sake and this meme needs to stop.
TheRedSnifit
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Have you considered that this case may be confined to gamers because - wait for it - it was related to gaming?
Maybe you should take a break from the gaming community and see what the rest of the Internet is like. SPOILER: It's not much better.
A Link to the Past
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More like people on the internet in general. It's not some systemic phenomenon unique to the gaming community for fuck's sake and this meme needs to stop.
Except how often can you claim that someone with true anonymity goes onto the Internet, harasses someone, and also doesn't self-identify as a gamer?
The gaming community is probably the biggest contributor to this "meme". I go on Facebook and see someone talking about the blacks or the gays and guess what? They're using their picture, they're using their face, they've got tons of information. People who go and anonymously harass people are typically gamers.
JasonUresti
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More like people on the internet in general. It's not some systemic phenomenon unique to the gaming community for fuck's sake and this meme needs to stop.
Indeed, anonymity is like alcohol in the way that it can reveal the truth of what a person thinks or feels.
Grand Moff Tarkin's dead, dude. He died a long time ago. No need to drag him into this.I imagine the tone of voice used could make a big difference, if Grand Moff Tarkin called somebody this person for example, I imagine it would be quite insulting
A Link to the Past
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So your assertion is that a group of people that do not identify as gamers yet also harass and threaten minorities are as widespread and vicious as the group of gamers that revel in making such death threats
What is this group? Or are you saying it as a hypothetical? Then yes, I agree that theoretically, a group of non-gamers could do the same thing if they so chose. Even in situations where a person isn't actively participating in a gaming discussion, you're bound to find people exercising their anonymity while making these threats likely play games in between.
The sooner people embrace the fact that their hobby of choice attracts some shitheads, the sooner the shitheads feel a lot less welcome.
Can you breathe in that bubble? You really think only gamers post anonymously?
Youtube alone proves you wrong.
I'm guessing you've never seen twitter/youtube comments for something involving music/movies in your life.
Hell, there's a thread in OT once a month it seems about racist/bigoted comments on Twitter on subjects that have nothing to do with gaming.
Morrigan Stark
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Pretty sure this is blatantly false.
Yeah, I'm afraid you might be right. It's a shame that she screwed up so badly. I'd like to think she was just hurt and lashing out, but at the same time, she did say she was doing this deliberately ("being unprofessional" and "naming names"), so... yeah.
Still doesn't remotely excuse the horrific transphobic backlash she got, mind you. But by misrepresenting what happened, both about the comedian and the phone number tracking which she posted herself (seriously, WTF? why would any sensible person post their phone number on Twitter like EVER?), can only hurt her credibility and career. :\
TheRedSnifit
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Internet users who do not identify as gamers display similar amounts of douchebaggery as users who do identify as gamers. Examples: YouTube. Twitter. Stormfront. Any place on the Internet with people who do not identify as gamers.
polyh3dron
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I bet they all listen to music too.
Those music listeners, such bigots.
I'd love to see some data to back this up BTW. I see twitter, tumblr and facebook douchebags all the time that don't identify as gamers. I too think you may have trouble breathing in that bubble you are obviously in.
A Link to the Past
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Are people demanding so fervently that I criticize every community known for threatening to assault, kill, rape, etc. minorities in a discussion that relates only to one of those?
This is not a greater problem that is caused by simple anonymity. It's a problem caused by the fact that the gaming community is very, very inviting to people that benefit from anonymity.
Being mild compared to genocidal dictators still leaves ample room for being a disgusting human being. Just sayin'.
I have some issues with this phrase, because it seems to look at at name-calling in a vacuum. I mean, we supposedly use it around kids to teach them not to overreact to senseless, childish stuff like being called a big stupid doodoohead on the playground, but I think the implications are different when it comes to someone attacking a part of your identity like race, sexuality, or gender. Is it good to have some restraint in how you respond to things? Absolutely, but that's a far cry from saying that you should never stand up for yourself in the face of any amount of verbal abuse. I don't know if "words" can really hurt or not, but bigotry can hurt and words are often used to deliver it.
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revolverjgw
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Is A Link to the Snitch being serious with this "dickheads are all gamers" mantra or am I missing the joke? I'm afraid to respond seriously. There is no difference in this regard between this and the other subcultures I dabble in
A Link to the Past
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The industry regularly encourages/rewards bad behaviour among its players. Gaming regularly and actively has players competing and discussing with each other more so than ever. Music is not a "multi-player" affair. There are clear and distinct differences between listening to music and playing video games. A better comparison would be a diehard of music and a diehard of video games - except for the fact that video game diehards are far, far more common. The music industry also isn't as limited as the video game industry. Anyone of any race, sex, gender, etc. can find something quite easily that will satisfy them. There is also no such association within the music industry where a group of people are chomping at the bit to attack people unlike them. The video game industry is notable for this group of manchildren. No matter what you think of Tropes vs. Video Games, the group of people who attacked it were explicitly vicious and went on a complete tirade against women/misogyny in general - so much so that it becomes impossible to discuss either of those two things in the context of gaming without serious thread derailment.
So yes, the gaming community more so than any online community contributes the most fucktards.
Wasnt taking about death threats but in general of overreaction, like your post. Seems you have a problem. Assume much?
Have you ever seen a music subculture before?
It's sexist to imply that people you don't like aren't "real men." It's a long standing legacy of male gender socialization that "manhood" has to be earned. People who try to take it away call them "manchildren," like they have any right to decide who a "real man" is. It's an embarrassing term to use.
