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[A Link to the Past]

shampoowarrior! How's it going. I'm good. First off, she has sympathy because she received a harsher response for having called him out on what she purported him to have said than for having lied. So no, I never said that it was "purely for being transgender". What she got hatemail for was the fact that she was a transgender person who was extremely visible on a lot of popular websites. Before people knew that she was fabricating the story, people were exclaiming how much she was a freak and how they wanted to kill her. At the stage when the questionability of the social media outpouring began, the hate mail was already flowing. Don't act as though the hate mail was something that came about that she deserved. It wasn't. The hate mail existed for her nature. Any of those Twitter accounts that you found - you put those in the spotlight, and they will get quite a lot of hate mail. It's not the first time this has happened and it certainly won't be the last.

BruiserBear! Sup. Unfortunately, her culpability in creating this bad situation is irrelevant to the matter of the hate mail. The hate mail would have occurred no matter how legitimate her claim was. Honestly, the comedian could have been explicitly transphobic, and no matter what, she would have gotten the exact same hate mail. The hate mail isn't being sent because she lied, it's being sent because she put herself in the public eye.

 

[erawsd]

I understand why she was targeted.
And it is a shitty part of the world that we live in, but it has nothing to do with Kotaku, Microsoft, the comedian or anyone else but herself for not stepping back and taking a breath before running to the keyboard.
As a TG journalist, in the world that we live in this can not be the first time, nor would it be the last time.
Female journalists broke this ground and dealt with this long ago and dealt with hate and derision, the first black journalists had it even worse and went through life threatening situations to get their stories in a country that hated them. (Yes I know a bit dramatic for an online gaming journalist but still..)
These are words on the internet.
It sucks, but if you are going to be a journalist, if you dare call yourself a journalist you are going to say things that people do not like and then people will lash out.
If you are going to go into that starting off as a minority? You should be ready for that. You HAVE to be ready for that, unless you are going to hide in one little corner of the internet.
If you are not then do not do it.

I completely agree with this. I think that she has a responsibility to herself and everyone else to be able to vet these experiences for what they are so that these types of situations where innocent people are drawn and attacked, do not happen.

 

[remnant]

Now I really want to see proof of these death threats she received. Why does she so desperately want this attention.

 

[Pezking]

Why do people keep arguing this. He did not deserve the hate mail he got, but at least the hate mail was for something that people thought he DID. Your argument would be FANTASTIC if she was receiving hate mail for lying, AFTER she was confirmed to have done so. She didn't. She received hate mail for accusing him of mis-gendering her as well as hate mail targeting her for being transgender.

There is no "right" or "less wrong" sort of hate mail.

Someone who writes that stuff always targets the weakest points of the recipient, because he wants to hurt his victim as bad as possible. There is no other rationality behind it. In the case of the presenter, that point was his poor choice of words. And the obvious achilles heel of the journalist was her being transgender and her insecurity about the public acceptance of herself. So these idiots targeted these two points.

Every single hate mail sent out to these two persons is disgusting. And you can't really tell which one is worse than another.

 

[Geedorah]

There is no "right" or "less wrong" sort of hate mail.
...
Every single hate mail sent out to these two persons is disgusting.

This is why I see absolutely no value whatsoever in debating the topic of hatemail, and much rather focus on the ramifications for lying and attempting to destroy someone's career out of misrepresented victimization.

 

[Japanmanx3]

The balance of what? Sympathy? The guilty is more sympathetic than the innocent because she purposefully stirred up the internet and it backfired on her?

What I don't get is how you can say that she got hate mail purely because of who she was when I can find any number of public members of the trans community on Twitter that are not being inundated by hate mail. It seems the hate mail, as vile as it may have been, whatever it said, was a response more to the questionable public spectacle she made than to her identity. Her identity was ammunition against her obviously, but not what sparked the flame.

What I find crass about this situation is the attempt to turn this whole thing around as to why trans people don't speak out. As if what she did was legitimately try and speak out instead of "publically shaming anyone that made her feel like shit" because she was "tired of being professional." I'm certain that if she had gotten a lawyer and/or contacted a reputable new source, this could have been cleared up niceley without anywhere near the level of vitriol. Of course, her story would have had to be true to run that course.

Hopping in on thus point to say that this is the most sound, logically concise point I've seen on the matter...

Bowing out again...

 

[A Link to the Past]

There is no "right" or "less wrong" sort of hate mail.

Someone who writes that stuff always targets the weakest points of the recipient, because he wants to hurt his victim as bad as possible. There is no other rationality behind it. In the case of the presenter, that point was his poor choice of words. And the obvious achilles heel of the journalist was her being transgender and her insecurity about the public acceptance of herself. So these idiots targeted these two points.

Every single hate mail sent out to these two persons is disgusting. And you can't really tell which one is worse than another.

That's not true. What about, say, hate mail toward Enron? Not to suggest that what he purportedly did was the same, but these are clearly two different kinds of hate mail. The hate mail targeted toward the comedian was hate for something he (purportedly) said; the hate mail targeted toward her was for what she was. That is different. No matter what she did wrong, there is no excuse for that kind of hate mail.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I hope Fraser Millward doesn't lose out on work from MS because of this.

 

[BruiserBear]

BruiserBear! Sup. Unfortunately, her culpability in creating this bad situation is irrelevant to the matter of the hate mail. The hate mail would have occurred no matter how legitimate her claim was. Honestly, the comedian could have been explicitly transphobic, and no matter what, she would have gotten the exact same hate mail. The hate mail isn't being sent because she lied, it's being sent because she put herself in the public eye.

You're attempting to merge two completely different stories here. Bad people exist in the world, and they send people hate mail/tweets for various reasons. This is something we all know and have known for most of our adult lives. None of that changes the fact that this woman chose to go off the rails and greatly exaggerate events to make another person look very bad.

Now I really want to see proof of these death threats she received. Why does she so desperately want this attention.

I would assume she has some emotional issues she's dealing with, and this whole incident is just a symptom of that.

 

[pixlexic]

You know what's scarier? The fact that being transgender causes people to want to kill you

So was this guy trying to kill her ?

Just face it.. You guys jumped the gun without knowing the facts.

If this was a real trial and you were the jury an innocent man would have been condemned.

 

[danthefan]

Somewhat topical but I heard a debate on the radio between two gay men yesterday about a shop that sold wedding materials, the owner of the shop wouldn't sell materials that promoted same-sex marriage.

One of the men went out of his way to be offended by this, and the other basically said none of his rights were infringed, the shop can sell whatever they want, and he didn't have time to go around being offended by every little thing. I thought the latter was correct.

This woman who made the claims on twitter seems have completely fabricated them for the most part, which is just completely wrong. I think too often these days people look for things to be offended by.

 

[CaseyTappy]

You know what's scarier? The fact that being transgender causes people to want to kill you

Scarier than what, an wrongly accused comedian that people want to kill over lies ?

How do we measure this ?

 

[Pezking]

That's not true. What about, say, hate mail toward Enron? Not to suggest that what he purportedly did was the same, but these are clearly two different kinds of hate mail. The hate mail targeted toward the comedian was hate for something he (purportedly) said; the hate mail targeted toward her was for what she was. That is different. No matter what she did wrong, there is no excuse for that kind of hate mail.

I don't agree. There's no excuse for any kind of hate mail. It's always childish, spiteful and unconstructive.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Scarier than what, an wrongly accused comedian that people want to kill over lies ?

How do we measure this ?

It's odd - where I accurately portrayed the situation as her receiving hate mail for being transgender before any confirmations of her lying came out, you claimed that the hate mail he received was from people who knew that she lied. Which would suggest that the hate mail was simply to attack him as a person, not for anything they thought he said or did.

agenda much bro

 

[Naminator]

Are you seriously trying to justify this hate mail because "oh, 50 years ago this same hate mail existed!" The past doesn't justify the present. While it is true that being a minority journalist, especially a transgender journalist, is a hard job, it does not mean that the hate mail is acceptable. It means that it's normal. Being normal and being okay are two different things. This normal thing is absolutely a terrible thing and as such needs to be addressed, and is most certainly a bigger problem than a poor assumption leading to hate mail.

How the hell did you manage to get THAT out of what he wrote?