It's one of the most discussed things all year long. This one alone is on page 44. It doesn't really ever get derailed into off topic stuff.
A Link to the Past
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I actually didn't say that, what I did say was that most people you would see on the Internet exercising their anonymity to harass people likely play video games. Are people really being serious with this repeated deflection of claims that the gaming industry fosters the dickheads more so than any industry I've ever seen? How can it be so common that pretty much any situation involving transgender people, homosexual people, females, etc. erupts into mindless trolling and/or serious bigotry?
So your takeaway from this situation is that we should judge large groups of people based on the actions of a few? That seems like the wrong lesson to learn from this whole mess.
I wonder if you count yourself among these vile "gamers" that are clearly ruining the world. Or are you "one of the good ones".
A Link to the Past
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My post literally only made the claim that the gaming community has a serious problem with bigots. You think it's an overreaction to say nothing more than "that was an unacceptably vicious response to someone experiencing what they felt to be transphobia"?
karasu
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A Link to the Past
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That you're taking this personally either means that you need to take a chill pill or, deep down, you feel that you are one of the people that needs to become more educated on things. Choose.
My very first post on the matter is that the portion of gamers that attacked her were bad and that this situation continued to make their badness more visible. It has no alternate interpretation.
MrRegularGuy
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There are times that I worry about society...
If someone called me "it", I'd shrug it off. It's not as if they punch me in face and then had sex with my mother. But nowadays, everyone's a special snowflake, and getting called "it" warrants to take to social media and journalism sites, crying about social injustice.
There are legitimate times to complain, and that was not one of them. If you were offended, you privately and calmly discuss the issue with the individual like a big person should do
... Or in severe cases, you take it up with their employers privately.
You do not bring such a trivial matter out into the public over social media sites and news sites like a ten year old would... If I was the employer for the journalist, I'd fire him.
If someone called me "it", I'd shrug it off. It's not as if they punch me in face and then had sex with my mother. But nowadays, everyone's a special snowflake, and getting called "it" warrants to take to social media and journalism sites, crying about social injustice.
There are legitimate times to complain, and that was not one of them. If you were offended, you privately and calmly discuss the issue with the individual like a big person should do
... Or in severe cases, you take it up with their employers privately.
You do not bring such a trivial matter out into the public over social media sites and news sites like a ten year old would... If I was the employer for the journalist, I'd fire him.
TheRedSnifit
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The music community does too. So does the movie community, the art community, and every other community out there. And other communities do exist, regardless of whether or not you participate in them.
Examples: Twitter is not a gaming community, yet its users tend to be asses. Ditto with YouTube, and /mu/. Stormfront isn't a gaming community either, yet they're all bigots. Why do you ignore these communities? Do they not exist?
Overreaction feeds the trolls regular people are far more respectable. Most gamers could care less about these things just like most of the assholes troll for the hell of it. The internet does not equal all gamers. Asses what happened here and why it went down the way it did.
A Link to the Past
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Before I say anything further, I need to know if you are male or female (and on top of that, whether you are transgender).
PairOfFilthySocks
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You're trying to establish internet assholery as being enedemic in only the gaming community. That's total bs. Proof: a quick trip to youtube comments.
no, you mostly see that because you go to a gaming forum, and you have convinced yourself that this community is vile, so everyone else is vile. You no longer demand proof to hold up these claims. You want to believe, badly, that this subculture fosters these "dickheads" you speak of, so with no stats, no evidence, no nothing, that you can't even imagine some people who don't see the world as "gamers=bigots."
Best post yet, bravo! In before you are called an asshole uneducated gamer.
A Link to the Past
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How it went down was that someone had a bad episode relating to perceived transphobia (and the lack of an acceptable way to voice her concerns). After she went to the "next best outlet", she received harassment, insults, and death threats. I wouldn't have made that statement if this was the first time this has happened.
It's not the first time it's happened. It happens all the time. Not only that, but it's encouraged. So yes, I am going to assess the situation along with the many other similar situations because there is a serious problem if we don't accept that a part of our community is very vicious and exclusionary.
ElectricKaibutsu
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"Gamer" is way too broad a term. You think the people excited for the remaster of Flower on PS4 are the same people making death threats? Who are these bigots who claim to be gamers? What games do they play?
Dude got banned.
A Link to the Past
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Microsoft and Activision have historically banned players from announcing their homosexuality online. The stated reasons from both is that the reaction to this fact creates such a disturbance that it needs to happen. This tells us that the problem is so severe that it is easier to ban mention of homosexuality - positive or negative - on Xbox Live and World of Warcraft instead of banning people for harassing people for their sexuality.
Wow. Just wow.
A Link to the Past
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Yeah I know! I can only assume that he is a male non-transgender person and, as such, has no authority telling transgender people how they are allowed to react to being called an "it" - a common word used as an attack on transgender people.
She wasn't called an "it," as far as we can tell.
And people are saying "wow" at your post because you're basically lumping people into the broadest groups possible, and then generalizing their whole life experience. Maybe he/she has a transgender brother or sister? You can't find out someone's gender and then pretend you know their life story, their opinions, or their general level of empathy. It's not a helpful tactic to generalize to that degree.
People don't need "authority" to be able to speak their mind. Everyone has equally valid rights to speak here, regardless of their gender.
On the internet sure. But to claim everybody or the majority of us is homophobic/hateful because of the vocal trash that is in every community is another thing.
A Link to the Past
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That's not the point though. The user stated that she shouldn't care that she was called an it.
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