Sorry but it's beyond obvious that you have an agenda to stir away the conversation in order to hide her wrong doings. Because it seems like no matter what anyone says you always try to bring it back to "BUT she received hate mail" how many times do people need to tell you that it's the Internet and this happens all the time for much less egregious shit? NO I am not trying to justify the hate mail since I know you'd probably ask that once again! I'm merely pointing out the reality of the matter, and no amount of outrage and belly aching about is going to change it, so unless you have some concrete plan to stop all hate mail on the Internet I suggest you stop using it as some sort of silver bullet to end all arguments.

And just for the record, the reason why most people don't hang on to the whole Internet abuse thing too much is BECAUSE it happens so often, and not just to minorities, but to anyone who has some degree of popularity or exposure and a different opinion. Shit I just saw a video on YT not a while a go where a guy said he will get an Xbone right after he gets the PS4 and it's fucking pandemonium in the comment section with tons of people disliking the video, so again, the point is that it does take much at all to get lots of hate.

But on the other hand, purposefully lying in order get some internet mob justice, and ruin someones carrier and then lying AGAIN to cover your ass and play the victim after you found out to be a liar, NOW THAT is what people will focus on much more, because it's not as common, and there is absolutely NO justification for this, none of that "she maybe misheard him" bullshit that you and others are trying to peddle, no justification what so ever! So stop trying to continue with this "shes a poor victim" reunite, because she is not a victim here, she is the culprit!

On the topic at hand, I'm glad that this is over and that the two parties have come to an agreement, although I don't agree that he should have apologized considering her disgusting actions, but I understand why he had to do it.

 

[pixlexic]

It's odd - where I accurately portrayed the situation as her receiving hate mail for being transgender before any confirmations of her lying came out, you claimed that the hate mail he received was from people who knew that she lied. Which would suggest that the hate mail was simply to attack him as a person, not for anything they thought he said or did.

agenda much bro

You are the one with the agenda.

You want to white knight someone because of what they are .. Not who they are or what really happened.

 

[MesserWolf]

So it was a big over reaction in the end.... Quod Erat demonstrandum.

Lynching mob going home....

This Is why you want more than allegations / tweets before taking sides or considering somebody guilty.

 

[CaseyTappy]

It's odd - where I accurately portrayed the situation as her receiving hate mail for being transgender before any confirmations of her lying came out, you claimed that the hate mail he received was from people who knew that she lied. Which would suggest that the hate mail was simply to attack him as a person, not for anything they thought he said or did.

agenda much bro

Really , you sure that is me or are you wrongly accusing me .
Show me !

 

[CambriaRising]

It's odd - where I accurately portrayed the situation as her receiving hate mail for being transgender before any confirmations of her lying came out, you claimed that the hate mail he received was from people who knew that she lied. Which would suggest that the hate mail was simply to attack him as a person, not for anything they thought he said or did.

agenda much bro

You have the most posts of anyone else in the last 3 pages and are trying to distract from what happened, but this other person has an agenda?

They're on her twitter, feel free to open that Pandora's box, the attention is something she's actively avoided since the original tweets went out, she didn't want the Kotaku article going up, she tried to clarify the situation in the Huffington post blog and is now trying to put this thing to bed with a joint statement.

If I lied and got caught, I might want to put the issue to bed as quickly as possible as well. Doesn't mean that the original intent wasn't to garner attention.

 

[erawsd]

This is why I see absolutely no value whatsoever in debating the topic of hatemail, and much rather focus on the ramifications for lying and attempting to destroy someone's career out of misrepresented victimization.

Yeah, its a horrible thing but its pretty much "a fact of public life" -- it exists and theres not much that can be done about it. Even before the internet people were getting that stuff in their mailbox or left on an answering machine. Hell, actors get death threats based on things their characters do -- some people are just crazy. I'm not justifying or condoning it, I'm just saying that when you put yourself in the public eye its something you just have to deal with.

 

[BanGy.nz]

Now I really want to see proof of these death threats she received. Why does she so desperately want this attention.

They're on her twitter, the attention is something she's actively avoided since the original tweets went out, she didn't want the Kotaku article going up, she tried to clarify the situation in the Huffington post blog and is now trying to put this thing to bed with a joint statement.

 

[Emerson]

You know what's scarier? The fact that being transgender causes people to want to kill you

My concern personally with this kind of thing is that I've never seen these death or rape threats. I am certainly not saying they don't exist in some number, but whenever there's a story like this it's always, "I've been inundated by death and rape threats," which I frankly find hard to believe.

Of course in this case we know the journalist is a liar, so who knows. In general though, I suspect the distinction comes down to what a threat actually is.

"die bitch"
"I'm going to find and kill you"

Are both of these statements death threats? I personally wouldn't count the first as one. No doubt upsetting to receive, and wrong to send, but would that hold up criminally as a death threat? I think not (but I could be wrong).

Anybody else who can shed some light?

 

[jonno394]

They're on her twitter, feel free to open that Pandora's box, the attention is something she's actively avoided since the original tweets went out, she didn't want the Kotaku article going up, she tried to clarify the situation in the Huffington post blog and is now trying to put this thing to bed with a joint statement.

She drew all the attention upon herself in the first place by doing it all in the public domain. Do I feel sorry for her having receieved death threats and abuse? Yes. DId she bring it on herself by posting it all on a social media platform well known for abuse, trolling, anonymity etc as well as the fact she exaggerated things? In my opinion, yes.

edit - Just read the HP blog post, nowhere does she mention she attributed terms to the presenter that he never actually used.

 

[A Link to the Past]

You have the most posts of anyone else in the last 3 pages and are trying to distract from what happened, but this other person has an agenda?

Distract? Are you kidding me? Are you honestly such a child that you would assess the situation as solely being one of "woman lies about comedian's words and therefore is bad" (and believe you me, she is a bad guy in this situation)? From what I can see the common thread in this thread is to dismiss the hate mail. It's either ignoring that it happened or arguing that hate mail was sent to him as well - but not for the same reason. For you to act as though her being attacked for being transgender - not for lying - is not an important aspect in an age where this happens whenever a transgender person enters the public eye in the gaming industry is sheer ignorance. No matter how bad she was in her actions - and again, she was bad - it doesn't excuse or wipe away the hate mail that you so earnestly want to pretend never existed in the first place.

 

[Dabanton]

This is why I see absolutely no value whatsoever in debating the topic of hatemail, and much rather focus on the ramifications for lying and attempting to destroy someone's career out of misrepresented victimization.

That's my issue here.

Laura at the point of those tweets wanted Fraser to be 'named and shamed'. And with that his working life would have been affected. I find that incredibly spiteful and scary.

 

[LordJim]

They're on her twitter, the attention is something she's actively avoided since the original tweets went out, she didn't want the Kotaku article going up, she tried to clarify the situation in the Huffington post blog and is now trying to put this thing to bed with a joint statement.

Some of the more prominent ones belong to people like 'Jimmyrussles' and 'SmegmaKing' whose profile and history of posts show tendency to send similar messages to a wealth of 'targets' for a variety of reasons.
Some people live for that kind of thing, sadly

 

[Tesseract]

the redundant ad hominems are getting old fast.

 

[A Link to the Past]

She drew all the attention upon herself in the first place by doing it all in the public domain. Do I feel sorry for her having receieved death threats and abuse? Yes. DId she bring it on herself by posting it all on a social media platform well known for abuse, trolling etc as well as the fact she exaggerated things? In my opinion, yes.

The threats predate any suggestion that she lied about or exaggerated the situation therefore making those elements irrelevant in determining how much liability she had in receiving that hate mail. At the time the hate mail came in, all she had done was out a comedian into the public eye for what she felt was (or fabricated to be) mis-gendering. That does not make it okay to threaten peoples' lives. People don't deserve to be harassed for posting something of this nature on a social media platform.

 

[CaseyTappy]

It's odd - where I accurately portrayed the situation as her receiving hate mail for being transgender before any confirmations of her lying came out, you claimed that the hate mail he received was from people who knew that she lied. Which would suggest that the hate mail was simply to attack him as a person, not for anything they thought he said or did.

agenda much bro

No agenda .
Are you going to show me where I said this or not ?

 

[Neuromancer]

I wonder if she was so overwhelmed by the circumstances (that she misinterpreted) that she thought she heard Fraser referring to her as 'him' and 'thing'. I don't know why she would have lied outright about that, especially since she was sure to be found out as there were many others there.

This was a very unfortunate situation for all parties involved but at least there was some resolution and Fraser can move past it without suffering too much damage hopefully.

 

[remnant]

They're on her twitter, the attention is something she's actively avoided since the original tweets went out, she didn't want the Kotaku article going up, she tried to clarify the situation in the Huffington post blog and is now trying to put this thing to bed with a joint statement.

She actively avoided it? She literally riled people up and tried to get a mob of her fans to ruin someone's career. She didn't try to avoid shit.

 

[jonno394]

The threats predate any suggestion that she lied about or exaggerated the situation therefore making those elements irrelevant in determining how much liability she had in receiving that hate mail. At the time the hate mail came in, all she had done was out a comedian into the public eye for what she felt was (or fabricated to be) mis-gendering. That does not make it okay to threaten peoples' lives. People don't deserve to be harassed for posting something of this nature on a social media platform.

There will always be anonymous trolls on Social Media platforms, if you post something publicly you will get a backlash, especially something of a sensitive nature like this, some people will comment just for the hell of it and to upset people.

Twitter and other social media platforms are havens for this sort of anti-social behavior, its one of the reasons why I no longer air my private life on a social media platform, I have a presence but rarely use them.

 

[BanGy.nz]

She actively avoided it. She literally riled people up and tried to get a mob of her fans to ruin someone's career. She didn't try to avoid shit.

Read the rest of that sentence.

Edit//
I'm done, it's 2am and I've got work in 5 hours.

 

[Kikujiro]

BruiserBear! Sup. Unfortunately, her culpability in creating this bad situation is irrelevant to the matter of the hate mail. The hate mail would have occurred no matter how legitimate her claim was. Honestly, the comedian could have been explicitly transphobic, and no matter what, she would have gotten the exact same hate mail. The hate mail isn't being sent because she lied, it's being sent because she put herself in the public eye.

This thread is about a journalist accusing someone of something he didn't do. The fact that she lied to public shame someone is absolutely relevant to the consequences she is facing, at the same time the comedian received hate mails because of her lies (she basically bullied him).

The scary thing is the people willing to defend someone considered part of a minority despite the lies, you're treating them like they are different than the rest of us. No, they are the same and when they do something stupid they deserve criticism. You're purposely ignoring the context of the story, which is what this topic is about, and just going on a generic defending parade about how she is victim of the internet lynch mob, the same mob she herself called to public shame the comedian. Ironic to say the least.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

It sounds like she is just looking for attention. She lied, got called out on it and then complained that because of this she received death threats and ridicule from people. Are any of these comments online? I'm not very inclined to believe her. She is just trying to get sympathy after it came to light that she is a liar.

 

[CambriaRising]

Distract? Are you kidding me? Are you honestly such a child that you would assess the situation as solely being one of "woman lies about comedian's words and therefore is bad" (and believe you me, she is a bad guy in this situation)? From what I can see the common thread in this thread is to dismiss the hate mail. It's either ignoring that it happened or arguing that hate mail was sent to him as well - but not for the same reason. For you to act as though her being attacked for being transgender - not for lying - is not an important aspect in an age where this happens whenever a transgender person enters the public eye in the gaming industry is sheer ignorance. No matter how bad she was in her actions - and again, she was bad - it doesn't excuse or wipe away the hate mail that you so earnestly want to pretend never existed in the first place.

Ad hominem? That's pretty ironic considering the conversation we are having. Thanks I guess.

I never once "earnestly want[ed] to pretend [hate mail] never existed" in any of my posts. I just think that it is ancillary to the discussion at this point and you are clearly trying to distract from the fact that this person lied and is ultimately damaging the transgender movement with her actions. She knew that there would be a public dogpile and that hate mail would be slung at the comedian. That's the reason she "named and shamed" him so publicly.

 

[flkraven]

Yesterday I ordered a six piece nugget meal from McDonalds. I had a chat with the guy taking my order, and he asked if I was part Italian. In fact, I am part Hispanic. I was furious.

I know his name, so I am going to post on twitter and say that he called me a 'greasy wop', and when he found out I was half Venezuelan he called me a 'dirty spic'. I will urge people to shame him, and I hope this gets him fired and that he never gets employment again. Serves him right. If you want to congratulate me, watch out for my cell number which I will post on twitter so you can all shoot me a text. Down with bigots!

Am I doing it right?

 

[A Link to the Past]

This thread is about a journalist accusing someone of something he didn't do. The fact that she lied to public shame someone is absolutely relevant to the consequences she is facing, at the same time the comedian received hate mails because of her lies (she basically bullied him).

The scary thing is the people willing to defend someone considered part of a minority despite the lies, you're treating them like they are different than the rest of us. No, they are the same and when they do something stupid they deserve criticism. You're purposely ignoring the context of the story, which is what this topic is about, and just going on a generic defending parade about how she is victim of the internet lynch mob, the same mob she herself called to public shame the comedian. Ironic to say the least.

Legitimately stupid ^

I've never defended her or condoned her actions. Not once. Don't be a fucking idiot and actually read more than you are willing to. The only thing - and I say only in the most literal fucking sense - I have ever defended her for was being attacked BEFORE ANY OF THE LIES WERE DISCOVERED. You're basically saying that being transgender on the Internet means you deserve to be threatened and harassed and abused. It doesn't fucking matter that she lied because the lies aren't why she received such negative attention. The spark that caused this was a group of people who decided to harass her solely for being transgender. For you to suggest that this is okay in any way or the result of her bad actions is bullshit because what she said was not what got her such negative attention. She could have been the most honest fucking person and she would have received the EXACT same shit. What she suffered was not consequences. What she suffered was transphobia. Adam Orth wasn't attacked for being straight, or white, or male, he was attacked for being an asshole. People weren't attacking her for being a liar. Learn the fucking difference in this shit.

 

[SmokyDave]

Link, it's probably time to step away from the keyboard for a little bit.

That's not a judgement on the strengths or weaknesses of your arguments, just a bit of friendly advice.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Ad hominem? That's pretty ironic considering the conversation we are having. Thanks I guess.

I never once "earnestly want[ed] to pretend [hate mail] never existed" in any of my posts. I just think that it is ancillary to the discussion at this point and you are clearly trying to distract from the fact that this person lied and is ultimately damaging the transgender movement with her actions. She knew that there would be a public dogpile and that hate mail would be slung at the comedian. That's the reason she "named and shamed" him so publicly.

Right. I guess the only way to prove you wrong is to make transphobic statements, focus exclusively on how much of a monster she is, and never mention the fact that this is another example of people attacking someone solely - and I do mean solely - for being a transgender person in the spotlight.

I honestly don't give two shits what you think I'm doing. All I will know is that for me, worse than a person hurting another person's career is that it created another outburst of death threats and hate speech against transgender people and that it's another example of the fact that the situation w/ transgender people in gaming isn't improving. For you to be so dismissive of that as a valuable element to take from this unfortunate situation is demonstrative of how little you care that the hate mail exists.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Link, it's probably time to step away from the keyboard for a little bit.

That's not a judgement on the strengths or weaknesses of your arguments, just a bit of friendly advice.

You're probably right, and I admit that I'm getting pretty heated. It's just that it's getting frustrating to see the defense of this hate mail in any way and on top of that, for someone to call any attempt to address it as a serious point in this discussion an intentional distraction from the main point is not only ridiculous, but patently untrue considering I've never addressed her in a positive light re: this situation and have only addressed the problem that even if she was telling the truth, she would have gotten the same hate mail.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Yesterday I ordered a six piece nugget meal from McDonalds. I had a chat with the guy taking my order, and he asked if I was part Italian. In fact, I am part Hispanic. I was furious.

I know his name, so I am going to post on twitter and say that he called me a 'greasy wop', and when he found out I was half Venezuelan he called me a 'dirty spic'. I will urge people to shame him, and I hope this gets him fired and that he never gets employment again. Serves him right. If you want to congratulate me, watch out for my cell number which I will post on twitter so you can all shoot me a text. Down with bigots!

Am I doing it right?

We'll find out if your number of Twitter followers more than triples in a week.

 

[Geedorah]

You're probably right, and I admit that I'm getting pretty heated. It's just that it's getting frustrating to see the defense of this hate mail in any way and on top of that, for someone to call any attempt to address it as a serious point in this discussion an intentional distraction from the main point is not only ridiculous, but patently untrue considering I've never addressed her in a positive light re: this situation and have only addressed the problem that even if she was telling the truth, she would have gotten the same hate mail.

Can't see the forest from the trees. Hate mail topic should have nothing to do with this discussion. If there was another topic talking about the struggles and hardships of minorities writ-large, sure jump up on that platform and shout it proud. But what you are doing here, in my opinion, is attempting to divert. Whatever your reason, it isn't clear why, but that is what is going on - the topic is about Laura's direct comment/accusation and the fallout on Frasier's career and I feel it would be beneficial to stay centered on that.

 

[JacksUsername]

Yeah, pretty much the outcome I expected when we had more details:

I can already see the twitter posts from both of them saying "After talking with Fraser/Laura, we cleared a lot of things up and understand how we both might have gone overboard. Going forward, we'll try to appreciate looking at things from both perspectives, etc. etc."

The sad part is that I don't think she intentionally lied or started this for attention. When you're persecuted or ridiculed for a long time, its not uncommon to read into things too much, or interpret things the wrong way because that's just what you expect after a while.

What's inexcusable, however, was how she handled the situation. Those initial posts on Twitter read like something from an angry high school student. She is supposed to be a professional, mature adult, and should be expected to handle things as such. The irresponsibility of calling out people by name without making any further attempts to reach out to the involved parties resulted in a lot of bad press for her and the comedian, who, for all intents and purposes, didn't really do anything malicious. Since the comedian has a working relationship with Microsoft (he also did some marketing events for Forza 4), I don't think he'll pursue it further, but if she did this to the wrong person, she would be facing libel or slander charges and have a destroyed career. I just wish people would learn to use their heads and stop acting like children on outlets like Twitter.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Can't see the forest from the trees. Hate mail topic should have nothing to do with this discussion. If there was another topic talking about the struggles and hardships of minorities writ-large, sure jump up on that platform and shout it proud. But what you are doing here, in my opinion, is attempting to divert. Whatever your reason, it isn't clear why, but that is what is going on - the topic is about Laura's direct comment/accusation and the fallout on Frasier's career and I feel it would be beneficial to stay centered on that.

The point of her receiving vicious hate mail is something that the TC addresses in the original post. I guess the TC can only define their own thread so much before Geedorah gets to declare that the thread no longer exists for the purpose established. The thread is about the accusations and anything that resulted from them. That would include the unjustified hate mail. In fact, it would seem that you are trying to pick and choose what is acceptable. This thread's base is that Frasier apparently said something unacceptable, and Laura made accusations on Twitter about it. At what point does the hate mail not qualify when the damage to his career does? The thread isn't about the damage to his career, it's about her accusations of his actions and everything that came from it. The hate mail definitively came from it.

 

[eival]

the lead writer/video reviewer, and thus face of Gamespot, since reviews are the most popular traffic any game site gets, is transgender.

how bout reach out and ask for support from one of the most visible and known person the video game industry, rather than tweeting.

 

[flatearthpandas]

...so unless you have some concrete plan to stop all hate mail on the Internet I suggest you stop using it as some sort of silver bullet to end all arguments.

Wanted to call this out.
I don't think anyone has argued that hate mail is good. Hate mail is bad.

I think many people agree that anyone who causes a public scene will get hate mail. Many also lack sympathy for people who bring hate mail upon themselves through malicious and/or unprofessional actions. I think these people would also agree that it's sad her minority status gave mean people easy ammunition to use against her in the hate mail they sent.

What else is there to say? Both parties received hate mail, one likely moreso than the other, as a direct result of her choice to take to Twitter to lie and shame him.

What does constantly bringing it up prove? What's the solution? What's the desired end result of the discussion? That we all forgive and excuse her?

 

[Alison]

More like hate male, am I right

 

[Hex]

More like hate male, am I right

 

[sophora]

It honestly seems like this would of been better if it wasn't handled in the limelight of twitter and more behind the scenes. I get what she did is wrong. Just feels like another reminder that transgender people like me aren't welcome to be around and that it's better to just keep it to myself.